Minimum wage approaches likely Senate rejection

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  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    April 30, 2014 1:06 p.m.

    Hey Redshirt -

    " . . . the problem isn't math. It is psychology.”


    A person can be completely brain dead, and if he owes a large debt, the real debt will decrease over time as inflation rises.

    . . . No psychology involved. It’s still just math.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    April 30, 2014 8:22 a.m.

    Here is my challenge to you liberals that complain about jobs leaving the US to go to nations where labor is cheaper. Explain how making labor cost more in the US will make us more competitive with nations where labor is cheaper?

    To "GaryO" the problem isn't math. It is psychology. People that can't live within their means will continue to do so until they learn new habbits. Giving them more money to pay off their current debts will not correct their behavior.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    April 29, 2014 9:54 p.m.

    Obama saddles the US economy with a slurry of shovel ready minimum wage jobs and kills the middle class!

    And the Libs think raising the minimum wage a couple of bucks will fix it, and fail to see that doing so will swell the unemployment wonder the liberals are losing voters!

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    April 29, 2014 7:20 p.m.

    Redshirt -

    You're still wrong.

    Inflation helps debtors because inflation reduces their real debt.

    It's as simple as that.

    It's not a matter of opinion. It's just math.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    April 29, 2014 3:34 p.m.

    according to the BLS and DOL, the 10 jurisdictions with the highest unemployment (DC and 9 states), all but 2 have a minimum wage law above the federal level. Of the 10 states with the lowest unemployment, only 1 has a higher minimum wage law.

    The state with the lowest unemployment is ND, which does not have a minimum wage law above the federal law. The average weekly wage in ND is HIGHER than in Ohio, which HAS a higher minimum wage law.

    Minimum wage laws do very little, if anything, for the benefit of the working poor. They just stiffle job creation.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    April 29, 2014 3:19 p.m.

    To "GaryO" actually it wouldn't help the big debtors. They would be able to pay off their debts, but typically big debtors that do not earn much are also bad at managing their money. After a short time those debtors would be in debt again or would just add to the debt that they have. In the end it would do more harm than good.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    April 29, 2014 1:52 p.m.

    Why not make the minimum wage $100/hour?

    Then we'd all be rich.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    April 29, 2014 1:14 p.m.

    If democrats really cared about minimum wages, would they not tie it to a cost of living index. No they never do. They need it when ever they need a cause to get re elected.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    April 29, 2014 12:59 p.m.

    Hey Redshirt -

    I am not an advocate of raising the minimum wage.

    In my view, the people who would benefit most from raising the minimum wage are big debtors, because raising the minimum wage would also increase inflation, which in turn would lower the value of the dollar, and that would make massive debt less massive. But it would not benefit anyone else in the long term.

    And that would not "promote the general welfare."

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    April 29, 2014 11:50 a.m.

    Are we forgetting that the CBO recently released a report stating that if minimum wage was increased that we would lose 500,000 jobs?

    Also, there are only 1.5 million jobs that pay minimum wage. There are about 300 million people in the US. That means that only 0.5% of the US population will benefit from raising the minimum wage.

    To "GaryO" don't you think that more people will suffer when jobs are lost than will suffer if they keep working for minimum wage?

    This is a typical liberal plan. Hurt the majority to benefit a minority.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    April 29, 2014 11:03 a.m.

    Hey Thid Barker -

    "Conservatives believe productivity produces prosperity, . . . "

    Absolutely . . . And what is productivity? It's the ratio of output over input.

    Low wages equate to low input and, consequently, higher productivity.

    Thus companies that shifted manufacturing to other nations raised productivity, and they increased their own prosperity . . . While greatly reducing the prosperity of American workers.

    That's American Conservatism for you. A few people profit as most Americans suffer.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    April 29, 2014 10:29 a.m.

    Minimum wage is an illusion, one that mystifies those who wander in darkness! That is can keep the Democrats and the Republicans, as well as the ignorant populous, arguing it makes for a sad commentary on our republic and how to truly help the poor! In the meantime, a simple laugh will have to do!

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    April 29, 2014 9:50 a.m.

    Oh where have you gone Teddy Roosevelt?

  • Vince Ballard South Ogden, UT
    April 29, 2014 9:16 a.m.

    I am a conservative and usually vote Republican, but Republicans had better start paying more attention to working class America if they expect to prosper. The pathetic minimum wage and increasingly lax labor standards enforcement are poisoning the economy, AND the attitude of working class Americans. The 1950's and early 1960's were a perfect example of how a buoyant minimum wage supported a growing and stable economy.

  • Jamescmeyer Midwest City, USA, OK
    April 29, 2014 9:15 a.m.

    With full concern of people stuck trying to live off of minimum wage in mind, without any excess in callousness or lack of mercy:

    Mandated minimum wage hikes are not economically sound. They're just not; that's why education is so important. If people want to get jobs doing minimum-wage-level work, there need to be more people doing more educated work so that there are fewer people applying for unskilled labor. That's just how markets work.

    No, as nice as it sounds on the surface to a well-meaning but inexperienced person unfamiliar with history, socialism isn't a favorable answer, because then no one becomes educated because it's not worthwhile.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    April 29, 2014 9:12 a.m.

    So If I were among the Republican operatives who looked to the election issues, I'd let the bill pass in the Senate, with a few safe Republicans to support it, and then it certainly would not pass in the House. According to polls, there is no way the House is threatend with a Democrat take over this November. The Senate however is very much up for grabs. By doing that, the Republicans take the issue away from the Senate and increase their chances of winning it in November.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    April 29, 2014 9:01 a.m.

    LOL. Great! We now give the illusion of helping people by raising people from very poor to just a little bit more than very poor! What a joke. Anybody that thinks raising the mimimum wage will do anything,other than allow those millionaire Democratic lawmakers to assuage their guilt for not doing anything to really help the poor, is ignorant of reality!

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    April 29, 2014 7:56 a.m.

    LOU. Conservatives absolutely do see that! Its liberals who are obsessed with raising the minimum wage. Conservatives believe productivity produces prosperity, not minimum wages.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    April 29, 2014 7:42 a.m.

    A higher starting wage attracts better workers. Better workers produce better quality and service. Better quality and service means more business. More business means more profit. Why cannot Conservatives see this!

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    April 29, 2014 7:13 a.m.

    Obsession with raising the minimum wage is not the answer. More high paying jobs is the answer!

  • Itsjstmeagain Merritt Island, Fl
    April 29, 2014 6:21 a.m.

    When I see a Corp. who make Billions and treat the employees like indentured slaves, I ask is there justice.
    When these Corp quietly receive subsidies in the form of Public Assistance for the employees then it is past time to balance the books. Others may say "find another job" which is fine, but just where were these jobs when huge tax breaks were given to "job creators"? That money in the Trillions went to overseas banks waiting for the economy to improve and they were given a free pass to repatriate their illegal funds back into the Corp coffers.

  • netjes Grand Rapids, MI
    April 28, 2014 10:58 p.m.

    If you want to raise someone's raise, offer him a job for more money than he's making now.