BYU football: Cougars and expansion not on the radar at Big 12 media days

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  • kyboy West Valley City, UT
    July 26, 2014 10:53 p.m.

    And if two teams go 8 and 1? Where's your true champion?

  • Linus Bountiful, UT
    July 26, 2014 10:46 a.m.

    The future of college football may not fit BYU at all. When salary negotiations with player unions collide with the education mission of BYU, it would probably be time to follow the example of Ricks College/BYU Idaho and can the professional college football hype. As an alumna of Ricks College, I am proud of the educational progress of BYU Idaho. People enroll there for the right reasons. Competition is the hallmark of unrighteous pride. Let it go; let it go; let it go!

  • Acatman Provo, UT
    July 25, 2014 5:29 p.m.

    What a joke for BYU to even consider the Big Twelve. Their place should be in the Pac 12 where they fit geographly
    with more natural opponents. Just add one more college to the league like Air Force, San Deigo State, Fresno State,
    Bosie State ( probably would not qualify academically) or even UNLV. Really make the best sense!!!!

    Otherwise BYU should take the legal anti trust route to qualify as an Independent like Notre Dame for all the big 5 conferences. ACC & SEC feel they would possibly lose revenue by BYU not playing on Sundays even though BYU is much better than the bottom 1/2 of those conferences & on a good day they win approximately 1 out of 3 against top 25 teams. PAC 12 THEN LEGAL

    Acatman Letterman 1966

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 24, 2014 8:32 p.m.

    @ kfbob

    I know because the Big-12 has said it's not going to change because they don't want to split the money with more than 10 teams, and their current TV deal won't run out for another few years. Unless something dramatic changes, BYU isn't getting an invite anytime soon.

    BYU is only the big kid on the block in their own minds. I believe that Utah has over taken them in the past decade as evidenced by the two BCS bowls and upgrade to the PAC-12.

    I'm interested because BYU is a local team and I enjoy talking football. Utah's off-season has been relatively quiet, so here we are.... Also, I do not think a Big-12 invite is forever impossible, and I am on record as saying that I hope eventually BYU gets invited. It would be amazing for this state. However, it doesn't look like that is going to happen for a few years, and I think it would be silly for there to be weekly articles that essentially say "Nothing's changed, Big-12 still not planning expansion."

  • Ronald Uharriet SWun City, Ca.
    July 24, 2014 5:09 p.m.

    but I don’t agree with the other posters that think that too much talk and print is dedicated to keeping the focus on BYU going to the Big 12, once the Big 12 is ready for expansion.

    I do believe that the squeaking door is the door that gets the grease, while the other more quiet doors get ignored.

    Once the Big 12 agrees that they need a championship game, like all other teams in the P5 conferences, I want the fans and those in power to make decisions, to think of BYU as the only relevant choice for expansion along with what ever the 12th team might be. Please keep the issue alive. Thanks. A die hard BYU Cougar Fan.

  • ClarkeinAK Anchorage, AK
    July 24, 2014 3:36 p.m.

    BYU has done this to themselves by not winning the games they had to. Poor coaching and poor preparation have killed any chance, for now, of joining a conference. Once they change coaches and start winning against someone besides Little Sisters of the Poor, people might take notice.

    I live outside of Utah and, frankly, NO ONE CARES about the Cougars...sorry. Although they have an ESPN contact, even the ESPN honks don't take 'em seriously. Mike and Mike, Colin Cowherd, Mel Kupier all ignore them...they are simply not relevant. The most 'play' BYU has gotten from national media, in any sport, is when someone has messed up (i.e., Brandon Davies).

    Winning consistently can change things, but with the current coaching situation, that won't happen. Coaching big boy football isn't a 9 to 5 job, yet Bronco thinks it is - he didn't even use all the allotted practice time before the last bowl game. That is inexcusable!!!

  • ClarkeinAK Anchorage, AK
    July 24, 2014 3:22 p.m.

    BYU is now finding itself on the outside looking in - all hope for joining a conference is dwindling rapidly. College sports are all about the Benjamins and no one wants a lesser slice of the money pie, so there is no hope whatsoever of playing in any kind of championship game, even if Christ came back and was the quarterback.

  • J Poll Gilford, NH
    July 24, 2014 2:53 p.m.

    Be patient "Grasshopper," - "If [we] build it, [they eventually] will come", because "Necessity is the mother of invention."

  • kfbob SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 24, 2014 11:59 a.m.

    @ DUCK

    The point is that 6/10 teams in the Big 12 probably don't have anymore national appeal than BYU and certainly don't carry their weight "pro rata". Kansas has a good fan base but Kansas averages 36K per game last year...Not very good. TCU 42K, Baylor 45K, WVU 52, WVU has a decent fanbase but not many TV sets in their region. The point is that of the 65 P5 schools, BYU has probably more national appeal than 50% of them and a comparable fan base to the average. There is a lot more going on here than meets the eye. Gary Patterson dislikes BYU. Several other BIG 12 schools don't like BYU either. Perhaps a little bigotry and a issues how BYU presents themselves. As a BYU fan It appears that the system is back into the exclusion mode. BYU will probably have to get an invite from a P5 conference or disband the program...Which is probably not the worst thing as we have National quality olympic sports program, and a top 80 ranked University, with on of the top Earning rates for grads around 75-#80. Which far exceeds any other university in the region.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 24, 2014 11:36 a.m.

    I never criticize utah "fans" for reading and commenting on BYU articles, it is fun to slap them down over their hypocrisy and delusion so if they want to read and comment I'm good with it, but I do wonder why they read these articles and then complain about them? If I had to guess I would say because articles like this continue to inflame their inferiority complexes and other insecurities.

    The truth is this, despite utah now being in the pac12 very few people care, almost none in comparison to the amount that care about BYU. People would much rather read about BYU and its future than about utah's present and its dismal future. The possibilities for BYU and the speculation about those possibilities is so much more interesting than utah's bleak and downtrodden future so it brings the readers, that is why the newspapers report on it, and it brings the angst filled comments from utah "fans".

    I'm sure a masters thesis could be written on why utah "fans" read articles they then claim to be tired of reading but the truth is that inferiority complexes make people do strange things.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    July 24, 2014 10:38 a.m.

    So, let me get this clear. Your saying that BYU would be willing to give up independence and move to the Big 12 if that conference were to expand? Well, this is news! I can't believe we haven't heard about this before!

  • SEC Rules Seminole, FL
    July 24, 2014 8:35 a.m.

    It's time for BYU to put up, or shut up. Or as Charles Barkley would say..."Win or go home."

    Pivotal year for both the Utes and Cougs. The Utes have to go bowling and the Cougs just about have to run the table. Anything less for both will have consequences.

  • DuckOuttaWater SLC , UT
    July 24, 2014 8:05 a.m.

    Kfbob: Kansas and WVU have HUGE fanbases. Maybe you should check out the NYT report before saying things that just aren't even close to being true. I'll buy that BYU has a larger fanbase than TCU and Baylor (and it's probably a large gap with those two).

    I do agree that some of the teams already in P5 conferences don't have the same following as BYU and therefore probably bring in less revenue, so expecting BYU to meet a certain threshold when others don't isn't really fair. Then again, as some Utah fans have suggested, BYU may bring more baggage than their revenue could offset.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    July 24, 2014 1:52 a.m.

    I like the updates on BYU as a potential candidate for the B12...Thank you... It saves me time from having to go and check out the web for rumors and other discussions concerning BYU potentially moving away from Independence...

    If BYU is going to achieve the status they deserve I believe that it will have to happen through the courts... And I believe one day it well... It's called Anti-Trust and Title VII.

    BYU brings more Revenue, more fans, a bigger TV Market, and a better football history than 60% of the schools that are currently in the P5 conferences (including our little sisters on the hill).

    In answer to the question that most Cougar fans have when they read the comment section on BYU football articles ... The reason that the ute fans swarm BYU articles is because of their insecurities regarding their own program... There is no optimism or hope for their program in the recent past or foreseeable future and the only way that they can feel good about their program is if they can somehow make BYU's program look weaker... Unfortunately for them, their program never will better.

  • kfbob SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 23, 2014 5:36 p.m.

    @Two For Flinching

    How do you know it's not going to change? The reason that no one writes about Colorado school of the mines is that they have very few fans. BYU has a national program and an independent ESPN contract. They have over 700,000 fans, (more than twice as many as Utah and almost 4 times a many as USU). They have a winning tradition. So is BYU a big deal? I guess compared to other instate schools they are the big kid on the block. Would a Big 12 deal forever impossible? Who knows. Either way the BYU fanbase is interested in BYU articles. I'm confused why you are so interested?

  • kfbob SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 23, 2014 5:25 p.m.

    "Only if they bring more than pro rata value," Interesting quote since TCU, Kansas, and WVU and Baylor football programs could disappear tomorrow and 4 other teams could replace them and it would not make a financial difference. Does BYU draw more fans than Kansas, TCU, Baylor or OSU? In most situations they would. So why set an unrealistic standard. Could those programs get the ESPN contract that BYU has? Probably not. Their fan bases are small and generally regional. Big 10 football is all about Texas and oklahoma. they generate 50% of the revenue, and they know it. afterthought. The only way BYU is invited to the big 12 is if they thrash every B-12 school.

  • BlueNtheFace Rancho Cucamonga, CA
    July 23, 2014 5:13 p.m.

    DrUte, You, like the article, don't offer any new info. You give some misinformation along with some obvious facts. You intimate that we chose indy over something better. Did we? We have a better situation now than what we would be enjoying in the MWC. Do you debate this? Then good move, BYU.

    I'd be interested in hearing what you would have done with our resources of the national fan base, an HD TV station, and a partnership with the biggest name in sports.

    Like Bronco and Tom said, independence is a launching point. We must win and be patient in the meantime, like you said.

    Go Cougs.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    July 23, 2014 4:50 p.m.

    The Big-12 hasn't called BYU just like the Rose Bowl hasn't called Utah.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 23, 2014 4:17 p.m.

    Last season BYU had the chance to make some BIG waves with their schedule of Texas, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Virgina. They managed only one win. The Y will never catch anybodes attention until they win the big games. Little bowl games mean nothing and neither do wins over second tier teams like Houston. If you want to join the big boys you have to prove you belong. BYU is not getting the recruits they used to especially at the skill positions and the reason is exposure. Top players can go to the U and play week in and week out against the PAC 12 or they have skrink into the shadows of BYU's independent schedule. Easy choice.

  • softbear Olympia, WA
    July 23, 2014 4:08 p.m.

    Why go to the Big 12 or any other conference. We will never be in line for the national championship, we just can't recurit or keep the top talent. The "honor code" and other school restrictions are never going to change, so some of those top players will never consider BYU. When you look at the power conference players the majority are 5 stars on every winning team and we do good to get even some 4 stars much less an occassional 5. That's the simple fact. Yes we can be good but that's not good enough going up against those power conferences. So let's play some good teams, make a bowl, make some money and travel the entire country showing the BYU product. WE the fans can still have fun playing outside the Big 5 and play some of those teams.

  • kaysvillecougar KAYSVILLE, UT
    July 23, 2014 3:33 p.m.

    @ DrUte, I'm going out on a limb and going to guess that the PhD was not in grammar or spelling. You make it sound like BYU fans chose independence as a permanent status. It was the best option at the time and yes, we are living with it. I personally am loving it. My guess is that many more cougar fans are. It's overboard to keep rehashing the BYU to the BIG12 or PAC, but BYU and it's fans are not pushing this. It's the media. Go Cougs! This is going to be a great year.

  • kaysvillecougar KAYSVILLE, UT
    July 23, 2014 2:41 p.m.

    "I simply can't believe it." Day after day when BYU articles are written, U fans pitch a major fit. I thought you had "moved on."

  • Big 12 Call Yet? Ogden, UT
    July 23, 2014 1:14 p.m.

    So they haven't called yet?

    I know you told us yesterday the Big 12 hadn't called.

    And the day before.

    And the day before.

    But today they haven't either?

    Make sure to let us know if they call tomorrow.

    Go UTES

  • BYUtah Fan Herriman, UT
    July 23, 2014 11:57 a.m.

    I am not interested in the Big 12. If it happens fine. If it doesn't fine. I don't want to go to the Big-12 and be a punching bag like Utah did with the PAC-12. I want to win games, period. If BYU starts putting together 10-1 seasons, the interest will come to us. We don't need the Big-12. We don't need Utah, USU or anyone else. We need to win games. Everything else will take care of itself.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    July 23, 2014 11:14 a.m.

    @fan in orem

    "Robin, it is awesome that you were right there in those talks and can quote the people who were involved in those talks."

    I didn't have to be there in order to quote people. All I have to do is read their quotes in the newspaper. Apparently you don't.

  • fan in orem Orem, UT
    July 23, 2014 10:38 a.m.

    Robin, it is awesome that you were right there in those talks and can quote the people who were involved in those talks. You are a stud. Being in the PAC-12, the utes and their fans will go far. I hope soon.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    July 23, 2014 10:21 a.m.

    Just a reminder: It was BYU that burned the bridge with the Big 12. You guys practically had the invitation in hand, then you started getting all pushy with the demands, and the Big 12 said "fine, if you're going to be like that, then forget it." Then the Big 12's attorney famously called BYU "weird" and that was the end of it.

    Bottom line: If BYU hadn't been so arrogant, you'd be in the Big 12 today. Never kick a gift horse in the mouth.

  • DrUte Woods Cross, UT
    July 23, 2014 9:52 a.m.

    Moderator didn't like my last blog, guess I was too direct....

    How about this:

    Bowlsby and several other B12 sources have repeatedly said they do not want to split the proceeds among 12 schools versus 10...

    Mox nix whatever else is going on, B12 is not interested unless someone or something makes them move.

    Recall, however, that ByWho did not get an invite from either the P12 or B12 when they were expanding, but deliberately chose to go Indy.

    You chose it, & now the train has left the station.

    Live with it until, as some bloggers above have suggested, you have the W-L record that demands attention.

    Playing the Sisters of Charity won't get you there, tho.

    You wanted it, now live with it.

    Time to move on.

  • DuckOuttaWater SLC , UT
    July 23, 2014 9:51 a.m.

    I have to admit, as someone new to this area this just doesn't seem normal to have so many articles about what "isn't happening". Then again, it's an eye opener to how much this market caters to and cares about BYU. Interesting.

  • WestGranger West Valley City, Utah
    July 23, 2014 9:04 a.m.

    The delusion here is that just because conferences are not expanding right now that they wouldn't want BYU. Powerhouse ESPN sure prizes them.It is smart to let people know that you are not tied down to independence. BYU is far better of now with it stronger schedules and with vastly improved exposure on nation television. Some locals are an interesting breed of either pessimists or simply BUT haters.It is neither a pipe dream or local naivety to believe BYU football has a strong national program with lot of positives.

  • still_thinking Draper, UT
    July 23, 2014 8:44 a.m.

    One thing to keep in mind - BYU is not writing these articles everyday. BYU made statements indicating that they would like to be in the Big 12. Nothing wrong with that. I think it would have been silly not to. In recent memory I think they have addressed this twice...once with Mendenhall's comment to the Austin News, and once with Holmoe's comment when ASKED to talk about Mendenhall's comment. It is the Deseret News and other outlets that keep reporting on the story. Stop with the BYU keeps lobbying. It's the media. And I agree, enough with the articles. I'm a BYU fan and I don't mind rehashing the issue a little when nothing else new is going on, but everyday?

  • Utah Valley Guy Springville, UT
    July 23, 2014 8:37 a.m.

    Hard to believe all the silly, puffed-up, uninformed comments from BYU haters. Am I the only one who notices that so many more Ute fans care more so much more about BYU than almost any BYU fans care about Utah?

    So hey, Utah, most of us BYU fans are very happy that the PAC 12 took you guys. I for one, hope Utah does better in the future in that league than you've done so far. NEWS FLASH: I live in Utah, so the success of the Utes reflects positively on me to my friends in other states. So only when Utah plays BYU or Utah State do I hope Utah loses.

    So when are you Ute fans going to lose that ugly inferiority complex that seems to drive you to follow BYU-only articles and make bitter comments about BYU?

  • Frozen Chosen Savage, MN
    July 23, 2014 8:37 a.m.

    Even as a BYU fan I am getting tired of articles like this one with nothing new to say. Get back to us when you actually have some news regarding the Big 12 situation.

    However, I do find it hilarious that all these Utah fans read these "nothing to see here" articles religiously and then complain in the comments. Get a life!

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 23, 2014 8:34 a.m.

    Man, the DNews is unabashedly waiving the blue pom-pons. Their writers left 'news' behind long ago--now it's pandering, pure and simple.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    July 23, 2014 8:27 a.m.

    I wish Mendenhall would focus more on coaching and less on lobbying. If BYU would win more games against P-5 schools, its future would secure itself.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    July 23, 2014 7:32 a.m.

    Contrary to popular opinion, the world doesn't revolve around BYU.

    The Big12 isn't interested. In fact no P5 conference is interested.

    BYU should just move on and make the best of its independence.

  • WestGranger West Valley City, Utah
    July 23, 2014 7:06 a.m.

    Some things take time. BYU is most certainly on the conference's radar. BYU has a lot to offer. It's simply not yet the right time for expansion. Patience.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 23, 2014 3:25 a.m.

    How boring. Inquiring minds want to know, "Is BYU considered hard to work with and arrogant as reported?" That will tell us how open the Big 12 is to BYU joining.


    BYU tried to join the WAC, only to have Nevada and Fresno bail. Not sure how open the MWC is to BYU rejoining. But then again they let in Utah State after they tried to destroy the MWC by colluding with BYU.

  • xam Provo, UT
    July 22, 2014 11:55 p.m.

    it's a bit presumptuous to assume that BYU would be welcomed back to the MWC considering the conference has expressed sentiments similar to the SEC and ACC. Duckhunter assumes that teams like SDSU and USU have no memory of the scorched earth BYU left behind.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    July 22, 2014 10:54 p.m.

    Pac-12 Media Days is fast approaching. I can't wait to read in the Des News all the hidden messages in everything the Pac-12 doesn't say about byu. LOL!!

    Duckhunter, your speculation about tds being welcomed back to the MWC with open arms and no questions asked is just that...speculation. USU might have something to say about it. Can byu burn any more bridges?

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    July 22, 2014 10:27 p.m.

    BYU's not on the Big 12's radar? No kidding, Sherlock. The same can be said for all major conferences. They don't want BYU. Period. It's unfortunate that Dick Harmon has felt the need to stoke this delusional flame of hope.

    Though BYU talked of how great it was going independent, most of us realized it wasn't. And this obsessive man-love crush with the Big 12 has been, frankly, embarrassing.

    But this is what happens when you think you're more than what you really are.

    Reminds me of Galations 6:3, "For if a man [or in this case, BYU and a few of its eager-beaver fans] think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself."

    BYU is not the dream team every conference wants. But, they would fit well in a conference of similar good teams that have likewise been left out. And that's fine. Like Paul, you ought to say (in gratitude) "I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content."

    You chose to be independent. Nobody forced you to make that move. So be content with it.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 22, 2014 10:25 p.m.

    Is this seriously ANOTHER article about Big-12 expansion? The BIg-12 is not interested in expanding, and they don't want BYU. That hasn't changed, and it's not going to change. I don't understand why the D-News insists on re-publishing this complete non-story. Maybe next week the D-News will switch things up and publish 20 articles about how the MWC isn't interested in expanding to include the Colorado College of Mines; despite the fact that nobody else, including the MWC, is even thinking about it.

  • never break .500 Los Angeles, CA
    July 22, 2014 10:13 p.m.

    for the Ute fans that read this article, they answer their own questions….yeh, Iowa State and Texas coaching staff's both mentioned BYU was a good fit. Whether this happens now or sometime in the future or never, people like to read about it, have opinions about it, and generally like to follow teams with winning records and bowl games annually. Other teams and fans that follow less relevante teams love to read our BYU coverage too. Usually because newspapers competing in the marketplace write and write about dynamic interesting schools with WINNING records and traditions.

  • Mark321 Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 22, 2014 9:56 p.m.

    As a BYU fan, I agree. There is just way too much Big 12 talk lately. We just need to focus on the season and win.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 22, 2014 9:50 p.m.


    BYU could re-join the mwc tomorrow if they wanted to no questions asked, they would then once again dominate that conference in all sports just like they did previously. usu deserves kudo's for turning their abysmal football program into a nice little program but that is all they are and all they will ever be.

    If BYU's situation is "rough" as an independent then usu is a school with no hope for a future at all being in the very mwc BYU bailed on because of how poor the majority of the schools in it are. lol

  • runnerguy50 Virginia Beach, Va
    July 22, 2014 9:34 p.m.

    The Big 12 is not interested. Can we please stop with these articles ? Please !

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    July 22, 2014 9:32 p.m.

    I thought Dick Harmon had written the definitive piece on how nothing was happening with the Big 12 and BYU. I guess it doesn't hurt to have confirmation from our correspondent at Big 12 Media Day that there is indeed nothing happening, however.

    Will there be Live Team Coverage of nothing happening at PAC-12 media days too?

  • WhoRtheUtes??? Elko, NV
    July 22, 2014 9:20 p.m.

    I am sure that in the near future, the football landscape will change in many ways for many teams. As mentioned in this article, the costs for programs to compete is going to grow very rapidly. Most University's programs are in the red and will have to make changes to ensure the football programs continue at the expense of other sports that they currently carry. The next two years will tell a intriguing story.

  • TrueBlue=AggieBlue Logan, UT
    July 22, 2014 9:05 p.m.

    Of course BYU isn't on the Big 12's radar. Why would anyone expect anything different. The only people talking about BYU joining the Big 12 are the BYU homers who write for this paper whose job it is to keep the fans happy by downplaying how rough their situation as independents is and spinning their wishful thinking into something plausible

  • Thidder MAPLETON, UT
    July 22, 2014 9:02 p.m.

    Bronco should be fired for suggesting the Y would love to be in the Big 12. Independence is the only way for BYU. Our uniqueness sets us will ahead of all other quality football programs. Just wait, teams will line up to play the Y simply for what we have to offer.

    July 22, 2014 8:58 p.m.

    "a reversal of previous stances that BYU preferred its independent status"

    That is interesting, all I've ever read has been that BYU preferred its independent status vs. playing in the MWC but would like to be in a better conference (than the MWC).

    I've never read a single article where anyone from BYU said they would prefer to be independent over being in any of the P5 conferences. Perhaps I missed that news article?

  • Hey Baby Franklin, IN
    July 22, 2014 8:41 p.m.

    Are you sure about the Big 12 not wanting TSDS?

  • Tomahawk Red San Francisco, CA
    July 22, 2014 8:38 p.m.

    I simply can't believe it. Day after day after day of reporting the exact same story!

    Big 12 shows no interest in BYU.

    How many ways can the media spin that?