California teacher tenure law unconstitutional

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    June 13, 2014 11:23 a.m.

    Finally!! A judge that has some common sense.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    June 13, 2014 8:25 a.m.


    Utah is already the very bottom of the barrel for per-child spending; 50th!

    Vouchers are simply a way to cut that spending even further in order for the Utah Legislature to eliminate public spending and funnel public money into their own pockets (many of them are invested in "charter" schools).

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 12, 2014 2:09 p.m.

    @Brave Sir Robin,

    Parents went through the same school/educational system as their children.

    Further evidence of our weak, and costly educational system.

    The focus should be on teaching students study kills, researching, and presenting their findings in several ways.

    It's pretty simple.

  • EJM Herriman, UT
    June 11, 2014 10:08 a.m.

    As an educator I am just concerned that due process won't be followed in charter schools. It will be for students but for teachers that will be another story.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    June 11, 2014 9:08 a.m.

    What?! The democrats preach that unions and government increase efficiency and choices. After all a teacher that is hired and can't be fired is more motivated than a teacher that must prove themselves year in and year out. Not saying all union teachers are bad, but, there is enough bad in there to make it not worthwhile.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    June 11, 2014 9:03 a.m.

    Parents are problematic but in Utah, like Worf has alluded to, the state legislature is mostly to blame for the ills in Utah's system.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    June 11, 2014 8:54 a.m.


    "Let's not totally blame teachers for our poor educational system!

    Legislators has caused most of the problems! Period!"

    Actually most of our educational problems are caused by parents. There are exhaustive studies to support this. When you have parents who don't get involved or care about their kids' education, you get kids who don't get involved or care about their own education.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    June 11, 2014 7:48 a.m.

    Whatever works best to help students do their best is what should come first. And tenure is not a part of that. The unions are mainly about protecting teachers from losing their jobs, even if they are not up to the job. Teachers unions are not concerned about students first, that is and always has been obvious. They will defend even teachers who abuse kids. This ruling in California of all places should show the typical pro union Democrats that "a times they are a changin."

  • Solutions not Stones Spanish Fork, UT
    June 10, 2014 10:55 p.m.


    Let's not split hairs. There are differences but it is fundamentally the same issue, public money that follows the student has been deemed good in higher education (even if they go to private institutions) but not in k-12.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    June 10, 2014 10:33 p.m.

    Regarding redistribution of wealth/money dictating decisions...

    Redistribution of wealth/money dictating decisions is good if originated by Republicans.

    Redistribution of wealth/money dictating decisions is bad if originated by Democrats.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 10, 2014 10:27 p.m.

    Solutions not Stones,

    You are making an apples and oranges comparison. By law all my state income tax goes to education. At the K-12 level public schools are provided for students free of charge ( I know there are fee's for classes sports etc.). Choices are available (open enrollment and charter schools). Higher Education is completely different on multiple levels. Pell Grants and Subsidized loans are also different than a voucher.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 10, 2014 10:19 p.m.

    Let's not totally blame teachers for our poor educational system!

    Legislators has caused most of the problems! Period!

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    June 10, 2014 9:31 p.m.

    Normally I would tend to agree with the protections that unions provide. But in this instance I agree with the judge. In Davis County I've tried to get the district and the board to improve secondary math education and the district wouldn't be moved. They came up with every excuse imaginable to not lift a finger to undo the damage that has been done to math education since I went to school.

  • Solutions not Stones Spanish Fork, UT
    June 10, 2014 9:07 p.m.


    So, are you suggesting that Pell Grants, subsidized loans, etc. should be disallowed at private universities like Westminster College and BYU?

  • Hamath Omaha, NE
    June 10, 2014 5:17 p.m.

    @ Brio.... Too bad the charter schools have mostly shown themselves to be mostly inept. Pursuing the bottom line of profit, they too often cut corners. Given enough time (maybe 20 years) some serious competition might pop up. Charter schools have been known to hire teachers that actually got fired from public schools! Still it's not a bad idea. Competition is a great motivator.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 10, 2014 4:06 p.m.


    There are currently plenty of choices. Traditional public schools do something that no other schools do, they take all students irregardless. If you want competition great, then lets have it, but let all schools compete equally. Vouchers are just a form of redistribution of wealth. When you take my tax money and pay for publics schools that is like paying for streets, parks etc. Things that benefit all. When you take my money and give it someone else to spend on their childs education as they choose, that is not spending my money on a common good. A voucher is not an appropriate use of taxpayer money.

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    June 10, 2014 2:47 p.m.

    Much of this issue would be resolved if the Obama administration would support school voucher programs. This would allow all students, including those who brought this law-suit, to have more and better choices regarding where they attend school.

    Because Obama is beholding to big teacher unions for their campaign support, and because those unions are adamantly opposed to any voucher systems, the current national Attorney General, Eric Holder, is suing states and districts who try to allow or expand the use of school voucher systems.

    It's a prime example of doing the wrong thing for the wrong reason. Money too often dictates decisions, no matter how obviously flawed some of those decisions are. And not allowing school vouchers is a very flawed idea.

    Allowing voucher systems would be perhaps the quickest way of allowing a way out for these inner-city students who are currently trapped with no choices regarding their sub-standard schools.

    Having more choices would force these bad public schools to improve or perish. With no competition, they can continue forever with their incredibly bad teachers and teaching systems. It's asinine that it's almost impossible to fire terrible teachers.