How horrible that this woman was sentenced to die for marrying outside her
father's faith - and this poor little 18 month old has been in prison with
her! I hope she is able to leave Sudan and take her husband and children with
her. -- Note that MEN can marry outside the Muslim faith but Women are
sentenced to die if they do the same. This is not just about religion it's
also about degradation of women.
Now if we could get our Marine, in Mexico back.After all we've
done for their people, this is pathetic.
@Brio – “They were totally uneducated and uninformed as to other
ways of living.”That’s a shocking statement given the
fact the Church was administered from the very city which produced the
world’s first and longest lasting republic.So you mean to
suggest that when folks were burning their neighbors (not warring faction
members from another tribe), they were doing this out of ignorance rather than
being indoctrinated by, say, Exodus 22:18?I agree with the rest of
your comments (except 9-11 proving your point) but you are giving a pass to
Christianity that is totally unwarranted and to suggest we stopped burning
witches because we became educated is putting the cart before the horse.Regarding the 9-11 hijackers – you seem to be missing the point of
your own implications? If Muslims are not committing atrocities because of
ignorance, then why are they?The answer of course is religious
fundamentalism.If ignorance or even political grievance drove this
behavior why didn’t Tibetan Buddhists respond to the Chinese invasion with
protracted violence? Answer – their religion does not
promote it (in contrast with the “religions of the book”).
@ Tyler:Dark age religious zealots didn't know there were other
options to the warring factions in the societies they grew up in. To them, their
world was the only world they knew of as they lived mostly in ignorance
generation after generation. They were totally uneducated and uninformed as to
other ways of living. There is a valid reason their time was referred to as the
Dark Ages.But modern day religious zealots don't have that
excuse. They totally know of and understand other ways of living. They are both
educated and informed. They realize there are other choices, but choose
barbarism anyway. Your comment about the 9/11 hijackers having degrees proves my
point exactly... not yours.Therefore, your initial comparison of the
two groups as equals doesn't carry much weight. When both groups are
ultimately judged, the vast differences in their circumstances will be taken
into consideration. One group lived and acted in a high degree of ignorance. The
other, not nearly so much. Where more is given, more is expected.
@Brio – “Islamic factions can't use ignorance for an excuse for
barbarism the way most dark-age Christians could.”Reading your
comment I was mostly thinking, “hey, you’re preaching to the
choir” as I think Islam is an engine of intolerance and if any belief
system will bring about an apocalypse, this is it.However,
you’re wrong about Christianity and by implication religion in general.
Christians didn’t spend 500 years burning heretics because they were
ignorant (whatever that means… ignorant of what? Galileo, Newton,
evolution?).They did it for the same reason Muslims today commit
atrocities – they were deranged by religion (i.e., their sacred books
command barbarism – read Exodus, Leviticus, and Deuteronomy for an
abundance of examples).And the fact that many Muslim terrorists are
educated (almost all of the nineteen 9-11 hijackers had graduate degrees) only
proves the point. Education is no guarantee of becoming civilized, though it can
help. It has to start with letting go of deranging belief systems (as we began
doing a few hundred years ago).
Ranch Hand...This article had absolutely nothing to do with Mormons
or their excommunication processes. As such, your comment was very much
off-topic and somewhat disruptive in that it is probably offensive to LDS
members. Like Shimlau, I hope part of your comment included a typo
which needs to be and should've been corrected.Like Brio, I'm
surprised your comment was approved and posted.
@ Tyler D:There is more than "just a few more centuries"
between modern Christianity and present day Islamic state. The
differences in the world between then and now are astounding. Almost none of the
world in the dark ages was what we currently consider enlightened. Nor did most
religions have the opportunity to learn of other religions. But today, we live
in an information age. There is little excuse to not be informed except in very
few countries such as North Korea.. Followers of present day Islamic
factions can't use ignorance for an excuse for barbarism the way most
dark-age Christians could. So to compare Islam now with Christianity
several centuries ago is comparing apples and oranges. The overall world
situations are like night and day... vastly different. Therefore the current
judgement tendency is not ubiquitous. Also, how could anything be
"much worse" than the hundreds of beheadings and thousands of executions
without trials done by Islamic followers in Iraq within the past few weeks?Perhaps you should study up more on both Christian history of a few
centuries ago and also present day atrocities of Islamic factions and the
justifications of each.
There is a ubiquitous tendency among westerners to think we’re above such
barbarism, but people forget that we were this savage (and much worse) for most
of our history and state religion only made us more so.It was only
after centuries of burning & torturing our neighbors that people began to
wake up and reject the barbaric worldview prescribed in the OT in favor of the
values of the Enlightenment. The only difference between us and them
is we’ve had a few more centuries to get over our religious derangement.
But given the destructive technology available today, I sure hope the Muslim
world produces a Spinoza, Hume, Locke, Voltaire, Montesquieu, the American
Founders, in the next couple decades, otherwise I’m not sure how we
survive our religious differences long term.
@ Chris B:Good comments. I very much agree. I only wish I
could concur more with most of your sports related comments, which are usually
very biased. But your politically related comments are usually spot-on.
@ RanchHand:I wish I could say something similar about
your comment. But I find it disrespectful to the area's predominant
religion. I'm somewhat surprised the DN comment monitors allowed it.Sudan and the Islamic religion seem to have a double standard. They
allow their men to marry outside of the Islamic religion, but not their women.
Doesn't make any justifiable sense. Besides, she didn't convert
to Christianity. Her mother was a Christian and she was raised as one. She was a
Christian who married a Christian... even though her dad was Muslim. That's
not a crime... even in Sudan.I'm glad to see this latest court action
to be more in line with common sense justice.
Hey Chris B, I see you do have respect to Mormons People, very thoughtful U are.
Anyway, be respectful on BYU Cougar Nation! I do have respect to U but be nice
to Y, Okay!I am glad this lady is going to be release but she would
be better to flee if she can. Scary as it is about their lifestyle of their
RanchHand, I'm hoping that the first 'are' was a typo and should
have been "aren't".
This lady would be wise to flee her religion. Oh wait, that's what she
tried to do and then that religious tried to kill her for it.I'm thankful the Mormons are such a peaceful group and that execution is
never on the table for people who leave their church.This
"religion" would be wise to learn from the Mormons. Or one of hundreds
of other religions.
Its crazy anyone even tries to defend this "religion" these days. They
need to get out of the dark ages