Keeps track of hundreds of millions of individual, companies, and expats taxes
down to the penny every year without missing a beat.Loses hordes of
emails that would incriminate you against political adversaries.Yeah, right.Attention Americans: Doesn't matter if
you're liberal or conservative or none of the above: the President has now
set the path for this type of blatant abuse of power. When those not of your
thinking are in power, you will suffer. Think principles.
The real scandal here is that any of these groups have tax exempt status when in
reality none of them meet the law's standard of being exclusively for
social justice and pretty much none of them meet the arbitrary IRS
interpretation of exclusively to mean primarily that has been used for around 50
years.Just like that saying conservatives use on immigration...
enforce the laws.
@SCfan,If there is obstruction of justice, abuse of powers, etc.,
then there should charges filed or a grand jury convened. Fact by fact by fact.
Political turns resulting from proper prosecution is fine. I just don't
want partisan politics to color the investigation, and prosecution, if any.
Lost emails? I doubt not all were lost but several were destroyed
intentionally. We need Congress to investigate this scandal fully but I doubt
they will unless they think they can connect the WH in some way. The IRS was
also investigating Democrat supporting groups as well so their intent seems to
be less about politics than money and influence.
Since they will not release the documents. We have the right to search the
database ourselves. Let's find out what else this regime is hiding. I
wonder how many other Americans they have slaughtered or allowed to be
slaughtered while protecting our enemies.
RBNPoint taken, but what happens if it is discovered that there was
collusion between Lois Lerner and the IRS and the White House and some Democrats
on Capital hill? Collusion that amounted to the IRS being ordered by certain
Democrats to go after the T-Party and other like organizations for the purpose
of diminishing their power? That is now looking more and more like what will be
found if these E-mails ever do see the light of day. Remember, Lerner took the
5th Amendment against self incrimination. She didn't do that because there
was not so much as a "smidgen" of corruption going on, did she? This
really could amount to Watergate style high corruption and may be a real
problem for a lot of Democrats if the truth ever gets out. So, the
investigation could take a huge political turn if the facts warrent it.
"But Mr IRS officer, I really DID lose all my emails in a hard drive crash!
I've recovered these thousand, but unfortunately all the emails to
Switzerland and the banks there were not part of them.""Right, then! Well, nothing to see here! Off you go, and have a nice
life!"That's what GaryO expects us to believe should
happen. I don't actually know if GaryO is capable of criticizing Obama and
Democrats from anything other than full fledge marxism. If Obama conducted an
Aztec sacrifice of two college coeds on the front lawn of the White House live
on ABC, I bet GaryO would be here to support Obama.
Neither party has a monopoly on perfect behavior. This investigation should not
be political. Rather, it should be factual.
Having lived in Germany and having one of our children born there, I believe
Hitler put everything into politics without any integrity at all. At the end,
he didn't even trust anyone as he had put his trust into his power and
glory of himself, not his country. So sad that the world stood by and let this
man and others that promised peace by not stating they wanted war. It takes all
kinds of resources to make the war materials of a country that size. Many
people were making money in that effort and people in the long run paid the
price for their lack of integrity, in all sectors. Some in Utah pay
the price for the lack of integrity and not just the national level. Our
elected officials at all levels fill their offices with people that want to do
what their bosses want them to do. Sometimes you just have to take a stand and
define what integrity is. Washington needs to look at the North Star, Polar
Star and compass, even a crude compass to know the general direction of north.
The IRS is to have integrity at all levels and this happened.
Iron Rod, where was your outrage when FDR made anti-Semitic jokes?That's about as relevant to anything as your comment. This is
indefensible, and you know it. Obama's crew is counting on people like you
to close ranks around him, whatever he does. If there are enough people in this
country like you, they've calculated right, and America is frankly over.
They must really think we are stupid to believe this.But then, we
elected BO TWICE, so why would they NOT think we are stupid?GaryOThanks for providing comic relief. All the other ardent BO supporters know
they have no leg to stand on, but here you are, speaking up for your hero again.
I guess you did not know that emails, especially government emails, are all
backed-up? There are redundant systems that save them, even if you delete them
off your computer.Iron Rod,How many of us are protecting
Swallow? Does that answer your question?JWB,Don’t you
mean "not UNlike Hitler"?
I believe the information is that the House leadership, even though they were
embarrassed by the both the previous AG and Mr. Swallows actions, took
appropriate action in their investigation. Mr. Swallow resigned, very quickly,
once the report came out. The District Attorneys in both Salt Lake and Davis
are pursuing their process. Mr. Swallow and others are really no different in
their attempt to subvert the e-mail and backup systems than the IRS and SES
appointees such as Mrs. Lerner. The State of Utah in the other elected offices
could have done more to pursue the process but the processes are going forward.
Mr. Swallow and Shurtleff say they are innocent of any crimes, whatever that
means. However, the picture of them at Mr. Johnson's hideaway is worth a
thousand words.The President tried to make Governor Romney appear to
be out of step with Benghazi when the President wanted to win an election at any
cost, even not telling the truth about what he knew. Mrs. Rice is available to
take the pressure for the President at any cost, even a promotion to a higher
position. Integrity above politics not like Hitler.
@ GaryO and Iron Rod:If your comments are indicative of the best
defense the president can come up with for these obvious and illegal subterfuged
actions of the president and certain involved democratic constituents, then he
and those democrats are in deep, deep trouble. This is very reminiscent of
Watergate.Almost no one is being fooled... except for perhaps the
most blinded of lemming-like Obama followers. There is no hope for that level of
tinted reasoning. In fact, continuing to make excuses at this point plainly
indicates no valid reasoning power at all.
We are in the reign of 60 years of the judges to let the other branches do what
they want. History repeats itself and the military are held out as the pawn.
Helaman and Moroni once again in our day of the judges..
The NSA probably has the e-mails somewhere.
Sorry I lost my tax returns. Please don't do anything to me, it
wasn't my fault.
Gary O Notice that so far no other liberal even wants to try to
defend this? Because it's indefensible. And any honest observer of this,
regardless of politics, would admit that this looks very much like a coverup.
And that nonsense about you don't save E-Mails. Well, they are on a server
even if you have deleted them from your computer. Plus, personal E-Mails are
not the same as government business E-Mails, which are required by law to be
saved. And still out there blaming Bush. You really do live in a dream world.
GaryOIf I remember correctly there were a number of Obama appointed
individuals that had not paid their taxes. I can guarantee you they were not
TEA party members.You claim that TEA partiers are least likely to
pay their taxes. Where's your proof? Can you reference a study that
presents data showing that conservatives or TEA party supporters don't pay
their taxes.In reality, the TEA party supports fiscally responsible
government, balanced budgets, decreasing federal debt, and decreasing taxes (not
total elimination of taxes). They favor all of this through legitimate,
legislative means...not through illegally failing to pay taxes, such as the
Obama treasury secretary did.Just because you say it is so
doesn't make it so. Back up your statements with facts.
As other commenters have stated in this revelation, the government with an NSA
that develops ways to get into people's personal lives. Iff this
administration really wanted those e-mails, they would have surfaced when this
started. However, with the backup process developed not only by government and
companies such as Barracuda prior to this debacle, there are a myriad of ways to
get those e-mails. If Congress,of both parties cannot get the truth with their
own agency's trying for two years to get it without success then this
administration has done a very good job of diverting Congress' attention,
with the senate leadership obstructing justice due to this fall's
elections. The President keeps on pushing Executive orders to do as
President Nixon did in his troubled time of Watergate by his own executive
orders. They believe that keeps some people happy to show that one good thing
will draw attention from their tactics or lack thereof in leadership of
integrity. His history books will be interesting.to see what biographers say in
the future. A President and his wife that bad mouthed everything done by
America will have a different perspective when they depart??
Obama had put all the signs out there in his books and words that he didn't
like the U.S. Constitution and all of its restrictions on power. Now he is
governing as if he were a third world dictator. In fact that's where Obama
really belongs is the ruler for life of some African nation that oppresses
people he disagrees with. That is the kind of people Obama and Michelle and
Holder are. Just look at what the Americans have foolishly done to their
country by electing them. And now to defend this takeover, the administration
is bringing in as many third world people as possible to defend against the
conservatives/Republicans from ever regaining power. Folks just read your
Orwell, 1984, and see where we are likely headed unless enough Democrats,
liberals, moderates, ect. wake up and decide to defend this country against this
kind of tyranny. Used to be the "liberal" in America was for protecting
this country from these kind of abuses of power. Now they seem to enable it.
And for my conservative friends, where was the indignation when Swallow
supposedly lost all his emails?
"IRS says it lost more emails connected to tea party investigation"Whoops! Well, accidents happen don't they?Who saves
their old emails anyway? I don't.David -"Personally I believe the administration is directly involved with this as
the targeting of conservative groups . . ."Do you? Well now,
it's the job of the IRS to scrutinize potential tax cheats.And
no one has greater potential for cheating on their taxes than those
"Conservatives" associated with the anti-government TEA (Taxed Enough
Already) Party.Hey "Truth" -"Impeach
Obama?" Why? . . . Because he's been diligently cleaning up the
horrendous mess left to us by GW and his irresponsible and incompetent
administration? . . . Because he's doing his duty?That's
no reason to impeach anybody.
Any organization worth it's salt not only will have these emails on a
server, but also in routine nightly backups that get archived on an off-site
backup farm. You don't have to be an IT genius to know this is a total
crock! But, as was noted, they know Congress and the rest of us know it's a
lie, but they also know they will not be held accountable.We have
had so many instances of this administration thumbing its nose at Congress and
the people that we are on the verge (and perhaps already past the point of no
return) of a plunge into a dictatorship. They continue to overstep the
constitutional checks and balances set up to prevent one branch of government
from becoming too powerful. It is indeed an ominous state of affairs, and we,
the people, are watching and allowing it to happen. Shame on us!
Ya know poor Lois just 'somehow' lost all those emails and all her IRS
buddies did too...HA what are the chances? This sickening IRS scandal is
probably THE most compelling reason to rid this country of Democrats especially
at the national level. This email trail leads directly to the White House and US
Senate and that is why there will NEVER be a resolution to this unless the GOP
wins the Senate this year and appoints a special prosecuter to investigate and
ORDER the full disclosure of this sad chapter in US history.
When you have Eric Holder as your attorney General covering your back, Obama
once again runs lawless and destroys all evidence showing HE orchestrated the
IRS targeting of conservatives.......this is worse than democrats voting seven
times for the POTUS? Impeach Obama.....
Watergate was a criminal action by our president and several operatives. The IRS
scandal is about a pivotal US agency being turned into an instrument of
political retribution by the president's operatives. As in Watergate, the
coverup may be as bad as the original crime.
Personally I believe the administration is directly involved with this as the
targeting of conservative groups, delaying their IRS status, intimidating, etc
affected the presidential campaign. The article states that liberal groups were
"flagged" by the IRS as well. My understanding is that the number of
conservative groups far exceeded the number of liberal groups. But regardless,
what does "flagged" mean as it relates to liberal groups? Does it mean
their status was also delayed up to a year? The IRS agents have
admitted that the targeting of conservative groups was inappropriate and an
abuse of agency powers. Who directed this IRS abuse? Lerner's emails
would likely reveal it. She has stated her 5th amendment right to not testify
and incriminate herself, so obviously she fears prosecution or is protecting
someone by not testifying. In conclusion, a special prosecutor must
be established. Holder, who is the presidents lackey, will certainly not call
for a special prosecutor. I believe Republicans in the House should exercise
their oversight role and authority to the full extent, even to impeach the
president, which means he is investigated for removal from office. His
administration is deeply corrupt.
Chris B: They don't expect anyone to believe it. They don't *need*
anyone to. They know they will get away with it. And that's frankly
If the tables were turned and the government was prosecuting you or me, and
those emails turned up missing, we would be charged with obstructing justice. A
special prosecutor is needed.
Does anyone believe this? Only a sad pathetic individual would believe this
nonsense. We're supposed to be the most technologically-advanced country in
the world and through all of the sophistication within our government no one can
find these emails on a server somewhere?Sorry barack, we're not
buying it. Did you understand the word "most" when you said
you'd be the most transparent presidency?You do know the
difference between "most" and "least" right barack?
How convenient.I suppose its' a better excuse than "the dog
As they say in the intelligence business:Once is an accident. Twice
is a coincidence. Three times is enemy action.Launch the special