trueblue87 says:"Fine. And a woman can spend her own money on
this issue."--- Actually, health care (i.e., insurance) is a
part of an employee's compensation. As such, it is the employee's to
decide how to use it, otherwise it is like having your employer tell you how to
spend your income.@Hockey Fan;Using birth control, the
ARE taking responsibility. @Tators;Those women ARE
paying for it. They spend x hours per day working for the company. The company
provides health care as part of the compensation package to the employee. The
employee also PAYS premiums as well. The EMPLOYEE is the one who should decide
how their health care COMPENSATION is spent, not their employer.@Cletus;Does it matter how much the employee pays? THEY can say
that their portion should cover the cost of THEIR birth control if that is how
they want it spent.
@Fullypresent"Love how it is men telling women how it is going
to be." Love how the HHS mandate included nothing for men - yet women are
the victims.marxist"A woman's health care decision
should be made with her doctor, with her family, with her faith, not by her
employer with her employer's faith," Shaheen said in a Senate
speech.EXACTLY!"Yes exactly - so why do you advocate
forcing the employer to be involved at all?The left is the perpetrator
here - not the victim
@ordinaryfolks As long as the leftists wish to force a third
party to provide something for free, when that item violates the religious
beliefs of the third party, yet access to that item can easily be acquired
cheaply or via alternative methods that do not involve a third party or their
money. Then leftists will be viewed as perpetrators, not victimsIf
you forcibly involve a third party in your contraception decisions, then a third
party will be involved in your contraception decisionsWhat part of
that is so hard to understand?
Lack of compassion for life? At least the "narrow minded majority"
doesn't like killing babies. Good day.
A woman's health care decision should be made with her doctor, with her
family, with her faith, not by her employer with her employer's faith,"
Shaheen said in a Senate speech.EXACTLY!
Let people be responsible for their behavior!
@Tators"The thing pro-socialists keep forgetting to mention is that no
one is restricting their options in this case. All forms of birth-control are
just as available as before."And when a health insurance company
denies coverage for some other treatment claiming pre-existing condition (well,
before Obamacare obviously) it's just as available as before, you just
gotta pay for it that's all."What's so radical about
the idea that whoever benefits from something should pay for it? "The entire concept of health insurance is that people pay into it and then
they get benefits from it.
Love how it is men telling women how it is going to be. Yes, women can pay for
their own but it is very expensive. Doesn't make sense that if it is a
challenge to afford birth control it may be a problem to support a child? At
least 90% of women will need birth control at some point in their lifetime and
in many cases it is for other health conditions besides preventing pregnancy. I
wonder if all the people that are diabetic and their insurance helps pay their
for their insulin suddenly were told you can pay for your own what they would
do? It is interesting how anything related to sex, sexual activities, or female
related problems suddenly becomes a hot topic vs. paying for insulin, high blood
pressure medications and other things is an expectation of employees of their
employers. All of this does reflect on how schizophrenic we are in our state
about many things.
"Just another example of the obstruction of this GOP-lead House....aka the
most ineffectual House in U.S. History..."Um -- this was the
Senate, not the House.
The Supreme Court ruled that people can't be compelled to pay for their
employee's abortive contraceptives? No problem, we'll just write up a
law that...... Wait, they actually blocked it?It
shouldn't have even been a thing,it shouldn't have gone to the
Supreme Court,the Supreme Court ruling shouldn't have been as close
as it was,it shouldn't have had a law drafted to circumvent that
decision,and denial of that law shouldn't have been so narrow,but I give a genuine "Thank you" to those involved in protecting us
from the encroachment of a "secular sharia". I'm not worried about
defending my country from foreign enemies-it's the domestic ones that cause
the problems, as anticipated by Mr. Lincoln.
"The employees pay premiums for their insurance policies."Um
-- you forgot to mention that employers pay the bulk of the insurance costs with
employees paying a much smaller portion of the premium.
Funny how the libs condemned the attempt to override the SCOTUS decision on
Obamacare -- claiming it's the law of the land, while at the same time
attempting a self-righteous override of SCOTUS for the Hobby Lobby case.
Don’t ya just love the logical consistency of a lib.
Bottom line... nothing is free. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Every
so-called benefit must be paid for by someone. And that someone is you, me and
all other taxpayers.What's so radical about the idea that
whoever benefits from something should pay for it? I don't expect society
to pay for my personal items. Using contraceptives is a personal choice and is a
personal item. The user should therefore pay their own way with this one.The thing pro-socialists keep forgetting to mention is that no one is
restricting their options in this case. All forms of birth-control are just as
available as before. Basic birth-control is simply not that expensive... much
less expensive than many other things that most poorer people have and pay for
on a regular basis. It's therefore considered affordable.Other
than liberal socialists with an agenda, the only other people who will have a
problem with the GOP blocking this item are the usual low-information voters who
lack a certain amount of understanding of the real world.
It's not a blow to the smart ones FT.
@Star Bright"This business that women can't have birth control -
oh rotten republicans - is wrongBTW Hobby Lobby pays twice the minimum
wage."The 14 dollar number is their full time employees but as
everyone knows, most retail places like that have many of their workers working
part time. Those part-timers get more like 9.50 an hour. @Star
Bright" Birth control is free to women through insurance. There are a
few companies who reject the 4 types. "Others reject them all,
and the Supreme Court is choosing to not review those cases those companies win
but sending back the ones where they lose. Wheaton and the Little Sisters of the
Poor are challenging that free birth control alternative.
The subhead is misleading. Nobody would be getting "free" birth control.
The employees pay premiums for their insurance policies. It's the bosses
who are saying what the employees will and will not get for their money.
@ Spas: If you don't like it there, and don't want to go back where
you came from, you can always fine a NEW liberal haven to go to. There are
plenty, pick one: OR, WA, CA, CO, MA, VT, CT, NY, NJ......
Now that I have lived in Utah for 15 years, I have recovered from being shocked
by the narrow-mindedness of the majority in this state, but I am still amazed by
the prevalent lack of compassion for any human's situation in life that
does not mirror the average Utahn. And please, spare me the usual response of
telling me to go back to where I came from. That is so old.
Another blow to the GOP in the eyes of the female vote. Perception is reality.
And what millions of woman constantly see is old, rich, over weight, white men
dictating what they can do with their body.
Using reasoning from this string, I provide the following hypothetical
proposals: Suppose my employer provides me use of a vehicle, which I
pay part of. I ought to be able to drive a Lamborghini. Suppose my
employer provides a 401k plan that I participate in. I ought to be able to
receive a 150% match from my employer for everything I pay in. Suppose my employer pays me for a certain number of vacation days each year. I
ought to get more paid days off each year. Sorry, all of these items
are "benefits" provided to me by my employer and it is not my option to
demand what they do and do not provide. Even if they are considered part of my
compensation. (Sneaky little change of terms that helps me make it sound like I
am more entitled.) I can negotiate those items and talk till I'm blue in
the face, but they are not "rights" nor should they be. And it should
not be any of the government's business.Health care started as,
has always been, and should still be a benefit. What part of that is so hard to
@ SchneeYes, I stated "For women who do not want to have
children" because not all women want children, some as a matter of timing,
others never want a child. That is called "choice" which I support but
would not impose on women who want children.As far as that
"...[aiding] the Democrats in arguing that Republicans are going after
women." the Democrats repeatedly make that assertion regardless of facts
already.Yes, "It takes two to make a baby," and the male
part of the mating process should be equally responsible for birth control, at
their expense, not yours and mine."Not to mention you ignore
that female contraceptives have other medical uses beyond just pregnancy
prevention." Well, condoms make nifty balloons, but that does not mean we
should pay for them because they can be party decorations. Probably fewer than
one out of 10,000 women have legitimate non-contraceptive needs for birth
control pills.Republicans don't women birth control, they just
won't force people with sincere religious objections to have to pay for it.
Just like the LDS Church should not be forced to buy communion wine for poor
Catholics.Choice and responsibility are anathema to Democrats.
byronbca Birth control is free to women through insurance. There are a few
companies who reject the 4 types. There are 16 birth control pills that Hobby
Lobby is paying for.This business that women can't have birth control
- oh rotten republicans - is wrongBTW Hobby Lobby pays twice the minimum
wage.Please, please, check it out for yourself...
The young women depicted in the photograph seem to have forgotten that
controlling one's own body is a responsibility, not a right. This is not
surprising, however, considering that concepts like personal character and
personal responsibility have virtually disappeared from modern American
If I am a woman who is under the age of 50 I have to be thinking that
republicans don't really have my interests in mind.I think that
old republican men feel birth control is immoral when in reality using it until
the time is right is just being responsible and just as many married women use
it as single women.
Does Harry Reid do **anything** that isn't blatantly and/or, as in this
case, pathetically political??I have never joined either the
Democrat or Republican party precisely because of the kind of disgusting
political, election-year pandering, of which this is a perfect example.I wish I had at least **some** hope that these people would acquire even a
hint of shame for behaving like this, but I'm afraid after seeing so much
of it, especially during the last decade or so, I've actually lost all hope
of that.The worst part of it all is knowing how far we've gone
and how fast we're still going toward a disastrous point of reckoning for
our poor country.We're not only going in the wrong direction,
we're **accelerating** in the wrong direction.
As long as the employee's compensation includes health care coverage, and
as long as that employee is responsible for partial payment of that coverage,
then that employee ought to be able to get birth control provided by the
insurance.What part of that is so hard to understand?
There were women in the picture who were wearing a t-shirt that says, "My
body."How about if they were to amend that to say, "My body,
Young puppy; interesting comment, but what you neglect to mention is that the
house (controlled by the GOP) sent numerous compromise bills to the Senate
(controlled by the DEMS) during the ongoing financial crisis, and every one of
them were shot down by Harry Reid & co. so as was mentioned by another
commentor, don't blame it all on the GOP; there is more than enough blame
to go around. And as long as Pres. Obama is only going to allow the GOP to sit
at the back of the bus, there will be no possibility of compromise.
@DN Subscriber"The saddest part is that the Democrats have convinced
that "evil, women-hating" Republicans want to deny women total access to
birth control, and the media do nothing to correct the facts."They want to allow for the option of businesses to be able to deny women
access to all forms of birth control in their health insurance. Wheaton's
suing for that and the Supreme Court gave them their exemption while their suit
is going through. The Supreme Court rejected review of 3 cases where plaintiffs
suing to cover no birth control won, and sent for further review 3 cases where
similar plaintiffs lost.By the way... it's statements like
this"For women who do not want to have children"that aid the Democrats in arguing that Republicans are going after women. It
takes two to make a baby. Not to mention you ignore that female contraceptives
have other medical uses beyond just pregnancy prevention.
Thinking the Senate GOP showed good judgment on this one!. I do not agree with
all of their positions but this was the right thing to do here especially given
the SCOTUS decision.
YoungPuppy: "'Senate GOP blocks bill on _________' Fill in
blank."You forgot to leave a space where "GOP" is:
Senate ________blocks bill on _______. Both parties do a great job of blocking
the other, and complaining about the other side's unwillingness to
This is very interesting. SCOTUS has made a decision and the Dems are livid.
Angry enough to attempt to pass a bill to override SCOTUS. This will play out
very interestingly in the marriage debate, as well. Especially if (and/or when)
the tables turn.As far as women and "rights": I don’t
see how women have lost any rights with the SCOTUS decision. They can still
obtain "after the (f)act" birth control, any day, every day...just on
their own dime."'A woman's health care decision should
be made with her doctor, with her family, with her faith, not by her employer
with her employer's faith,' Shaheen said in a Senate speech." Actually, I see that as a direct endorsement that no one should be
forced to provide a benefit to anyone if they do not want to.
"A woman's health care decision should be made with her doctor, with
her family, with her faith, not by her employer with her employer's
faith," Shaheen said in a Senate speech.Fine. And a woman can
spend her own money on this issue.
"Senate GOP blocks bill on _________" Fill in blank. That sentence is
true for just about anything you fill in. The Just say no to everything party
has made the last few years the lease productive of any Congress in our history.
I agree that this is just an election year play and they don't
expect it to pass. Both sides do the same thing. I am sure that the House
republicans will again vote to completely remove funding from Obamacare. I think
that the 50th meaningless vote you get a free sandwich or something? Because of all the infighting between the GOP and the Tea Party they
can't even get bills through that their own party submits. This
is just more Washington politics that the country is tired of, they are for it
so I must be against it. It is just childish. Since when did compromise become
such a bad word? We should be able to come together and work out issues. But
some, especially in the far right, would rather see the government shut down
then see any progress.
Please show me where in the Constitution the government is empowered to spend
money, or compel anyone else to spend money for birth control.We
have lost all sense of personal responsibility for anything at all. No one is
denying women the right o have sex, buy birth control of whatever type they
like, or to forgo birth control and have as many children as they want.For women who do not want to have children, they need a 15 minute education on
what causes pregnancy. Then, they need to decide if they want to forgo such
actions or to buy some form of birth control. Go for it, ladies!But, don't demand that I pay for your lifestyle choices. Or, next you
will demand that I buy alcohol and tobacco and firearms for people who want to
enjoy the pleasures derived from those items.The saddest part is
that the Democrats have convinced that "evil, women-hating" Republicans
want to deny women total access to birth control, and the media do nothing to
correct the facts.But, Democrat claims being inconsistent with the
truth is a way of life, at least at the national level.