Lawmakers: IRS says it lost more emails connected to tea party investigation

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  • Ice Cream Sandwich provo, UT
    June 19, 2014 7:06 p.m.

    Keeps track of hundreds of millions of individual, companies, and expats taxes down to the penny every year without missing a beat.

    Loses hordes of emails that would incriminate you against political adversaries.

    Yeah, right.

    Attention Americans: Doesn't matter if you're liberal or conservative or none of the above: the President has now set the path for this type of blatant abuse of power. When those not of your thinking are in power, you will suffer. Think principles.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2014 3:57 p.m.

    The real scandal here is that any of these groups have tax exempt status when in reality none of them meet the law's standard of being exclusively for social justice and pretty much none of them meet the arbitrary IRS interpretation of exclusively to mean primarily that has been used for around 50 years.

    Just like that saying conservatives use on immigration... enforce the laws.

  • RBN Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2014 9:53 p.m.


    If there is obstruction of justice, abuse of powers, etc., then there should charges filed or a grand jury convened. Fact by fact by fact. Political turns resulting from proper prosecution is fine. I just don't want partisan politics to color the investigation, and prosecution, if any.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    June 18, 2014 12:30 p.m.

    Lost emails? I doubt not all were lost but several were destroyed intentionally. We need Congress to investigate this scandal fully but I doubt they will unless they think they can connect the WH in some way. The IRS was also investigating Democrat supporting groups as well so their intent seems to be less about politics than money and influence.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2014 11:51 a.m.

    Since they will not release the documents. We have the right to search the database ourselves. Let's find out what else this regime is hiding. I wonder how many other Americans they have slaughtered or allowed to be slaughtered while protecting our enemies.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    June 18, 2014 11:49 a.m.


    Point taken, but what happens if it is discovered that there was collusion between Lois Lerner and the IRS and the White House and some Democrats on Capital hill? Collusion that amounted to the IRS being ordered by certain Democrats to go after the T-Party and other like organizations for the purpose of diminishing their power? That is now looking more and more like what will be found if these E-mails ever do see the light of day. Remember, Lerner took the 5th Amendment against self incrimination. She didn't do that because there was not so much as a "smidgen" of corruption going on, did she? This really could amount to Watergate style high corruption and may be a real problem for a lot of Democrats if the truth ever gets out. So, the investigation could take a huge political turn if the facts warrent it.

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    June 18, 2014 11:40 a.m.

    "But Mr IRS officer, I really DID lose all my emails in a hard drive crash! I've recovered these thousand, but unfortunately all the emails to Switzerland and the banks there were not part of them."

    "Right, then! Well, nothing to see here! Off you go, and have a nice life!"

    That's what GaryO expects us to believe should happen. I don't actually know if GaryO is capable of criticizing Obama and Democrats from anything other than full fledge marxism. If Obama conducted an Aztec sacrifice of two college coeds on the front lawn of the White House live on ABC, I bet GaryO would be here to support Obama.

  • RBN Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2014 11:24 a.m.

    Neither party has a monopoly on perfect behavior. This investigation should not be political. Rather, it should be factual.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    June 18, 2014 11:10 a.m.

    Having lived in Germany and having one of our children born there, I believe Hitler put everything into politics without any integrity at all. At the end, he didn't even trust anyone as he had put his trust into his power and glory of himself, not his country. So sad that the world stood by and let this man and others that promised peace by not stating they wanted war. It takes all kinds of resources to make the war materials of a country that size. Many people were making money in that effort and people in the long run paid the price for their lack of integrity, in all sectors.

    Some in Utah pay the price for the lack of integrity and not just the national level. Our elected officials at all levels fill their offices with people that want to do what their bosses want them to do. Sometimes you just have to take a stand and define what integrity is. Washington needs to look at the North Star, Polar Star and compass, even a crude compass to know the general direction of north. The IRS is to have integrity at all levels and this happened.

  • TheProudDuck Newport Beach, CA
    June 18, 2014 10:50 a.m.

    Iron Rod, where was your outrage when FDR made anti-Semitic jokes?

    That's about as relevant to anything as your comment. This is indefensible, and you know it. Obama's crew is counting on people like you to close ranks around him, whatever he does. If there are enough people in this country like you, they've calculated right, and America is frankly over.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    June 18, 2014 10:46 a.m.

    They must really think we are stupid to believe this.

    But then, we elected BO TWICE, so why would they NOT think we are stupid?

    Thanks for providing comic relief. All the other ardent BO supporters know they have no leg to stand on, but here you are, speaking up for your hero again. I guess you did not know that emails, especially government emails, are all backed-up? There are redundant systems that save them, even if you delete them off your computer.

    Iron Rod,
    How many of us are protecting Swallow? Does that answer your question?

    Don’t you mean "not UNlike Hitler"?

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    June 18, 2014 10:04 a.m.

    I believe the information is that the House leadership, even though they were embarrassed by the both the previous AG and Mr. Swallows actions, took appropriate action in their investigation. Mr. Swallow resigned, very quickly, once the report came out. The District Attorneys in both Salt Lake and Davis are pursuing their process. Mr. Swallow and others are really no different in their attempt to subvert the e-mail and backup systems than the IRS and SES appointees such as Mrs. Lerner. The State of Utah in the other elected offices could have done more to pursue the process but the processes are going forward. Mr. Swallow and Shurtleff say they are innocent of any crimes, whatever that means. However, the picture of them at Mr. Johnson's hideaway is worth a thousand words.

    The President tried to make Governor Romney appear to be out of step with Benghazi when the President wanted to win an election at any cost, even not telling the truth about what he knew. Mrs. Rice is available to take the pressure for the President at any cost, even a promotion to a higher position.

    Integrity above politics not like Hitler.

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    June 18, 2014 9:12 a.m.

    @ GaryO and Iron Rod:

    If your comments are indicative of the best defense the president can come up with for these obvious and illegal subterfuged actions of the president and certain involved democratic constituents, then he and those democrats are in deep, deep trouble. This is very reminiscent of Watergate.

    Almost no one is being fooled... except for perhaps the most blinded of lemming-like Obama followers. There is no hope for that level of tinted reasoning. In fact, continuing to make excuses at this point plainly indicates no valid reasoning power at all.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    June 18, 2014 9:10 a.m.

    We are in the reign of 60 years of the judges to let the other branches do what they want. History repeats itself and the military are held out as the pawn. Helaman and Moroni once again in our day of the judges..

  • deseret pete robertson, Wy
    June 18, 2014 8:22 a.m.

    The NSA probably has the e-mails somewhere.

  • fish8 Vernal, UT
    June 18, 2014 7:55 a.m.

    Sorry I lost my tax returns. Please don't do anything to me, it wasn't my fault.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    June 18, 2014 7:45 a.m.

    Gary O

    Notice that so far no other liberal even wants to try to defend this? Because it's indefensible. And any honest observer of this, regardless of politics, would admit that this looks very much like a coverup. And that nonsense about you don't save E-Mails. Well, they are on a server even if you have deleted them from your computer. Plus, personal E-Mails are not the same as government business E-Mails, which are required by law to be saved. And still out there blaming Bush. You really do live in a dream world.

  • David Centerville, UT
    June 18, 2014 7:42 a.m.


    If I remember correctly there were a number of Obama appointed individuals that had not paid their taxes. I can guarantee you they were not TEA party members.

    You claim that TEA partiers are least likely to pay their taxes. Where's your proof? Can you reference a study that presents data showing that conservatives or TEA party supporters don't pay their taxes.

    In reality, the TEA party supports fiscally responsible government, balanced budgets, decreasing federal debt, and decreasing taxes (not total elimination of taxes). They favor all of this through legitimate, legislative means...not through illegally failing to pay taxes, such as the Obama treasury secretary did.

    Just because you say it is so doesn't make it so. Back up your statements with facts.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    June 18, 2014 7:38 a.m.

    As other commenters have stated in this revelation, the government with an NSA that develops ways to get into people's personal lives. Iff this administration really wanted those e-mails, they would have surfaced when this started. However, with the backup process developed not only by government and companies such as Barracuda prior to this debacle, there are a myriad of ways to get those e-mails. If Congress,of both parties cannot get the truth with their own agency's trying for two years to get it without success then this administration has done a very good job of diverting Congress' attention, with the senate leadership obstructing justice due to this fall's elections.

    The President keeps on pushing Executive orders to do as President Nixon did in his troubled time of Watergate by his own executive orders. They believe that keeps some people happy to show that one good thing will draw attention from their tactics or lack thereof in leadership of integrity. His history books will be see what biographers say in the future. A President and his wife that bad mouthed everything done by America will have a different perspective when they depart??

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    June 18, 2014 7:11 a.m.

    Obama had put all the signs out there in his books and words that he didn't like the U.S. Constitution and all of its restrictions on power. Now he is governing as if he were a third world dictator. In fact that's where Obama really belongs is the ruler for life of some African nation that oppresses people he disagrees with. That is the kind of people Obama and Michelle and Holder are. Just look at what the Americans have foolishly done to their country by electing them. And now to defend this takeover, the administration is bringing in as many third world people as possible to defend against the conservatives/Republicans from ever regaining power. Folks just read your Orwell, 1984, and see where we are likely headed unless enough Democrats, liberals, moderates, ect. wake up and decide to defend this country against this kind of tyranny. Used to be the "liberal" in America was for protecting this country from these kind of abuses of power. Now they seem to enable it.

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2014 6:25 a.m.

    And for my conservative friends, where was the indignation when Swallow supposedly lost all his emails?

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    June 18, 2014 5:19 a.m.

    "IRS says it lost more emails connected to tea party investigation"

    Whoops! Well, accidents happen don't they?

    Who saves their old emails anyway? I don't.

    David -

    "Personally I believe the administration is directly involved with this as the targeting of conservative groups . . ."

    Do you? Well now, it's the job of the IRS to scrutinize potential tax cheats.

    And no one has greater potential for cheating on their taxes than those "Conservatives" associated with the anti-government TEA (Taxed Enough Already) Party.

    Hey "Truth" -

    "Impeach Obama?" Why? . . . Because he's been diligently cleaning up the horrendous mess left to us by GW and his irresponsible and incompetent administration? . . . Because he's doing his duty?

    That's no reason to impeach anybody.

  • aceroinox Farmington, UT
    June 18, 2014 1:18 a.m.

    Any organization worth it's salt not only will have these emails on a server, but also in routine nightly backups that get archived on an off-site backup farm. You don't have to be an IT genius to know this is a total crock! But, as was noted, they know Congress and the rest of us know it's a lie, but they also know they will not be held accountable.

    We have had so many instances of this administration thumbing its nose at Congress and the people that we are on the verge (and perhaps already past the point of no return) of a plunge into a dictatorship. They continue to overstep the constitutional checks and balances set up to prevent one branch of government from becoming too powerful. It is indeed an ominous state of affairs, and we, the people, are watching and allowing it to happen. Shame on us!

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    June 17, 2014 10:36 p.m.

    Ya know poor Lois just 'somehow' lost all those emails and all her IRS buddies did too...HA what are the chances? This sickening IRS scandal is probably THE most compelling reason to rid this country of Democrats especially at the national level. This email trail leads directly to the White House and US Senate and that is why there will NEVER be a resolution to this unless the GOP wins the Senate this year and appoints a special prosecuter to investigate and ORDER the full disclosure of this sad chapter in US history.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2014 8:53 p.m.

    When you have Eric Holder as your attorney General covering your back, Obama once again runs lawless and destroys all evidence showing HE orchestrated the IRS targeting of conservatives.......this is worse than democrats voting seven times for the POTUS?

    Impeach Obama.....

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2014 5:05 p.m.

    Watergate was a criminal action by our president and several operatives. The IRS scandal is about a pivotal US agency being turned into an instrument of political retribution by the president's operatives. As in Watergate, the coverup may be as bad as the original crime.

  • David Centerville, UT
    June 17, 2014 3:21 p.m.

    Personally I believe the administration is directly involved with this as the targeting of conservative groups, delaying their IRS status, intimidating, etc affected the presidential campaign. The article states that liberal groups were "flagged" by the IRS as well. My understanding is that the number of conservative groups far exceeded the number of liberal groups. But regardless, what does "flagged" mean as it relates to liberal groups? Does it mean their status was also delayed up to a year?

    The IRS agents have admitted that the targeting of conservative groups was inappropriate and an abuse of agency powers. Who directed this IRS abuse? Lerner's emails would likely reveal it. She has stated her 5th amendment right to not testify and incriminate herself, so obviously she fears prosecution or is protecting someone by not testifying.

    In conclusion, a special prosecutor must be established. Holder, who is the presidents lackey, will certainly not call for a special prosecutor. I believe Republicans in the House should exercise their oversight role and authority to the full extent, even to impeach the president, which means he is investigated for removal from office. His administration is deeply corrupt.

  • TheProudDuck Newport Beach, CA
    June 17, 2014 2:15 p.m.

    Chris B: They don't expect anyone to believe it. They don't *need* anyone to. They know they will get away with it. And that's frankly terrifying.

  • RBN Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2014 2:02 p.m.

    If the tables were turned and the government was prosecuting you or me, and those emails turned up missing, we would be charged with obstructing justice. A special prosecutor is needed.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2014 1:51 p.m.

    Does anyone believe this? Only a sad pathetic individual would believe this nonsense. We're supposed to be the most technologically-advanced country in the world and through all of the sophistication within our government no one can find these emails on a server somewhere?

    Sorry barack, we're not buying it.

    Did you understand the word "most" when you said you'd be the most transparent presidency?

    You do know the difference between "most" and "least" right barack?

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2014 1:46 p.m.

    How convenient.

    I suppose its' a better excuse than "the dog ate them"?

  • TheProudDuck Newport Beach, CA
    June 17, 2014 1:45 p.m.

    As they say in the intelligence business:

    Once is an accident. Twice is a coincidence. Three times is enemy action.

    Launch the special prosecutor already.