Immigration: US warns schools against bias

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  • TimBehrend Auckland NZ, 00
    May 9, 2014 7:05 p.m.

    wrz: Sad that Democrats are willing to give away our nation's sovereignty for a vote.

    Sadder still to see how Democrats and Republicans are willing to take away other nations' sovereignty for their corporate sponsors.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    May 9, 2014 5:21 p.m.

    "Please understand the need of those in poverty just across a line in the sand we drew a few short generations ago."

    Keep in mind, without the 'line in the sand' the US loses its sovereignty. Any country that wishes to remain a sovereign country must have secure borders and enforce its immigration laws. This goal takes precedence over educating illegals.

    Liberal Ted: "The democrat party... is full of self serving hypocrites."

    You got that right.

    The main reason Democrats favor amnesty for illegal immigrants is because they are fishing for votes. And they're securing millions of votes because there are millions of illegals from south of our border who will be voting Democrat to help foster their amnesty.

    Sad that Democrats are willing to give away our nation's sovereignty for a vote.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    May 9, 2014 1:43 p.m.

    No, if holder WERE upholding the law, those kids would be with their parents in their home countries.

    Tim Behrend,
    you are correct, other AGs have not done their job very well, either. That is no excuse for holder, who is the worst we've had since janet reno, if not ever. Fortunately for you New Zealanders, you have an ocean protecting your borders, so it may be difficult for you to realize the problem illegal immigration is in this country and the burden it places on the legal residents.

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    May 9, 2014 11:28 a.m.

    @ dave4197:

    You are obviously still running around with blinders on in your la-la land if you honestly can't tell the difference between people being reasonable versus being selfish. I seldom admit this, but I give a double-digit percentage of my income away to charities to help those truly in need. No one has ever called me selfish before. Your quick judgement of others without actually knowing them should cause you to do some honest self-evaluation after coming down off from your high horse.

    I've pondered this issue a lot. There are over 4 billion poor people (by our standards) who would love to come and live in the USA if given the opportunity. Why do you favor letting in only those who live south of us? According to you, we should be unselfish enough to let anyone who wants to economically improve come and join us. Doing so would immediately more than quadruple our current population. Even someone as naive as you seem to be should be able to understand the insanity of such an approach. You truly need to join the real world. Sorry if the truth hurts.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    May 9, 2014 6:55 a.m.

    This campaign is just more Democratic posturing. The message? The Obama administration is protecting illegal alien children against discrimination. But where is the problem?
    Remember when Obama called Republicans the "enemy" of Latinos?
    Holder did not announce suits being filed against certain school districts. How big is this problem? Did anyone suggest that schools are refusing admission to illegal alien children? That would be big news. Have any states or districts made local laws forbidding illegal aliens a free public education?
    I think Holder and Duncan are offering us an umbrella when it isn't raining.
    But it got the attention of the news outlets and is free campaign advertising.

  • TimBehrend Auckland NZ, 00
    May 9, 2014 6:39 a.m.

    Fitness Freak: "Its more than ironic that Holder issues this edict, when, in fact, if HE did his job they wouldn't be here in the first place!"

    Following your logic, it seems that it's been a very, very long time since the United States had any AG that did his job. Employers have been using illegal immigrant labour for decades. This isn't an issue that began with the current administration.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    May 9, 2014 6:33 a.m.

    Why isn't Mexico and other Southern countries more willing to allow US citizens and business locate in their countries, without following the law? Unless if you are a citizen of Mexico you cannot purchase land, they require you to show paperwork. The same with the Philippines, you must be Filipino to purchase land, you are required to carry paperwork stating your there legally, and unless if you are spending money there is no program(s) for you to live off of.

    It's amazing that for some reason The United States has to be different and allow people to leech off of the system. The left compares the US to Europe all of the time, then why not follow suite of other countries and require documentation and enforcement of the laws?

    The democrat party like other parties is full of self serving hypocrites. Whatever wins elections rather than what is best for our nation. It's now "Ask what entitlements your country will give you (by borrowing money), and ask not What can I do for my country"

  • dave4197 Redding, CA
    May 8, 2014 7:18 p.m.

    mack 2828, nobody goes to prison for being hungry. If you don't earn enough to feed your family, you're already in a 0% income tax bracket, my taxes pay for your EIC and your food stamps, you're welcome. Tough, I don't love it, but I recognize the fairness of sharing our wealth and opulence with those less fortunate who have to hike across a desert to find an opportunity here.
    What needs focus here is Eric Holder does have the right and the power to tell school districts to stop holding immigrant children hostage before allowing them into the classroom for a hoped for education. Education is the way out of poverty, we can and need to help our neighbors who are poor and who are in our country, and there is a short time frame. Of course we should help their home country realize the problem and try to tame it there. But we don't exclude or punish children in the process.

  • Mack2828 Ft Thomas, KY
    May 8, 2014 5:17 p.m.

    Dave4197, I try so hard to see this issue from your point of view, but I just can't grasp it. The traffic violation analogy does nothing for me. People who speed and run stop signs (including me) are law breakers and should be caught and punished.

    How does "Love" authorize us to turn a blind eye to honesty?? Where do you draw the line? If I stop paying my taxes because I can't feed my family, will you come to my defense? Will you come and say "well come on now this guy is only trying to feed his family, leave him alone, don't send him off to prison".

    And if not taxes how about other crimes and other acts of dishonesty? I just can't see how "love" is an excuse to do what is illegal and dishonest.

    Wouldn't true love call us to have the courage to help our neighbor do what is legal and honest?

  • dave4197 Redding, CA
    May 8, 2014 3:41 p.m.

    Brio and Concinnity
    I am truly sorry to hear your extremely purely selfish reasons for trying to keep our neighbors out. Please rethink. Please develop a heart. Please understand the need of those in poverty just across a line in the sand we drew a few short generations ago. A way out of poverty is education, we have a good education system. I am telling you as loudly and clearly as I can (without getting edited out by DN) that we need to help our neighbors. We will all benefit in the long run.
    School is not the place for your anti immigrant stand. School is an element that can make a change for good.
    Traffic laws are routinely broken every minute of the day, so many people apparently think those laws don't fall under the "rule of law" mantra, and I stand by my earlier comparison.
    Church leaders have reminded us to be less selfish, less proud, I think they're talking about this subject of immigration. Why do we have to be reminded? Why are some of us so selfish about our wealth and opulence when compared with others?

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    May 8, 2014 3:02 p.m.

    @ dave4197...

    People who keep equating illegal immigration to breaking traffic laws are living in some sort of la-la land where they truly don't seem to understand the ramifications to society of illegal immigration. Doing so might have good intentions, but it's being very naive.

    There are valid and important reasons that literally all established countries have and maintain immigration laws. Maintaining those laws controls the quality (education level) of who get to live in that country. It also helps control illegal contraband (drugs, etc.).

    Until the federal government gets more serious about upholding existing immigration laws, they shouldn't ask American society to uphold these kind of laws which serve to greatly encourage additional illegal immigration.

    Illegal immigrants send over $24 billion back to their home countries every year. That's money that is not recirculated back into our economy so is thus hindering it. As such, it's a big negative for the USA. That will only get worse as laws such as this one continue to encourage illegal immigration.

    But since hispanics primarily vote for democrats, democrats will in turn choose to continue appeasing hispanics of our society. Thus, these kinds of laws exist.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    May 8, 2014 2:25 p.m.

    What a double standard this is.
    When I enrolled my children in school the district DEMANDED that I get a social security card for my children. No exceptions.
    Do you remember that program? It dates back to the 1986 amnesty program. At first it was required to enter school and then it was required at birth.
    But illegal aliens can register their children without one.
    It gets worse. By the time we wink and nod at these trespassers for 12 years we suddenly feel obligated to help them with college.
    The next step is a job after college. The politicians want to make them legal so they can take the jobs of our own children.
    The problem with kittens is that they grow up to be cats.
    Why must we give away our sovereignty?

  • Concinnity Meadow, UT
    May 8, 2014 1:46 p.m.

    @ Kally:

    What you don't seem to understand is that Eric Holder and Obama have shown a pattern and practice of upholding only those laws which directly seem to benefit the democrat party while tending to the look the other way regarding laws which aren't in line with their liberal ideology.

    This pick-and-choose attitude and practice regarding when and where laws are being upheld is irritating and frustrating to citizens who are not left-wing liberal oriented. Both the president and the attorney general's legal obligation is to uphold all laws... not just the ones they like, such as this one.

  • Concinnity Meadow, UT
    May 8, 2014 1:36 p.m.

    @ dave4197:

    Your position doesn't make any sense in light of our current economic situation. What sense does it make to want "to allow more neighbors to enter our country" when we currently don't have enough jobs for the people who are already here?

    Answer: None. It would undoubtedly make the situation only worse... especially since most of the neighbors you are referring to come from south of our border with very little education or job skills. Your suggestion would simply make it easier for them to gain access to welfare programs, which is already a prohibitive cost that is eating up our federal budget and adding drastically to our deficit problem.

    The more freebies we give to illegal aliens, the more incentive they have to keep coming and coming and coming... non-stop.
    Since most illegals pay very little if any taxes, tax paying citizens are usually footing the entire cost of this directive. And that's a lot of money.

    The same scenario applies concerning their medical care, and is a substantial contributing factor as to why health insurance is so expensive for citizens who have to subsidize this major cost to our society.

  • Kally Salt Lake City, UT
    May 8, 2014 11:57 a.m.

    @ lost: From the article, "Children brought into the U.S. illegally are guaranteed the right to a K-12 education under the 1982 Plyler v. Doe Supreme Court decision."

    Looks like Holder IS upholding the law.

  • Mack2828 Ft Thomas, KY
    May 8, 2014 11:46 a.m.

    It seems to me that this kind of double standard causes a lot of divisiveness in our country.

    After reading about this it makes me feel suspicious and unsettled about the Latino's in my daughters school. Which ones are legal and paying their fair share of taxes? Which ones are law breakers and are taking the tax money of everyone else and not contributing?

    I have the same unsettled feelings at church knowing that the LDS church is also willing to look the other way and have a double standard when it comes to illegal aliens. I don't like that feeling of enmity. I would much rather have love towards my fellow citizens. But these double standards and fuzzy definitions of what it means to be "honest in your dealings with your fellowman" make that very hard.

    I wish Eric Holder and Barak Obama would enforce all laws. How can they get away with enforcing some laws and not others? I wish our church leaders would be clear about what it means to be honest.

  • dave4197 Redding, CA
    May 8, 2014 11:24 a.m.

    Thank you! Eric Holder AG. Your policy is certainly the humanitarian one, and our immigration laws and policies should surely be changed quickly to allow more neighbors to enter our country. Until congress gets out of the gutter on this subject you the AG can legally direct school districts as you have. Illegal immigration has no real penalty in the law, why can any school district subject children to such a terrible and unjustified penalty that's nowhere in our law? Education is the best way out of poverty, and poverty is what drives illegal immigration. School is not the place to ferret out illegal immigrants but rather a place to help. School districts need to stop their criminal activity with their exclusionary policy.
    I wonder what drives those who so dislike these neighbors? I wonder if the poster above who is worried about "criminals" has ever broken a traffic law himself and is a "criminal" too.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    May 8, 2014 10:53 a.m.

    Its more than ironic that Holder issues this edict, when, in fact, if HE did his job they wouldn't be here in the first place!

  • Spiff Salt Lake City, UT
    May 8, 2014 10:08 a.m.

    Along the Wasatch Front, just make sure they attend the schools on the "Westside." Then, publish all the test results from Utah schools to tell the world how low the "Westside" schools test scores are and look how wonderful our "Eastside" schools are and how high their test scores are. I really hate that the Deseret News reports these scores.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    May 8, 2014 10:03 a.m.

    I guess when the AG has no regard for the law, you are going to get disturbing directives like this.

  • hamberg Salt Lake City, UT
    May 8, 2014 10:00 a.m.

    Doesn't prevent the school employees from reporting the parents as being illegal aliens. Everybody should report illegal aliens just as you would any other criminal.

  • CBAX Provo, UT
    May 8, 2014 9:44 a.m.

    They are probably afraid of the higher cost involved.