Sudan to release woman sentenced to death for apostasy

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  • Go2 Utah, UT
    June 25, 2014 11:36 a.m.

    How horrible that this woman was sentenced to die for marrying outside her father's faith - and this poor little 18 month old has been in prison with her! I hope she is able to leave Sudan and take her husband and children with her. -- Note that MEN can marry outside the Muslim faith but Women are sentenced to die if they do the same. This is not just about religion it's also about degradation of women.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 24, 2014 12:59 p.m.

    Now if we could get our Marine, in Mexico back.

    After all we've done for their people, this is pathetic.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    June 23, 2014 2:22 p.m.

    @Brio – “They were totally uneducated and uninformed as to other ways of living.”

    That’s a shocking statement given the fact the Church was administered from the very city which produced the world’s first and longest lasting republic.

    So you mean to suggest that when folks were burning their neighbors (not warring faction members from another tribe), they were doing this out of ignorance rather than being indoctrinated by, say, Exodus 22:18?

    I agree with the rest of your comments (except 9-11 proving your point) but you are giving a pass to Christianity that is totally unwarranted and to suggest we stopped burning witches because we became educated is putting the cart before the horse.

    Regarding the 9-11 hijackers – you seem to be missing the point of your own implications? If Muslims are not committing atrocities because of ignorance, then why are they?

    The answer of course is religious fundamentalism.

    If ignorance or even political grievance drove this behavior why didn’t Tibetan Buddhists respond to the Chinese invasion with protracted violence?

    Answer – their religion does not promote it (in contrast with the “religions of the book”).

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    June 23, 2014 1:17 p.m.

    @ Tyler:

    Dark age religious zealots didn't know there were other options to the warring factions in the societies they grew up in. To them, their world was the only world they knew of as they lived mostly in ignorance generation after generation. They were totally uneducated and uninformed as to other ways of living. There is a valid reason their time was referred to as the Dark Ages.

    But modern day religious zealots don't have that excuse. They totally know of and understand other ways of living. They are both educated and informed. They realize there are other choices, but choose barbarism anyway. Your comment about the 9/11 hijackers having degrees proves my point exactly... not yours.

    Therefore, your initial comparison of the two groups as equals doesn't carry much weight. When both groups are ultimately judged, the vast differences in their circumstances will be taken into consideration. One group lived and acted in a high degree of ignorance. The other, not nearly so much. Where more is given, more is expected.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    June 23, 2014 12:48 p.m.

    @Brio – “Islamic factions can't use ignorance for an excuse for barbarism the way most dark-age Christians could.”

    Reading your comment I was mostly thinking, “hey, you’re preaching to the choir” as I think Islam is an engine of intolerance and if any belief system will bring about an apocalypse, this is it.

    However, you’re wrong about Christianity and by implication religion in general. Christians didn’t spend 500 years burning heretics because they were ignorant (whatever that means… ignorant of what? Galileo, Newton, evolution?).

    They did it for the same reason Muslims today commit atrocities – they were deranged by religion (i.e., their sacred books command barbarism – read Exodus, Leviticus, and Deuteronomy for an abundance of examples).

    And the fact that many Muslim terrorists are educated (almost all of the nineteen 9-11 hijackers had graduate degrees) only proves the point. Education is no guarantee of becoming civilized, though it can help. It has to start with letting go of deranging belief systems (as we began doing a few hundred years ago).

  • Concinnity Richfield, UT
    June 23, 2014 12:10 p.m.

    Ranch Hand...

    This article had absolutely nothing to do with Mormons or their excommunication processes. As such, your comment was very much off-topic and somewhat disruptive in that it is probably offensive to LDS members.

    Like Shimlau, I hope part of your comment included a typo which needs to be and should've been corrected.
    Like Brio, I'm surprised your comment was approved and posted.

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    June 23, 2014 11:27 a.m.

    @ Tyler D:

    There is more than "just a few more centuries" between modern Christianity and present day Islamic state.

    The differences in the world between then and now are astounding. Almost none of the world in the dark ages was what we currently consider enlightened. Nor did most religions have the opportunity to learn of other religions. But today, we live in an information age. There is little excuse to not be informed except in very few countries such as North Korea..
    Followers of present day Islamic factions can't use ignorance for an excuse for barbarism the way most dark-age Christians could.

    So to compare Islam now with Christianity several centuries ago is comparing apples and oranges. The overall world situations are like night and day... vastly different. Therefore the current judgement tendency is not ubiquitous.

    Also, how could anything be "much worse" than the hundreds of beheadings and thousands of executions without trials done by Islamic followers in Iraq within the past few weeks?

    Perhaps you should study up more on both Christian history of a few centuries ago and also present day atrocities of Islamic factions and the justifications of each.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    June 23, 2014 10:58 a.m.

    There is a ubiquitous tendency among westerners to think we’re above such barbarism, but people forget that we were this savage (and much worse) for most of our history and state religion only made us more so.

    It was only after centuries of burning & torturing our neighbors that people began to wake up and reject the barbaric worldview prescribed in the OT in favor of the values of the Enlightenment.

    The only difference between us and them is we’ve had a few more centuries to get over our religious derangement. But given the destructive technology available today, I sure hope the Muslim world produces a Spinoza, Hume, Locke, Voltaire, Montesquieu, the American Founders, in the next couple decades, otherwise I’m not sure how we survive our religious differences long term.

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    June 23, 2014 10:57 a.m.

    @ Chris B:

    Good comments. I very much agree.
    I only wish I could concur more with most of your sports related comments, which are usually very biased.
    But your politically related comments are usually spot-on.

    @ RanchHand:

    I wish I could say something similar about your comment. But I find it disrespectful to the area's predominant religion. I'm somewhat surprised the DN comment monitors allowed it.

    Sudan and the Islamic religion seem to have a double standard. They allow their men to marry outside of the Islamic religion, but not their women. Doesn't make any justifiable sense.
    Besides, she didn't convert to Christianity. Her mother was a Christian and she was raised as one. She was a Christian who married a Christian... even though her dad was Muslim. That's not a crime... even in Sudan.
    I'm glad to see this latest court action to be more in line with common sense justice.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    June 23, 2014 9:22 a.m.

    Hey Chris B, I see you do have respect to Mormons People, very thoughtful U are. Anyway, be respectful on BYU Cougar Nation! I do have respect to U but be nice to Y, Okay!

    I am glad this lady is going to be release but she would be better to flee if she can. Scary as it is about their lifestyle of their religion. Crazy!

  • Shimlau SAINT GEORGE, UT
    June 23, 2014 8:59 a.m.

    RanchHand, I'm hoping that the first 'are' was a typo and should have been "aren't".

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 23, 2014 8:56 a.m.

    This lady would be wise to flee her religion. Oh wait, that's what she tried to do and then that religious tried to kill her for it.

    I'm thankful the Mormons are such a peaceful group and that execution is never on the table for people who leave their church.

    This "religion" would be wise to learn from the Mormons. Or one of hundreds of other religions.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 23, 2014 8:41 a.m.

    Its crazy anyone even tries to defend this "religion" these days. They need to get out of the dark ages