String of legal wins bolsters same-sex marriage

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  • nycut New York, NY
    May 29, 2014 3:50 p.m.

    Oh, @windsor.

    It would be easy to counter with “and your friend will never know the true joy of being a lesbian in love.” But this isn’t really a discussion.

    There are always people who pretend that their concern is for another’s well-being, only to reveal their own thinly-disguised self-righteousness. Don’t lose any sleep over the sexual intimacy of your “friends”. They’re just fine.

  • bribri86 Phoenix, AZ
    May 29, 2014 12:01 p.m.

    "The fact that this article has been online in DNews for a day and yet no post against SSM shows up, it tells me that the tide has really turned."

    It's because all of my posts are being denied. Our society is having a problem with hearing the truth I guess.

  • A Quaker Brooklyn, NY
    May 28, 2014 11:08 a.m.

    @windsor I'm going to echo what The Wraith said in answer to you, but also add: You have no idea what God-given means, either. Our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters are the way God made them, and for whatever His reasons in making them that way, He did not deprive them from His gifts of Love, Joy, Compassion, Selflessness, and Empathy. They are just as capable as me or you. (Or at least me. You may want to have a little talk with Him, and this time, listen.)

  • The Wraith Kaysville, UT
    May 28, 2014 8:19 a.m.


    You and the woman you mentioned really have no idea what homosexuality actually means.

  • windsor City, Ut
    May 28, 2014 7:59 a.m.

    A 30-something happily married heterosexual woman told me the other day that more than anything, she feels sorry her Lesbian friends who will NEVER know the true joy of real husband and wife sexual intimacy.
    Gotta agree.

    There is something in the real God-given pattern that those who chose another way will never get to have.

    Sad for them.

  • Eliyahu Pleasant Grove, UT
    May 28, 2014 7:23 a.m.

    Virtually everyone supports "traditional marriage." This has nothing to do with the issue at hand, which is whether the laws should allow non-traditional marriages as well. This isn't a zero-sum game where someone has to lose in order for someone else to win. About the only real question left is whether gay marriages will have any better success rate than those of the rest of us, with current divorce rates being about fifty percent. For now, I'm predicting a far lower divorce rate simply because gay couples have had to work a lot harder to get married and it's not something they can just do on a whim or without planning ahead. This may change when marriage is as readily accessible to them as it is to the rest of us, but no one can say for sure and it's certainly not a factor to be considered in deciding whether to make it legal.

  • BJMoose Syracuse, UT
    May 27, 2014 4:26 p.m.

    Brian Brown said "What I'm surprised by is, given the massive amount of capital and power that's been exerted on this issue, a majority of Americans still support traditional marriage."
    Very deceptive. Says nothing about SSM, just traditional marriage. Why wouldn't the majority of Americans regardless of their sexual orientation not support traditional marriage? I've been married 35 years. I support traditional marriage for those that want it. I also whole-heartedly support SSM for those who want it.

  • Laura Bilington Maple Valley, WA
    May 27, 2014 3:19 p.m.

    Mr. Brown's organization is deceptively named. It should be the National Organization to Prevent Gays from Marrying. Promoting and supporting marriage would have them doing things like legislating to increase the minimum wage, promoting financial awareness for engaged couples, sponsoring classes on couples communication skills, and...not the least...urging gay men to embrace lifelong marital fidelity with their same sex partner.

  • USU-Logan Logan, UT
    May 27, 2014 10:52 a.m.

    Brian Brown said "What I'm surprised by is, given the massive amount of capital and power that's been exerted on this issue, a majority of Americans still support traditional marriage."

    Actually, a majority of Americans still and WILL ALWAYS support traditional marriage. But this issue is not about heterosexual couples' marriage right, it is about same sex couples' right to marry. Nice try for Mr. Brown to secretly change the subject.

    The reality is that just a few years ago, a majority of Americans still oppose same sex marriage, but only a few years later, the tide has turned. Now, a majority of Americans support SSM, in fact, 80% of young people support it.

    Anybody who does not turn a blind eye on the reality knows that this war is over.

  • Understands Math Lacey, WA
    May 27, 2014 10:01 a.m.

    Brian Brown said "What I'm surprised by is, given the massive amount of capital and power that's been exerted on this issue, a majority of Americans still support traditional marriage."

    I'm glad that the AP writer called him out on this assertion: one cherry-picked poll does not negate the fact that marriage equality has been shown to have majority support in every other poll for over a year.

    And Brian Brown has shown a remarkably bad ability to predict the future. On November 27th of last year, he predicted that Illinois would be the last of the 'low-hanging fruit' (his words) for marriage equality. Since that day, marriage equality has won the day in New Mexico, Oregon, Pennsylvania, and anti-equality amendments have been overturned (with stayed decisions) in Utah, Michigan, Texas, Oklahoma, Idaho, Virginia, and Arkansas. More limited instances of marriage bans have been overturned (with stays) in Kentucky, Tennessee, and Ohio.

  • J. S. Houston, TX
    May 27, 2014 9:30 a.m.

    The fact that this article has been online in DNews for a day and yet no post against SSM shows up, it tells me that the tide has really turned.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    May 27, 2014 8:04 a.m.

    Once LGBT couples are finally allowed to marry just like any other couple, life will go on as before. Nothing else will change.

    Irony Guy is right, the Supreme Court may never hear another argument relating to SSM. If the appeals courts uphold J. Shelby's ruling and the others, the SCOTUS may refuse to hear any further appeals from Utah and these other states and the ruling will stand, in which case, SSM will be legal in every state covered by these circuits.

    Thank you Utah, for helping make SSM legal across the nation.

  • A Quaker Brooklyn, NY
    May 26, 2014 10:20 p.m.

    It's nice to read an impartial AP story in the Deseret News on this subject for once. Could this possibly be a sign that you're slacking up on your fevered-pitch campaign against legally treating your state's gay citizens as equals? That would be very good news, indeed.

    While I realize that equality isn't favored by many of your readers, and that the leading church in your state has worked assiduously in opposition, at some point we all need to take notice of our nation's essential principle of allowing all people to be treated as individuals, with equal rights. On this Memorial Day, it would be nice if we could celebrate by recognizing the sacrifices and contributions that individuals from ALL walks of life have made for this country.

  • Maudine SLC, UT
    May 26, 2014 10:13 p.m.

    The biggest shift in attitudes concerning same-sex marriage came with the Prop 8 legal cases. All of a sudden opponents of same-sex marriage had to defend their position in a court of law using legally valid reasoning - and Americans were able to see that the claims they were making had no support. The arguments against same-sex marriage were based on supposition and distortion of facts - none of the claims against same-sex marriage were (or are) legally defensible.

    When Americans were presented with the truth, support for same-sex marriage increased. And it continues to increase.

  • Hugh1 Denver, CO
    May 26, 2014 9:05 p.m.

    Thirty or so anti-gay marriage laws were voted on to amend state constitutions beginning in the late 90's. Timing was critical and the right-wing ran the table. Older voters were against, and younger voters supportive of gay marriage. The tide finally turned several years ago as the population aged and as opinions evolved. Today, if Utah resist gay marriage on a 'freedom of religion' or 'protect the children' or some other such pretense, it will certainly lose in the courts. What Utah needs now is a bit of visionary leadership accompanied by a 'live and let live' philosophy that realistically addresses life after gay marriage. In Massachusetts it caused barely a ripple and it's really worth the effort to take a look at the 10 year experiment - that is no longer an experiment - it's life pretty much the way it's always been, but with a bit more compassion.

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    May 26, 2014 4:11 p.m.

    "We are a better people than what these laws represent, and it is time to discard them into the ash heap of history," U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III wrote last week about the Pennsylvania marriage law.

    It makes me proud to have educated,fair and honorable men and women serving as judges in our land.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    May 26, 2014 11:21 a.m.

    I predict the Supreme Court will never hear these appeals. The district courts are unanimously in favor so far, and until one of them goes against the trend, the high court has no reason to get involved.