President Obama aims to shift border crisis political debate

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  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    July 17, 2014 4:05 p.m.

    "I'm interested in solving the problem". My suggestion = 60,000 illegals x $300 one way air fare = $18,000,000. Use the pen and the phone and save $3,700,000,000 minus 18,000,000 = $3,682,000,000. Use the savings to help put 100,000,000 Americans back to work.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    July 13, 2014 1:03 p.m.

    I used to think that some people here were just brainwashed to the point of Obama-worshiping obsession, but after reading these comments I think they might actually be conservatives trying to make liberals look bad by making unbelievable claims (like Earnest Bass on BYU articles).

    @LOU Montana, I don't think anybody's going to fall for the "Republicans don't want the immigration laws enforced" story.

    @Ken12s, Obama is the KING of the blame game. I feel sorry for whoever gets elected president in 2016; they will have to follow the worst president in history hands down.

  • jasonlivy Orem, UT
    July 13, 2014 12:22 p.m.


    Bad timing? Obama bears no responsibility? The biggest mistake was electing Obama, period! He is completely incapable of governing, leading, and managing. His lack of experience is glaringly obvious and the mess he's created is ten times that of Bush.

    You want to fix the problem? Forget this theoretical liberal, progressive agenda and come back to reality! And frankly everyone is sick of hearing that it is Bush's fault. Bush should take responsibility for the things he screwed up and there are many. But to think that Obama's scandals, gross mismanagement, lack of leadership, and on and on are Bush's fault is mindnumbingly ridiculous!

    What we need are clear thinking Americans who love this country, aren't ashamed of what we've accomplished, and who want to see us return to what the Framers of the Constitution imagined. Under Obama, this has become a lost dream. If we continue to go down the path Obama is taking us down, America will be unrecognizable. We are currently very close to that reality. This would be devastating for the rest of the world

  • jasonlivy Orem, UT
    July 13, 2014 10:42 a.m.

    Gary O-

    I have no idea a clear thinking person could defend Obama? He is proving at every bend that he is an amateur and doesn't have any clue how to lead. Do you think that all of these scandals and controversies are some right-wing conspiracy? I do think Obama thinks so. I think his handlers shield him from facts and reality. I have no doubt his mission statement is, "The ends justify the means."

    Unfortunately that resonates onto the regular folks like you. We hear about low information voters, those who want to live in an alternative universe, or who live in a theoretic world. The fact is the current president is the worst president since WWII. In fact, when Obama leaves office, which couldn't come fast enough for our countries sake, we will learn just how bad he was, and how the only thing he really cared about was his own political ambitions.

    I will leave you now to your alternative, theoretical universe...

  • ken12s North Salt Lake, UT
    July 12, 2014 8:01 a.m.

    Obama's biggest mistake was being elected president after Bush! Bush started two un-winnable wars, deregulated the financial industry leading to the great rescission of 2008, and passed a law in 2008 making it nearly impossible to quickly deport anyone from a Central American country..... No republican wants to talk about any of this stuff. They all have the mind set that if anything goes wrong you don't try to figure out what caused the problem and what do we do to fix it. We just need to find someone to blame it's basic management 101. All Obama can be blamed for is bad timing!

  • prelax Murray, UT
    July 11, 2014 7:21 p.m.

    Search the Texas papers for pictures. Some are still getting photo's even with Obama's gag order and refusal to let Congressmen, in the states affected, see first hand what's going on.

    Obama doesn't want to go to the border, because the press would follow him and take pictures. Children are in the minority of those coming here, adults are being relocated also.

    Amnesty causes more problems, and Obama is being dishonest with America.

  • chiksika Hyrum, UT
    July 11, 2014 8:51 a.m.

    Shucks The blight called the blame game has now infiltrated Utah. How productive and how stunting.

  • chiksika Hyrum, UT
    July 11, 2014 8:38 a.m.

    In one story we cringe when we see the reading scores of American children. But Obama's wizard Nancy Pelosi years ago said, "Pass it then read it". The constituents of many congressmen and women are indirectly saying they do not trust the so-called administration because of pork abuse. 4 billions$ for the border which you can bet will be spent on air. Reminds one of the current Transportation Trust Fund Act which Obama would like to sneak through right now.

    There is more than meets the eye, that is if the press doesn't hide it from us.

  • Tators Logan, UT
    July 11, 2014 7:56 a.m.


    Your sarcasm is dually noted.
    The Constitution defines what the President can and cannot do regarding his governmental powers and what effects large groups of his constituents. A press conference or nose scratching doesn't meet that definition. But misuse of Execute Orders is one of the things that does fit that definition.

    Obama has a habit of skating all over the edges of Constitutional definitions of proper power usage. That is becoming a subject of interest and debate of many law professors and teachers.

    One thing is not debatable. He has taken an oath to uphold all our laws. He is not doing that regarding the border.

    There is no question the country and world is in overall worse shape now than when Obama took office;
    Gar prices have literally doubled.
    The federal deficit has doubled.
    Average household income has dropped thousands of dollars.
    There are more war conflicts around the world.
    America no longer stands up for it's historic beliefs regarding world leadership.
    Our allies have quit counting on or believing in us.
    The NSA has taken away our personal freedoms of privacy.
    And the list goes on and on.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    July 11, 2014 7:40 a.m.

    This is Chicago Politics at its best. Invite thousands of illegal immigrants into the Country and then offer to fix the problem for "just" $4 billion dollars. Those children were told that they had permission to enter. Is that why no news reporters are allowed to question them? Is that why no Republican members of Congress are allowed to visit the camps? Is that why Obama will not schedule time to go to the border?

    His proposal stinks and that's not the only thing that stinks in Washington.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    July 11, 2014 7:02 a.m.

    In 2008, President George W. Bush signed into law the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act, which said that unaccompanied minors from countries non-contiguous with the United States (i.e., countries other than Mexico and Canada) are afforded greater legal protections. When a child shows up at the border from Mexico or Canada, for instance, a Border Patrol agent has the legal authority to decide whether that child may be eligible to stay in the country.

    Republicans backed that law, and now they are the ones who don’t want to enforce it!

    The so-called “immigration border crisis” is neither about immigration nor the border. There are two separate crises that Republicans (and a few liberals) are conflating for political reasons.

    Instead of hurling attacks and misinformation, it would be great if Republicans would actually pass—or at least allow votes—on these bills. That would be a nice start.

  • raybies Layton, UT
    July 11, 2014 6:35 a.m.

    There are two factors which contributed to this crisis.

    1. There is a legitimate humanitarian crisis in Central America (like Guatemala) which holds the highest murder rates in the world. Your likelihood of surviving to adulthood is something like one in six, and the law is enforced by roving gangs of armed thugs. Families are genuinely desperate to save their children from a fate of violent death or violent crimes.

    2. The Obama Administration directed policies of immigration and deportation courts to focus on criminal offenders and implied it would not direct deportation of children, especially those who had some relative in the country legitimately. Whether it was the intent or not, the perception among those living in violent central America is that if they can get their children to the USA we won't do anything about it.

    This was a serious snafu, as it had the unintended consequence of a mass migration of desperate parents sending their children out of harm's way. Sadly Central America only becomes more uncivilized as the best of its people flee and the violent offenders gain more territory by their surrender. Either way, we pay here or in foreign aide.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    July 11, 2014 5:33 a.m.

    This is not about President Obama this is about the Republican Congress doing nothing! Republicans welcome the flood of illegal aliens because this is their future cheap labor.

  • SAS Sandy, UT
    July 10, 2014 11:06 p.m.

    I just realized: nowhere in the Constitution is the President given the power to hold press conferences. Press conferences aren't even mentioned.

    Yet Obama keeps having them, hoping that the media will pay attention to him, and ignore his lack of true leadership.

    The Constitution also doesn't give the President the power to scratch his nose.

    Surely, our republic is hanging by a thread.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    July 10, 2014 10:29 p.m.

    You know what? You all made this mess Obama and congress by ignoring it, dragging your feet and playing politics. Everyone on here playing all the same old political cards are also nothing more then part of the problem. This is not a game this effects real people in real ways and it time to stop playing games. It is time for Obama and congress to lock themselves in a room until they figure out what our response is going to be and get it done. No more photo ops no more political grandstanding.

  • keepamericafree salt lake, UT
    July 10, 2014 9:35 p.m.

    Obama created this mess by executive order june 15, 2012

    Heres the story in the NYT dated June 15, 2012

    Hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants who came to the United States as children will be allowed to remain in the country without fear of deportation and able to work, under an executive action the Obama administration announced on Friday.

    Administration officials said the president used existing legal authority to make the broad policy change, which could temporarily benefit more than 800,000 young people. He did not consult with Congress, where Republicans have generally opposed measures to benefit illegal immigrants.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    July 10, 2014 9:25 p.m.

    O owns this mess...he created it by not enforcing the laws already on the books.......ENFORCE the law! build the wall and send the illegals home.....

    Problem solved....

    More laws are just more laws that Obama will not ENFORCE.....we have enough laws.....reunite these children with their parents back home...NOW!

  • Jimmytheliberal Salt Lake City, UT
    July 10, 2014 8:17 p.m.

    The look of the intellectuals in the room, Perry and I believe the neo-con judge says it all! Then we have the statement our President made and I quote..."I'm not interested in photo-ops. I'm interested in solving the problem". Now let's all hear the neo-con spin regarding this fact. Our President is damned if he does and damned if he does not!

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    July 10, 2014 6:44 p.m.

    Hey "Truth" and Copacetic -

    Thank you for two more fact free posts.

    Yes, I know, that stuff flies in Right Wing La La Land . . . But here in the Land of Reality, it falls flat.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    July 10, 2014 3:39 p.m.

    Bush didn't create KATRINA......But Obama did create this Crisis! He owns it and his numbers are tanking....he is not only the worst POTUS since WWII, he is worst ever!

    He has a pen and a phone? Why does he need the GOP?.....never stopped this lawless goof-ball before?

    Obama, has given up golf in this crisis, and has replaced it with playing pool and drinking beer!

    Giving him a blank check will only get he and Michelle carte blanche to take another $100 million dollar vacation!

  • Copacetic Logan, UT
    July 10, 2014 3:36 p.m.

    @ GaryO:

    Very similarly to you, Obama has rarely put anything into it's proper perspective. That's the reason his popularity in the polls is at record lows. His lack of perspective and any meaningful action is obvious even to low information voters. Why are you not yet able to see that?

    He has a bad habit of creating chaos all over the political landscape. And rather than solving anything, it's much easier to keep casting all the blame on Congress. It's little wonder he keeps being mentioned as possibly the worst president in the entire history of our country.

    Do you see how that works now?

    It's interesting that Obama has never missed an opportunity for any prior photo-op. But this time, his fingerprints are all over this crisis, so he is doing everything he can to try to distance himself from it.

    Asking $4,000,000,000 to address this issue is a ridiculously excessive amount. It comes to over $75,000 per child. Only the government could be that inefficient and wasteful. They should be able to build a huge, impenetrable fence across the entire 1200+ mile border for less than that.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    July 10, 2014 12:55 p.m.

    " President Barack Obama sought to recast the political debate over a flood of young migrants as a question of Republican willingness to tackle the problem, not his decision to skip a chance to view the crisis first-hand."

    In other words, Obama is putting things in their proper perspective.

    Whether or not Obama views "the crisis first hand" is IMMATERIAL to the crisis.

    The Republican proclivity for not doing their job IS pertinent to the Crisis, however.

    Do you see how that works now?

    Irony Guy -

    Good point. Republicans are quite often fact free when it comes to their criticisms.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    July 10, 2014 12:48 p.m.

    Irony Guy

    You really want to embarrass yourself by claiming that Obama has stiffened border controls more than any other President when this current situation is going on? Undocumented immigration is at a net zero? Any more whoppers you want to pass on. That is about as dumb as me trying to claim that Bush did not get us into two wars during his Presidency.

    BTW I'd look like I was eating a pickle too if I had to spend even a minute in the same room as Obama. Either that or I'd need an air sickness bag.

    BTW2 They count any person turned away at the border as a deportation. That's why his numbers are high there. And that is not what most believe to be real deportations.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    July 10, 2014 10:27 a.m.

    Securing border means putting immigration up for vote. In poker, it is calling bluffer.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    July 10, 2014 10:04 a.m.

    Mountanman (sic) is fact free today. Obama has stiffened border controls more than any other president. He has deported far more people than any other president. Undocumented immigration is now at net zero.

    Right wing won't do anything until the "border is secure." That means they will never do anything because they get to define the meaning of "secure." "Net zero" is as secure is as it's ever going to get!

    BTW, hilarious photo. Perry looks like he's eating a pickle.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    July 10, 2014 10:03 a.m.

    It is funny to look back at the heat Bush took at only flying over the Katrina disaster instead of actually getting his feet on the gound. Now we have Obama, not even flying over the scene on the border and saying precisly what the Bush people said about not really needing to be there to know what is going on. However, remember, Obama conviently went to New Jersey to be seen on the ground just before the election. This President and his whole administration is full of baloney.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    July 10, 2014 9:11 a.m.

    Obama is once again being totally disingenuous. He blames congress for not passing his "comprehensive immigration" but refuses to enforce existing immigration laws. We don't need more useless laws on the book, we need to enforce existing immigration laws, period! Obama created this problem by promising amnesty for anyone who is here illegally. That is why they come and will keep coming! Illegal alien equals undocumented Democrat voter!