US: Looking at all options in immigration surge

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  • Alfred Phoenix, AZ
    June 28, 2014 12:43 p.m.

    "It is double-talking 'Conservatives' who want porous borders."

    Did you not notice who announced that she's going to the border in Texas to greet the illegal immigrant children and their illegal parents? Democrat House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, that's who.

    Is she going to make sure illegals are returned to the border and sent home? Of course not. She's likely going there to give them all hugs and kisses and see that they're well taken care of with plenty of food and nice places to stay... all at the American taxpayers' expense. And she probably would like to see some of the illegals moved to her district in San Francisco where she can count on their vote. But wait, you say! Illegals can't vote. Well, the Democrats wanna make sure that a voter ID is not required to vote. This means anyone can saunter to the ballot box, claim to be someone else and cast a ballot... for Pelosi.

    So, who wants porous borders? Democrats, that's who.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    June 28, 2014 12:17 p.m.

    We see in the news that 'Obama urges Central American parents not to send children to the border.'

    Urges?? Obama, you gotta take stronger action than just urging. You gotta start sending illegals back. If you don't they'll keep coming. Give them a sack lunch, put them on a bus, and return them to the border. Let Mexico decide what to do with them. It's call border security.

    How can you consider the border secure when the border patrol seemingly welcome these illegals with open arms, taking them to the nearest motel, and providing room and board. Of course they'll keep coming.

    And if you can't see your way to enforce border security, just let them cross and find their own way. Let them buy their own bus or plane ticket to their US relatives. Why is it that the US taxpayer must foot the bill for foreigners who break our immigration laws?

    Just think of all the tax money that American taxpayers would save. You could fire the border patrol, as they won't be needed. And you don't have to pay for immigration lawyers, or burn up court time.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    June 26, 2014 9:11 a.m.

    Mainly Me -

    You are barking up the wrong tree.

    You should be following the money.

    Who benefits monetarily from a large influx of illegal but cheap foreign labor?

    That's right. It's the Capitalists who just love cheap labor.

    "Conservatives" are the greatest advocates of porous borders, although they pretend not to be.

    American workers, especially Unions, HATE having to compete with that illegal, foreign labor.

    And it is the working man and the Unions, who are some of the biggest Obama's greatest supporters.

    Obama doesn't want porous borders, and neither do his constituents.

    It is double-talking "Conservatives" who want porous borders.

    You need to look around at your Capitalist Colleagues, and put the blame squarely where it belongs.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    June 25, 2014 12:17 p.m.

    DN Subscriber

    Your points are good and valid. One thing though. Many people in America are OK with deportation of adults trying to come in illegally. That is why Obama and his minions are wanting children to lead the way to this invasion. The scene of children being forced back to the Mexican side and then a few videos of said children being killed or taken away by the evil monsters who largely run northern Mexico would be too much to live with. And that is exactly what the Mexicans would present to the world. Look at how bad those Americans are. Giving back innocent children to us to abuse and kill. Shame on the Americans. Believe it or not, that is exactly how liberals and the world in general would look at it. Americas fault, not Mexicos. That is why is is almost futile to try to stop them once they get to our southern border. This has to be stopped much closer to the source. It won't though. Not as long as we have Presidents like Bush and Obama in office.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    June 25, 2014 10:47 a.m.

    GWB/Rove made amnesty a bargaining chip for Latino votes in the 2000 campaign. It was a gross miscalculation on their part. Though it eventually won him 44% of the Latino vote in 2004 it cost the party dearly.
    Legalization programs run contrary to the GOP platform.
    Elected officials who embrace amnesty as a solution are branded as elites. These programs are foolhardy, especially at a time when unemployment is high and we cannot afford to care for our own.
    Attracting votes by using amnesty as a carrot is a no-win situation for Republicans.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 25, 2014 9:06 a.m.

    Studying the options should take about 20 seconds, so here are the results:

    1. Secure the border. Seal it. By deadly force, if necessary.
    2. Enforce our immigration laws at the border and return anyone who crosses illegally immediately to the other side of the border. From there, they are on their own.
    3. Enforce our immigration laws in the interior. Apprehend and deport any and every person here illegally. Sorry if that breaks up families, causes economic hardship, or reduces the number or Democrat voters (and doing so illegally, if they are voting, but laws don't matter after you have already broken several.)
    4. Go after anyone employing illegals, too.

    The rule of law requires our laws to be enforced. Not "studied."

    June 25, 2014 8:17 a.m.

    I don't believe we will see any real traction on immigration laws (one way or another) until at least 2017. Congress doesn't want to bring it up, the Senate already passed their bill, and the president can't do anything without congressional approval. It really becomes a matter for the states. New York has a measure in their senate that I read about this morning that sounds great, but who knows if it will pass or not. The governor of Michigan also has put forth requests regarding EB-2 visas that I think are perfectly reasonable and would be great for Michigan. Between now and 2017 (at least) the immigration fight (regardless of political side) is going to have to be fought/won/lost at the state level. I will be watching New York closely over the next few months and keeping my fingers crossed that their senate bill passes.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    June 25, 2014 7:46 a.m.

    It would be easy for a President to stop this cold. Call up the President of Mexico and tell him that if he does not stop this trafficking through his country to our border we will shut down all economic ties. No bank transfers, no trucks going north or south, ect. Weak people, especially Republicans, cry that Mexico is our biggest trading partner and we cannot do that. Nonsense. Sure a few days of lost commerce would cost a few billion dollars, but in the long run it will save hundreds of billions that will be needed to be invested to feed and house these people. You watch, Mexico would have their military closing down their southern border faster than you can say Berlin Wall. Also the President could tell the countries supplying these kids, El Salvador, Guatamala, Honduras, ect. To get control of their borders, or else, and this whole illegal migration problem would solve itself. You think Obama and most Democrats and cowardly Republicans will do anything? Don't hold your breath.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    June 25, 2014 7:26 a.m.

    Well, it's always possible to enforce the laws AGAINST businesses that employ illegal immigrants but republicans don't support those measures. I know a business owner that let all of his employees go and hired legal employees until he figured out nobody was going to enforce the law against him hiring them. He simply prefers paying under the table.

    They won't come if there's no work.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    June 25, 2014 6:50 a.m.

    Brio is right on. Obama knew this was coming and I believe planned it what would work in this case is (drum roll) enforcement of the law pure and simple.

  • techpubs Sioux City, IA
    June 25, 2014 6:19 a.m.

    Actually the current laws are quite clear that these people whether children or adults should be deported ASAP. Unfortunately this has not been fully enforced after the 86 amnesty giving the impression that if you get across the border you can ignore the laws and stay.
    The solution is simple:
    1. Repatriate all illegal crossers to their Native Country and subtract the costs of doing this from the Foreign Aid that they receive.
    2. Fine those who are employing illegals $5,000 for each illegal to reduce the cost of sending them back to their Native Country.
    If this is done aggressively for 15 years we will see an actual reduction in the problem and maybe even reduce the illegal crossings to a few thousand each year.

  • Mainly Me Werribee, 00
    June 25, 2014 4:11 a.m.

    Let's see about the "options" Obama will use.

    1. Increase the numbers of illegals coming over the border.
    2. Increase the numbers of illegals coming over the border and jam them in like sardines into a detention center.
    3. Increase the numbers of illegals coming over the border and ship them to conservative states.
    4. Increase the numbers of illegals coming over the border, ship them to conservative states and put them on welfare.
    5. Increase the numbers of illegals coming over the border, ship them to conservative states, put them on welfare, then register them to vote.

    #5 is the winner!

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    June 25, 2014 12:45 a.m.

    DHS Solicited Escort Contractors/Guides/Transporters - for 65,000 Illegal Immigrant CHILDREN in JANUARY, to get them to and across the US border, and assist dispersing them out across the US once here.

    The reason Obama's actions do not make sense is because we assume that he is working to uphold the law and remedy this problem, and the way he is going about it just does not make sense. The truth is that his administration is responsible for this influx of immigrants coming across the border. His actions are helping these people what the agenda is I don't know, maybe hoping to help push his immigration policy into law.

    over 95% of the immigrants that were flown to Boston and released, by Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, when questioned said that they came was the new law that anyone that came to the US could stay. And just who do you think may be responsible for spreading that lie?

    Obama is a likeable guy but he really does need to be impeached before he can do more damage.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    June 24, 2014 1:47 p.m.

    The real answer here is strong interior enforcement of the law.
    We need large numbers of very visible deportations. We need to streamline the appeals process and stop granting individual amnesty from BIA judges.
    Coddling and pandering got us here. That needs to stop.
    That's the only way we'll send the message, "Our borders are closed. The old days are over. The United States has turned on the 'No Vacancy' sign."

  • Copacetic Logan, UT
    June 24, 2014 10:18 a.m.

    I completely agree with Brio.
    The way this administration is dealing with this illegal immigrant problem is a disaster and making almost no one happy.
    Either Obama is just plain incompetent or else he has a personal agenda regarding immigration that he won't explain because it is contrary to the general will and well-being of the American public.

    As almost no one is being deported anymore and tens of thousands of additional illegals come here monthly, the American citizen taxpayers are being stuck with the ever growing expenses of housing, feeding, educating, doctoring and giving general welfare for this entire tier of uneducated and unskilled people, most of whom can't even speak any English. Apparently, the new South American dream is to just be taken care of by the United States.

    Obama sees this as an opportunity to ensure the Hispanic vote for democrats as this entire process continues diluting the American economy from what it once was. Lower and middle class Americans are getting poorer as more competition is brought in for the few available jobs in our struggling economy. Very bad news for most Americans, but not for Democrat politicians.

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    June 24, 2014 9:49 a.m.

    After encountering any major national problem, there is been a strong tendency and pattern in the Obama administration of saying "all available options are being studied," but then any subsequent action seldom happens. They apparently like to delay until that particular issue falls off the front page, replaced by new news without ever having chosen from any options available.

    This administration will be remembered and known for studying everything but doing almost nothing.

    What's very telling in this particular case is that Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson "outlined more than a dozen previously announced administration efforts to help with the growing problem". That proves that the administration was NOT caught off guard by this huge problem, as they recently claimed. Caught telling another prevarication.

    If the most prudent action that should be taken is not now within current laws, Congress should immediately change existing laws to deal appropriately with the situation.

    It's also very telling that Obama refuses to give information about the recent 39,000 adults with children caught at the border, but not turned back as they could've legally done. Instead, they've all been turned loose in the USA without accountability.