Israel hits symbols of Hamas rule; scores killed

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  • Californian#1@94131 San Francisco, CA
    July 30, 2014 3:40 p.m.

    Incredibly, my last comment was denied. I quoted the American general William Tecumseh Sherman's description of war, in which he used a word that appears often in Deseret News articles and scores of times in the Holy Bible. Apologies for what the ROE here define as "obscenities and vulgarities" - and for the greatly diminished meaning of my revised comment.

    War is an awful, dreadful thing that people do to each other. It is especially appalling when innocent civilians are dragged into it. And it is most terrible of all when your own leaders, the people you are supposed to trust to protect you, use you and your children, your hospitals, schools, homes, even places of worship, as shields to commit acts of terrorism on civilians of another nation.

    The taking of Israeli lives and the destruction of Israel matter more to Hamas than the lives of innocent Palestinian children, who are only pawns. The tragic loss of innocent Palestinian children's lives can stop today. The power to stop it rests with Hamas.

  • Abdulameer Chicago, IL
    July 30, 2014 2:00 p.m.

    The article tells us: "The heavy strikes were a new blow to international efforts to reach a sustainable truce in the fighting, now in its fourth week." All of those folks striving for a "sustainable truce" are on a fool's errand. There can be no such thing. The two sides have mutually exclusive goals: Hamas wants the Jews dead, and the Israelis want to live. How do you reach a "sustainable truce" with people who are determined to kill you?

    It takes two to make peace, but only one to prevent peace. The Moslems are that one. The Moslem god, Allah, in the Koran, and the Moslem prophet, Muhammad, in his sacred sayings, command Moslems to make war on the Jews and either kill them or subjugate to them to Islamic rule. The very existence of Israel stands as a rebuke to Islam itself. Therefore, no Moslem can make peace with Israel without violating the sacred commands of his god and his prophet. That is why the conflict is intractable. It takes two to make peace, but only one to prevent peace.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    July 30, 2014 8:42 a.m.

    @everyone on this site.

    Hamas violates international law. But so does Israel. As we finance Israel and not Hamas, that means, Israel are our terrorists. Besides, Israel does the same. Several years ago when they attacked Lebanon Israel put a rocket battery next to an Israeli Arab school.

    Israel is not the innocent party here. Hamas and the Palestinian authority formed a unity government and Israel responded by arresting 200 Hamas members in the West Bank. So, of course, Hamas responded. They are trying to get their guys out of jail.

    In addition, Israel has imposed a blockade on Gaza which in itself is an act of war. Yes, Israel is heavily armed and Gaza is not. But Gaza is not going to roll over and play dead just because Israel wants them too. One Israeli general said that their purpose is to get the Palestinians to realize they've been defeated.

    As long as they keep fighting the 1948 war to get their land back (which is what they are doing) they are not defeated.

  • Eliyahu Pleasant Grove, UT
    July 30, 2014 8:06 a.m.

    " You can count on Democrats (rather, progressives) to agree with Hamas, Fatah, and other terrorists."

    You can also count on some right-winger to use every opportunity to excoriate Democrats with stereotypes, tarring everyone with the same brush. The reality is that this Democrat, as well as all the other Democrats of my acquaintance, strongly supports Israel and condemns Hamas for their terrorist acts against Jews. When the Arabs launch missiles from protected sites, use human shields, and intentionally target civilians, international laws of land warfare make them liable for any casualties that result from their actions. Israel would be well within their rights to hit those sites hard without the warnings and efforts they use to warn civilians and to minimize collateral damage, but they work hard just the same to prevent as many deaths and injuries as possible. Even with the war going on, they've sent in hundreds of truckloads of relief supplies to Gaza and continue to supply them with power.

  • Uncle_Fester Niskayuna, NY
    July 30, 2014 7:43 a.m.

    "Even before the shutdown, Gaza residents only had electricity for about three hours a day because fighting had damaged power lines. Most of the power lines from Israel that provided electricity for payment were previously damaged in the fighting." That's hilarious and indicative if the vacuous MSM. It's true, a Hamas rocket did take out power lines by landing in Gaza as more than 100 other of their own rockets did. Other power lines were intentionally cut by Hamas and Israel posted videos of terrorists doing" it. There is no moral equivalency to the actions of Israel and those of the PA, Hamas and the Palestinians," Israel is moral and defending itself against terrorists, the others are indiscriminate murderers. If this were coming from Canada into the U.S. Lurch, our Secretary of State, would not be telling Americans to mute the response.

  • AmPatriot Taylorsville, UT
    July 30, 2014 7:37 a.m.

    The Palestinians are allies of the Hamas so what did they expect to happen when war became a fact of life for them? Peace is an act of surrender and the allied Hamas/Palestine group is losing. If they want peace then put down their arms and take their children home and feed them. If the Gaza doesn't want peace then they will have to suffer the consequences of thier actions forcing this war.

  • Patriot, Herriman, UT
    July 29, 2014 7:46 p.m.

    If you want to end Hamas you have to cut off the head of the snakes. Destroying the cowards home's will do nothing.

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    July 29, 2014 5:48 p.m.

    Sadly, there is almost always collateral civilian deaths in almost every war. This is especially true when a group like Hamas sets up their rocket firing pads in civilian residential neighborhoods. Regardless of where they are, Israel still needs to take them out. Thankfully, they are civil enough to warn people in the effected areas before bombing them in order to minimize civilian deaths..

    All Hamas has to do is quit sending rockets indiscriminately into Israel and all of this would stop. Instead, Hamas is counting on international pressures to side with them. That is a deadly and foolish miscalculation.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    July 29, 2014 2:12 p.m.

    Sorry, I meant seige, not seize.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    July 29, 2014 1:18 p.m.

    " You can count on Democrats (rather, progressives) to agree with Hamas, Fatah, and other terrorists."

    I can count on some to paint everything as good vs evil, black or white, but there's a lot of shades of grey in there (let's ignore the 50th one...). The people of Gaza are confined to a small area (slightly larger than Salt Lake City proper but with 8x the people) and are subject to a rather debilitating conditions thanks to Israel's practical seize of the area. They have little opportunity for economic advancement, are lucky if they have power 12 hours a day, and feel oppressed by their neighbor. Not unsurprisingly they've turned to a misguided organization... a very misguided organization. However, Hamas crimes does not mean that Israel does not also commit some reprehensible actions itself. Criticizing Israeli decisions doesn't inherently mean support for Hamas or hating Israel just like criticizing Obama doesn't mean someone hates America.

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    July 29, 2014 12:44 p.m.

    Simple. If Palestine wants peace, they shouldn't let their leaders fire weapons into their heavily armed neighbors territory. What did they expect? That the Jews would just line up to die haplessly?

    Of course, the democrats here will complain about "Brutal bloodthirsty Israelis harming innocent palestinian children." You can count on Democrats (rather, progressives) to agree with Hamas, Fatah, and other terrorists.