Lawmakers fume after IRS says untold number of emails lost in tea party targeting controversy

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  • Brio Alpine, UT
    June 17, 2014 10:21 a.m.

    @ GaryO:

    Once again you are fighting another losing argument. Obama added more to the national debt than his 6 predecessors combined. Very little of that can rightly be blamed on whatever it was that he inherited.

    Please recall that the Congressional Budget Office couldn't account for over 2/3's of the 850 billion stimulus package that Obama orchestrated when he had a full democrat Congress during his first 2 years in office with no balance of power between the Executive and Legislative branches of government.

    Even today, Obama's current budget increases the federal deficit approximately $400 billion a year, which are his lowest annual federal deficit increases and only slightly lower than Bush's highest deficit year.

    Democrat's renowned motto of "tax and spend" is in full swing. And even though you remain blind to it with your totally blind and misplaced loyalty, the majority of American citizens are growing tired of his self-serving policies, ongoing scandals and growing corruption. There is no promised transparency. There is cover-up after cover-up coming to light.

    His administration is nearing the point of implosion. Being defensive is looking silly.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    June 16, 2014 1:09 p.m.

    Riverton Cougar -

    "Do you realize that in a little over 3 years, Obama added MORE to the national debt than Bush did in his whole 8 years as president? "

    WEll, it costs a LOT of money to deal with the massive mistakes of the previous adminstration.

    Thanks for pointing that out.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    June 15, 2014 8:49 p.m.


    Do you realize that in a little over 3 years, Obama added MORE to the national debt than Bush did in his whole 8 years as president? Obama has added far more than those two combined. So if Reagan and Bush were irresponsible, then Obama is _____ (fill in the blank).

  • stampederus Ephraim, UT
    June 15, 2014 7:49 p.m.

    Sounds a lot like the Nixon tapes.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    June 15, 2014 4:51 p.m.

    Riveron Cougar -

    "Is spending more than you earn common sense? Just curious."

    You must be referring to the way Ronald Reagan TRIPLED the national debt . . . And the way GW Bush more than DOUBLED it again.

    No that's not common sense. Basically it was vote pandering pure and simple.

    Ronald Reagan bought votes by promising lower taxes. But the taxes he lowered the most were for the highest earners. As a result, the revenue generated during his time in office was much less than it otherwise would have been.

    The price of world oil plummeted to less than 1/3 of what it had been during the Carter administration (no thanks to Reagan). And that caused the economy to rebound. But in spite of all that good luck, Reagan's policies were so unworkable, he couldn't take advantage of it.

    If he had not tampered and lowered the highest tax rate, he could have balanced the budget. Instead, he TRIPLED the debt.

    GW copied Reagan and left us a complete disaster.

    Reagonomics is still in effect. That's why the nation is spending more than it takes in.

    You're right. Republicans are very irresponsible.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    June 15, 2014 10:36 a.m.

    "I do not support "illegal government abuses and corruption!"

    I support applying common sense to governing. "

    Is spending more than you earn common sense? Just curious.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    June 15, 2014 6:50 a.m.


    No Mountanman -

    I do not support "illegal government abuses and corruption!"

    I support applying common sense to governing.

    That's where we differ.

  • boneheaded, but not a smidgen SLC, UT
    June 15, 2014 12:04 a.m.

    barry has trained her well. the whole administration distorts the truth. I have never witnessed so much deceit, incompetence, arrogance, lack of leadership and moral compass. Hard to believe he still has 2 1/2 years left. Stunning. Still waiting for one accomplishment besides the seals getting bin laden. Al quida decimated? Hardly. Taliban on their heels. Hardly, running Syria and Iraq. Keep your doctor? really. Keep your hospital. No. Saving $2,500 for average family. Really? barry will get to thebottom of the IRS scandal, PERIOD. Nope. AP, NSA, transparency nope. good luck barry when you are turnedloose fom DC.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    June 14, 2014 9:39 p.m.

    "Wow! These phony Scandals invented by Right Wingers are getting so common now . . . It's all turning into a real yawner."

    What exactly is phony about this? These audits done against Tea Party groups were NOT routine audits; they had a political motive. And I'm pretty sure a government organization as large and powerful as the IRS can't possibly lose so many emails simply because a computer "crashed". That's like saying you can't get a phone call log because you dropped your cell phone in water.

    Do you honestly believe this story? I bet employees and executives at companies that provide email services (such as Google and Yahoo!) are rolling on the floor laughing at this excuse.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 14, 2014 8:45 p.m.

    Fools don't notice corruption when it's plainly in sight.


  • deseret pete robertson, Wy
    June 14, 2014 6:55 p.m.

    Let an independent firm come in to find the e-mails.It may e easier to find that way.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    June 14, 2014 6:32 p.m.

    Gary O supports illegal government abuses and corruption! Just doing his usual job!

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    June 14, 2014 4:13 p.m.

    Wow! These phony Scandals invented by Right Wingers are getting so common now . . . It's all turning into a real yawner.

    And I really don't see what all the hoopla is about.

    It is the job of the IRS to collect taxes, and it is the job of the IRS to scrutinize organizations and individuals who are likely to cheat on their taxes.

    And one is more likely to cheat on their taxes than the TEA (Taxed Enough Already) Party and their millions of members who shout anti-government slogans while brandishing firearms and Don't-Tread-On-Me Flags.

    The IRS was just doing it's job in scrutinizing anti-government anti-American organizations.

  • David Centerville, UT
    June 14, 2014 3:26 p.m.

    It is difficult, impossible to understand how liberal apologists (such as cjb) can continue their support of such an obviously corrupt administration. A special prosecutor is critically needed now of there ever was one needed in our history. Nixon's coverup was over lying & orchestrating a break in to his opponents office. Well, it is appearing most likely that the Obama administration used the powers of government & the IRS to intimidate, punish, & manipulate citizens to as part of its re-election strategy. If proven true, impeachment of the president would & should quickly follow.

    Equally concerning as the administrations behavior is the unequivocal support liberals continue to extend to the president, despite obvious abuses, corruption, & the breaking of law.

  • USA Salt Lake City, UT
    June 14, 2014 3:20 p.m.

    This is too much like John Swallow's excuses.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    June 14, 2014 2:42 p.m.

    These lawmakers are probably getting what they deserve. Every person has 5th amendment right to not incriminate them self. When Lois Learner testified before Congress, she made a short statement saying she did nothing wrong, and then refused to testify further invoking her 5th amendment rights. Why would she do this if she really had done nothing wrong. Perhaps she feared her words being twisted and not being the benefits of doubt where certain things she said could be taken two ways.

    Then members of Congress claimed that when she said she had done nothing wrong, she waived those rights and demanded that she testify anyway. [Nice try Congress]. Eventually they voted to say she was in contempt of Congress because she had claimed her 5th amendment right and refused to testify.

    Congress didn't play by the rules, and now they complain that the IRS isn't? Congress deserves what they got. Either both sides play by the rules, or neither side has to.

  • U-tar Woodland Hills, UT
    June 14, 2014 2:05 p.m.

    They are as guilty as sin!

  • Star Bright Salt Lake City, Ut
    June 14, 2014 2:02 p.m.

    Of course they are lying. How about summoning the NSA records? They have copies of them all.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 14, 2014 1:20 p.m.

    Lawmakers should not be "fuming" about this blatant obstruction of justice.

    They should be appointing a special prosecutor, filing criminal charges or drafting articles of impeachment.

    I mean, how much lawlessness does it take before the criminal enterprise that is the Obama executive branch is called to account for their actions?

  • Toni North Salt Lake, UT
    June 14, 2014 12:12 p.m.

    I worked as an RN over 40 years - recording was extremely important and critical. For over five years I worked in a health call center in which we processed calls and used computers. Every night there was a back up of calls and emails which was then stored off-site. Surely a government operation would have equal back up for all its daily operations.
    I am offended when a government agency tells me that they lost any information and are unable to retrieve it in some form. Where are the real professionals! Who can I trust? And why are those who have performed less than professionally, even criminally, not been punished?

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    June 14, 2014 11:18 a.m.

    Lost emails? Simple solution!

    Congress should issue a subpoena to the NSA (National Security Agency) and demand copies of the supposedly "lost" emails.

    It's time to end the reign of the IRS.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    June 14, 2014 11:11 a.m.

    How convenient. Destroy all evidence. Obama WILL be correct in saying there is "not a smidgen of corruption" in this case, no matter what it takes!

  • LetsBeRational Spanish Fork, UT
    June 14, 2014 10:35 a.m.

    This is outrageous. But more outrageous is that the majority of American people don't care about the destruction of evidence, and feel the investigation is a witch hunt.

  • Missouri loves BYU Lebanon, MO
    June 14, 2014 10:20 a.m.

    Pardon me for being skeptical.... She pleads the 5th and now emails show up missing...I am sure that I am not the only person who has had my computer crash and yet been able to recover my email. Kind of reminds me of a comment an old boss made once...."Blame everything on computers and IT problems as customers will find it easier to believe"...I am sure there are times when emails will go missing. But when you are a sr. government official with the IRS I would think they would have a computer backup format that would make it extremely difficult to lose all your email via a computer crash...

  • casual observer Salt Lake City, UT
    June 14, 2014 10:03 a.m.

    Try using this explanation if the IRS audits your tax return and see what happens. Maybe "the dog ate my homework" will become a valid excuse.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 14, 2014 9:09 a.m.

    Obama's misuses of the powers of the powerful IRS far surpass even the most evil machinations of Richard Nixon or LBJ.

    This cannot be anything less than a carefully executed, deliberate, intentional, and criminal act to destroy incriminating evidence.

    Let teh special prosecutor be appointed today, and the impeachment begin as soon as the evidence is revealed.

    Oh, by the way, don't try the "my computer crashed" excuse if the IRS wants to audit your taxes!

    This is the most outrageous (so far) of all of Obama's puppets acting in defiance of the laws which are supposed to rule our country.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    June 14, 2014 9:09 a.m.

    Imagine that! Lois Lerner destroying incriminating evidence! "There is not a smidgeon of corruption" in the Obama administration is there?