My daughter taught English to Iraqi refugees in Jordan. There was an older
woman who wore a head to foot abaya (what they call a burqa in Afghanistan) and
a veil. At one point she stood up in the back of the room and she talked about
the personal cost to her of our war against them. Her husband and her sons were
killed. She stood there and she wept over them. Everyone in the classroom was
embarrassed and they didn't know what to say.When we invaded
Iraq, we bent the course of history in a direction where whatever good or bad
happens, we have a part in it. What happened to this woman and her family is
partly our blame.The blame is shared by a lot of other countries
too. But, splitting up the blame between so many parties doesn't dilute
the blame. There is a lot of room in Hell.
@Liberal Ted:"The mistakes made are these. The 1st Gulf War, Saddam
should have been killed and replaced. "The 1st Gulf War was
fought between Iran and Iraq. I think that you mean the Second Gulf War. Sit
back and question everything you know and check to make sure it is accurate.
DN SubscriberCottonwood Heights, UT"We tried our best, and
actually things in Iraq were going well until Obama failed to negotiate a status
of forces agreement which would allow sufficient forces to assist the Iraq
people building on our successes."--- Did you only watch Fox, or
did you see on the other networks the "troops" we trained and armed lay
down their weapons, shed their uniforms, and surrender? Training them more would
not put the fire in their hearts to fight a pointless battle.Liberal
TedSalt Lake City, UT"The fact of the matter is, as much as you
would like to blame George Bush for all of obamas failures. When we entered Iraq
it was with an actual partisan vote. Democrats, Republicans, Independents voted
to go to war"-- Bush created (wrongly) a consensus in the
country that Saddam had to be stopped, and many in Congress went along
reluctantly. There was no vote on "Should we kill hundreds of
thousands, destroy our reputation, and bankrupt the USA in order to enrich the
oil interests which put Bush in office?"
Only a fool would blame this on George Bush. It's been six
years, and the baton was past on to baryO.Let's put the shoe on
the right foot!
WhateverI'm curious as to your point about the Bush
administration "finishing the war". How would you have proposed they do
that? Pulled out? Isn't that what Obama has done? Continued to leave
forces and fight? Isn't that what Obama and others said was the wrong
thing to do? What other options were there, I ask? Otherwise, the only real
major change to that war was not by Bush, but by Obama. He is the one that 100%
pulled out (against some good military and civilian advise) which has now left
the country wide open to what is happening. He created the vacuum that is now
being filled by ISIS. Yes, it is all on Obama now. It looks like his changes
and policies have resulted in things getting worse over there. All Presidents
inherit the good and bad from previous Presidents. That goes with the job. But
when they ask for the job, they are always saying that things will be better
with them in office. So far with Obama, that is not the case.
"This is all on Obama now."Well now we know the Faux news
spoon-fed statement of the day that their automatons will mindlessly parrot...
If the Bush administration didn't completely destabilize the region by
starting a 12 year war that they were too stupid to finish due to their
embarrassing incompetence, we wouldn't even be talking about this. But I
guess it's all on Obama now...
FTObama hasn't learned anything from anybody. He really thinks
he is the smartest person on the planet.Gary OThis is
all on Obama now. He pulled out of Iraq without leaving anything behind except
our weapons, which the bad guys now will have. I used to say getting out was
the right thing. Now I see the error of that policy. I thought Iraq would have
a leader like Assad of Syria, but not be taken over by extremist Al Queda types
who want to continue the worldwide terrorist program. My mistake. I admit it.
Now I see that we should have handled Iraq like we did South Korea. Keep a
force in there to prevent an extreme terrorist organization from gaining control
of an oil rich nation. Bad news for everyone everywhere. Israel might go nuke
if these guys secure Iraq. But as I said, this is now all about Obama and his
policy. Blaming anyone else is just political sophistry.
barry come lately. keep leading from behind. absolute embarrassment.
@Liberal Ted"Whether or not Bush was fed bad intelligence or not, we
do not know at this time. "We absolutely know he was fed both
intelligence that turned out to be wrong and intelligence that they knew was
The Weakling and Cheif is in charge, we can all relax
GW Bush administration's never claimed that Iraq was preparing to attack us
with WMD's/ They said they were in violation of UN requirements to
dismantle WMD's. If that is what you want to claim as the lie. Per the UN
resolutions. How is it you add that attack us with WMDs to your story.Besides he did use WMDs on the Kurds in the north and the Shites in the south,
the reason Clinton set up the no fly zones.
Hey FelisConcolor -"You’re going to see a stable
government in Iraq that is actually moving toward a representative
government." . . . Yeah . . . For about 3 seconds.The
Republican GW Bush administration left the USA in harm's way both at home
and abroad.Sure, the Obama administration tried to make lemonade out
of lemons. But GW didn't leave us lemons. The fruit of GW's time in
office is nasty and poisonous; and it's probably best to just throw it
away.Sure, Biden hoped for the best, but if GW touched it . . .
then there is no "best." There is only bad, worse, and worst. His
foreign and domestic policy was extremely unwise, and the Iraq he envisioned was
completely irrational, undoable, and disconnected from the real world.I don't think we should invest much more in the way of money, lives, or
other resources in trying to salvage another one of GW's unworkable and
hallucinatory visions.BTW, do you remember this infamous quote?“Meeshun Accomplished” - GW Bush 2003
Hey JSF -" . . . a liberal lie ?"WRONGThe GW Bush administration's claim that Iraq was preparing to attack us
with WMD's was not a liberal lie. That falsehood was put
forward by the Bush administration.The mistake Liberals and
Moderates in Congress made was to believe a lying Republican administration.
As it was, we had no real justification to attack Iraq, and as a
result, we lost over 4000 American service members, with thousands incurring
brain trauma who will need care for life, and we wasted trillions of dollars,
and exterminated of over 100 thousand Iraqis, and destabilized the Middle East
for years to come . . All to our tremendous disadvantage.That's "Conservative" Republican leadership for you.Being an apologist for GW Bush and Republican leadership must be exhausting.
Eight years doesn't qualify as a "long war? And just what does "man
parts" have to do with killing bin Laden? Finally, rather than moan
afterwards about those we SHOULD have killed, just tell us who's next in
"with an illegal and unprovoked war"Again a liberal lie, hardly an
illegal war read all the UN resolutions condemning the actions of Saddam, An
invasion that included many UN members participating in the invasion signed off
by the UN members. Signed off by Hillary and Bill Clinton, and congress. UNSCR 1441 UNSCR 1284UNSCR 1205UNSCR 1194UNSCR 1154UNSCR 1137UNSCR 1134UNSCR 1115UNSCR 1060UNSCR 1051UNSCR 949UNSCR 715UNSCR 707UNSCR 688UNSCR 687UNSCR 686UNSCR 678The problem is the UN has no teeth and no
claws, and when you blame the man willing to put teeth and claws in the paper
tiger, you claim it is illegal. The US paper tiger is Obama, who
has put US troops in numerous combat and high risk sites around the world. We
are currently in more countries than under Bush and Clintons.Bill
Clinton made a military strike on Sudan, violating their sovereign soil, why
don't we hear you condemning Clinton for his illegal actions. What about
Obama's violation of Libya's sovereignty. Providing military support
and air cover in a civil war with some boots on the ground. Blaming Bush for
Obama's lack of policy is weak.
It was Obama that pulled the troops early. It was Obama that bowed to
terrorists. It was Obama that refused to see what is actually happening in the
world.The fact of the matter is, as much as you would like to blame
George Bush for all of obamas failures. When we entered Iraq it was with an
actual partisan vote. Democrats, Republicans, Independents voted to go to war
(Unlike the ACA where the democrats forced it down our throats with no
compromise). Many nations in the international community also supported it.
Whether or not Bush was fed bad intelligence or not, we do not know at this
time. Yes we now know it's flawed, but, it will be awhile before we are
given access to records.The mistakes made are these. The 1st Gulf
War, Saddam should have been killed and replaced. Second mistake, is Clinton
should have controlled his man parts, so he could have killed Osama and
dismantled that leadership tier before it became a rally cry. Third, pulling
troops out and giving up. If we can't commit to a long war, then we
shouldn't go. Even when 98% of the country is behind it.
Not another drop of American blood or another dollar (borrowed from China)
should be wasted trying to save any Muslim country from a civil war. We cannot
impose civilization or a democracy upon those people.We tried our
best, and actually things in Iraq were going well until Obama failed to
negotiate a status of forces agreement which would allow sufficient forces to
assist the Iraq people building on our successes. By failing to do that, we
have set the stage for the complete destruction of all that was won by 4,500
American lives. We must not do it again. If the people
of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, or anywhere else in the neighborhood want freedom,
let them fight themselves and win it. We will be glad to recognize their new
government. But, not another drop of American blood or another borrowed
dollar!Our troops won, but our diplomats and politicians lost this
Most all middle eastern nations are tribal. They've been fighting each
other for centuries, and if we could move ourselves forward in time another 50
yrs. they'll most likely still be at it.The exceptions are Israel and
Saudi Arabia. The Saudis are only able to keep their tribal groups from killing
each other because the Royal family exerts so much control. Same with
Jordan.You have the Sunnis, Shiites, Kurds. Then there's the
"military" arm of the various sects: Hezbollah, Hamas, Al Qaeda,
Taliban, etc.My point is: UNLESS we are willing to keep about a half
million troops in each country to stop the various tribes from killing each
other - they will keep on doing it - ad infinitum!UNLESS/UNTIL the
actual residents of those countries decide to quit fighting amongst themselves
their always will be mass carnage.But THEY have to want to stop!
Why Mr. President? Have you not learned anything from the failures of the
neo-con's foreign policy?
It's really too bad that the GW Bush administration completely destabilized
the Middle East with an illegal and unprovoked war, but now we have to play the
hand he dealt us, and we have to do it RIGHT.This surge in Sunni
Extremism could be a mixed blessing, if we can just play it right. GW greatly
weakened the Sunnis in Iraq and made the Shiites relatively much stronger, and
in so doing, he made predominantly Shiite Iran much stronger, and therefore a
greater threat to us.So now we've got a Sunni rebound, and they
want to upset the Iraq designed by the GW Bush administration? Well, that might
be a good thing, because EVERYTHING so far created by GW Bush and his
Republicans has done nothing but harm US interests.He left the
Sunnis weak and the Shiites strong, and now the Sunnis are making a comeback.
Good. Let them. The result might end up a looking a lot like the status quo
before GW's tampering, when the Sunni's in Iraq could keep the Shiites
in Iran in check.Maybe we should back off and let this thing take
President Barack Obama, during the 2012 campaign:"Today,
Al-Qaeda is on the run, and Osama Bin Laden is dead."Vice
President Joe Biden, February 11, 2010:"You’re going to
see a stable government in Iraq that is actually moving toward a representative
This is hard to believe.As our country weakens, so will the freedoms
of other countries, and our own way of life.