To "Baccus0902" it is a mandate. Did you know that seat belts were put
into cars BEFORE they were mandated. The free market was already working to
make cars safer BEFORE government got involved.I never said we
should get rid of them, just that you can't call something popular if it is
a mandate and people are complying with it.
@ RedShirtYou wrote:" Seatbelts are not a popular car
feature, they are mandatory car safety features. The ACA is no
different."Thank you for an excellent analogy. We don't
like seatbelts but they do save lives and no reasonable person would like to get
rid of them. The ACA is no different.
130 million people chose to pay their taxes. Yeah, so what. It's the law.
So now you are a criminal if you choose to not have insurance and pay the tax
penalty or you can choose to buy obamacare.Just like voting, you
have to choose between the two evils.
To "Baccus0902" actually it is not a success. While near 8 million have
signed up for it only about 67% have actually paid for their insurance. That
means that only 5.3 million will actually have insurance. See "Report: 67%
of Obamacare enrollees have paid so far " at CBS news.To
"Avenue" actually the ACA isn't popular eventhough people are
signing up for it. People are complying with the law. It is like seatbelts.
Seatbelts are not a popular car feature, they are mandatory car safety features.
The ACA is no different.To "Utefan60" actually the tea
party has probably helped thousands get insurance. What you have not considered
is how many people have been able to get insurance because of the new jobs
creatd as a result of the Tea Party slowing down the flow of government
Even if only one person got insurance under the ACA, that is one more person
than the Tea party helped get insurance! However the fact is that almost 8
million people are now insured under the ACA. And no one lost their insurance.
Those plans that didnt meet the basic criteria were replaced with ones that did.
As for employers balking or cutting hours to reduce benefits, they were doing
that years ago with the Republicans blessing. ore people are today insured than
they were under the GOP.
So, we have a lot of people who signed up for subsidized health care. People who
can afford better plans from independent companies or who are covered by
employers (and how long will THAT last? I am already seeing employees'
hours cut so that benefits need not be paid) are not contributing through
premiums. What do we think is going to happen when the claims start rolling in?
Yes, that's right---your already thinly stretched tax dollars will kick in.
That's what "subsidized" means. How much more debt can the country
take before it implodes?In many cases (my child included), people who
could only afford catastrophic insurance can't afford the new plans. How is
this a good thing?Obama came up with it, but the legislature passed it
without reading it. Everyone's at fault here. It would be easier to repeal
and start over than it would be to fix the existing mess, but since the current
legislature can't agree on anything....
Still no information on how many of those had plans they liked cancelled by
Obamacare.I see the BO apologists still have their heads in the sand
about BO’s lie that if you like your current plan, you can keep it,
PERIOD! They makes excuses and misinform saying the existing plans did not meet
the criteria. GaryO, THAT IS NOT WHAT BO SAID! He did not say,
“if it meets the criteria you can keep it” Yeah, I know, next
you'll say "they were junk plans" which is irrelevant. BO did not
qualify his promise, he emphatically said "PERIOD!"Baccus0902,Go with a republican plan? What do you mean? No repubs
signed onto this monstrosity. This is a DEM plan.atl134,9
million net gain? Doesn’t add up with the 8 million BO crows about.
@ atl. 8 millions signed up but 15 million got insurance? lol. Did you hear that
from Obama and Pelosi?
So With 45 million uninsured with 5 million who lost their covrage because of
Obama care . That means only 3 million who never had coverage now have it and
still we have about 40 million still with out health insurance. Can any one see
a problem here? this is like saying hey the Titanic maiden voyage was a success!
Because it made it over half way to it's destination!! Give me a break this
is one freaking unsutainable train wreck boondoggle that needs to be undone.
It is unfortunate some Governors refused funding for expanded Medicaid, or to
support developing an Exchange in their State. Florida's Governor Scott
went so far as to deny any facilitators or coaches in the State to help people
with the process. He will risk the lives of millions of people for Political
reasons."I see dead people", is a line in the movie The Sixth
Sense. I can only wonder how many people will needlessly suffer and die after
being denied by our Millionaire Governor. He doesn't need it, why should
How will Americans feel after the November elections & in 2015 after more of
the delayed provisions have kicked in? See, Democrats are rolling out their
propaganda machine stating how successful the ACA is (are we getting real
numbers?). But they have politically delayed the painful parts until after the
election (how convenient & how deceitful).
@Baccus0902"ACA is here to stay, improve and grow."Notice
the lies that President Obama told the American People about the ACA to make it
popular.If you like your plan, you can keep your plan.Thank you,
President Obama, for deceiving the good people of America.
@Mountainman"8 millions signed up but over 6 million lost their
coverage due to Obamacare so we don't know how many previous uninsured now
have subsidized coverage."The Rand Foundation estimated between
5 and 6 million lost coverage and 15 million gained insurance for a net of 9
milion more covered. The Gallup survey found uninsured rates fell from 20% to
News broke today that only 67 percent had actually paid their premiums. That
is nothing to be proud about.
Good news indeed.
If the goal was to sign 7 million people and 8 million signed. Then by any
measure it was a huge success.ACA would have been more affordable if
instead of going with a Republican national health plan, we would have gone with
a single payer system. ACA is far from perfect. However, it is a
first step in the right direction. No citizen of our country should be without
health protection.It is an embarrasment that we have the strongest
and most sophisticated defense sysem in the world, and yet keep spending
millions in planes and weapons. We claim to value life yet we spend in death and
refuse to work as community for the benefit of all.ACA is here to
stay, improve and grow. When ACA becomes the norm and everybody or most people
are insured, no Republican will call it Obamacare anymore.
Yeah, except for how many people, like me, are middle class working, and
can't afford the price tag of even the most average of insurance plans? How
is this 'affordable'?? They base it off of your income, and don't
take into account what your expenses already are. A single person who makes
$40,000 and lives with his parents is much more able to pay for insurance then a
single man who lives on his own and makes the same wage. It is in no way
affordable, and this new insurance is terrible! It is worse than not having
insurance. This new plan is slowly sinking many families who can't afford
it, yet are required to buy it.
I see the "Conservatives" responding here are armed with a tremendous
amount of misinformation.So much of what they say is so completely
PREPOSTEROUS and false, it almost defies imagination.Well, if
that's all they've got, that's all they've got.NO, the "cancelled policies" were those that did not mean the minimum
criteria, but the people who had these policies were not without insurance at
any time. Those polices were simply altered to meet criteria. And no, these
people are NOT counted in the 8 million figure.Right Wingers are
very confused. It's almost if they don't really want to know the
I need to correct one of my figures. I calculated the cost per net new insured
person using $1 trillion in costs and not the actual $2.6 trillion in costs.This means that the actual cost per net new insured person is closer to
$867,000 per net new insured person.
Listen closely and you can hear the spin of the few remaining critics of this
law. It's not going anywhere but only going to be improved moving forward.
By October you won't hear many Republicans talking about Obamacare because
polls continue to show Americans want the law to stay and be improved.
Millions more have gained coverage through staying on their parents policies
until 26 and thru Medicaid expansion. If the few right wing critcs that
are left want to keep goverment out of their health care the only place
remaining may be on a ranch in Bunkerville, Nevada.
"Even though the administration is claiming huge successes, the
Congressional Budget Office projects more than 40 million people will still be
uninsured this year . . . "The Obama administration is claiming
huge successes, because they have in fact been hugely successful. They met and
EXCEEDED the goals they set for Obamacare coverage.One step at a
time.This biased, anti-Obama article makes it sounds as if "40
million people will still be uninsured this year" is a failure. It is not.
No one expected to have everyone insured at this point in time. That was NOT a
"8 million" is misleading. Approx. 5 million people lost their
insurance due to the ACA and had to re-sign up for insurance. This means a net
gain of only 3 million people insured. Of those new insured people, it is
estimated that more than 10% haven't paid their premiums, which puts their
status in question and could bring the total even lower.The cost to
implement the ACA is in excess of $2.6 trillion and counting. That's a
cost of over $333,333 per net new person insured.This is a classic
example of the inefficiencies of government management of a private industry.
Let's do some honest math. 8 millions signed up but over 6 million lost
their coverage due to Obamacare so we don't know how many previous
uninsured now have subsidized coverage. Speaking of subsidized coverage,
according to this article, over 4 million new signees were Medicaid signees of
which we don't know how many are new enrollees or re-enrollees. Of the
rest, we don't how many have PAID for their coverage and how many more are
never going to make their second payment. Finally the CBO estimated that in 10
years we will have more uninsured than before Obamacare because millions will
not be able to afford the higher premiums, co-pays and $3000 deductibles their
wonderful new policies will impose. And we haven't even gotten to the
employer mandates yet!
But the questions that still remain are: 1. How many of this 8 million had
private policies before this year that were cancelled thus forcing them to seek
coverage from the marketplace? 2. How many people would have qualified for
Medicaid without the expansion because they lost their jobs or their