Affordable Care Act only chips away at a core goal

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  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    April 23, 2014 9:42 a.m.

    To "one vote' but even on that one item, the ACA has failed.

    According to Forbes "49-State Analysis: Obamacare To Increase Individual-Market Premiums By Average Of 41%" the cost of insurance has gone up for people in most states. Only 8 states saw a decrease in premiums. Nevada's premiums went up by 179%.

    How does raising the cost of premiums by an average of 41% lower the cost of insurance? Do you pay more to save money?

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    April 22, 2014 5:53 p.m.

    ACA s effort to maximize insurance coverage which will lower costs. Great to see it working so well.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    April 22, 2014 12:08 p.m.

    I don't think that the liberals actually read the article. The people in the article got insurance, but still cannot afford to go to the doctor. If the goal is to get people to the doctor's office rather than the ER, the ACA is a failure. What good does the insurance do for the average person if they can't afford the high deductables?

    To "cmsense" so far no bankruptcies have been avoided, and we probably will have more because of the ACA.

    In the article it described the nurse who was able to buy insurance. However, if she has a medical problem and doesn't have the money to pay for a doctor's visit or ER visit she doesn't go. She said that if she goes to the ER that she will have a debt to that hospital. The typical bankruptcy for medical bills involves a few thousand dollars, which would probably be just a few visits to the ER.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    April 22, 2014 11:26 a.m.

    "After all it was Republicans in Congress who REFUSED to participate in designing ObamaCare.

    That's right. Obama practically begged them to help shape the law, but they snubbed him. . . That's right, Republicans in Congress refused to help legislate the MOST IMPORTANT LAW of the 21st century."

    Guys, what GaryO is really saying is that the Democrats NEED Republican input, otherwise they can't make a successful law. If only the Republicans had helped, it might be a good law.

    The others are right. Obama did not want Republican input. That quote you said was simply a quote. Actions speak louder than words. Here's another quote from Obama: "You can keep your doctor. Period." To give you an idea of how little a quote can mean, here's an example from a European leader last century:

    "First, we swear to yield to no force whatever in restoration of the honor of our people... Secondly, we pledge that now, more than ever, we shall strive for an understanding between the European peoples, especially for one with our Western neighbor nations... We have no territorial demands to make in Europe!... Germany will never break the peace!" -- Hitler, 1936

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    April 22, 2014 10:50 a.m.

    Marxist: Perhaps if anyone that believes in Marx or Socialism would outline where there is any personal responsibility involved in government sponsored healthcare or any other government idea, more would be more apt to listen! Since I have never heard, once, how they would intend to do it, is it any wonder that any one with any common sense would reject it! I'm a listener, however foolish it may be to continue to do so, so please give me a plan that I can support!

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    April 22, 2014 10:36 a.m.

    Gary O: This is what I learned, but I learned it 40 years ago! The Democratic War on Poverty, something that was supposed to end poverty, was a ruse then to gain more money and power but nothing else. No problems were solved. The War on Poverty only got worse. Government made people more dependent, less able to function as a free responsible moral being, and destroyed initiative, almost to the utter destruction of cultures, including the black culture, the very people that it was supposed to help. How much further objective reality do you need before you whimper "uncle?" Health Care is not right and it has nothing to do with right or left; It has everything to do with compassion, charity, and goodness freely expressed without government aid or intrusion. Government destroys charity. Government destroys initiative. Government ruins lives, abuses the people that need help the most, and burdens future generations with its corruption of that which is good and true! Independent minded people recognize this and without hesitation stand up for what this country needs to do to change so as to help everyone. It isn't ObamaCare!

  • Shane333 Cedar Hills, UT
    April 22, 2014 9:06 a.m.


    Your entire argument fails because it is based on the notion that the government has a responsibility to force people to buy insurance. Government regulations is one reason for increased costs in the market, and instead of minimizing government regulation, the ACA is an effort to maximize regulation. The natural economic result will be increased costs, which is why so many in the private market have seen increases in premiums over the past year or two.
    Republican refusal to be a part of the ACA is a manifestation of Republican intelligence and wisdom (which they haven't always shown in other regards).

  • ordinaryfolks seattle, WA
    April 22, 2014 8:57 a.m.

    Those who see that health care costs go up because of the ACA have not been paying attention to the rises in health care costs before the law fully kicked in this past year. I just looked over bills from the previous 15 years, and my costs have sky rocketed up to unimaginable amounts. The ACA did not cause this.
    Discovering what is the cause is work. Our politicians generally don't like to do this kind of hard work. They generally would like to cast blame on the other guy, frighten the voter, and posture rather than solve a problem. And we now have politicians who don't see any problems that an unfettered free market would not solve.
    Why we don't look at other western style democracies and see what they do with health care and costs is beyond me. However, this might involve work, and a realization that our positions on the issue have been wrong.
    We are stuck. Unless you have Bill Gates money, (or on Social Security) you are stuck paying outrageous bills for medical care one way or another.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    April 22, 2014 8:48 a.m.


    So Obama "begged" for GOP input on the ACA? He actually wanted to work with the other side to come up with a system that included compromises so both sides had things they liked? He was really willing to listen to and consider a possible solution that was different in any way than the one he was proposing? Is that what you are saying? Are you really serious???

    This president is the most uncompromising president I can ever remember. He never wants to even hear, let alone consider a proposal from a conservative. If he can't get his way though normal channels, he just tries to go around congress, the law, and the constitution to do it anyway.

  • Coach Biff Lehi, UT
    April 22, 2014 8:07 a.m.

    Wow, liberals, keep drinking that spoon fed Kool-Aid. Just because a lie is repeated several times doesn't make it any more true.

  • Thinkin\' Man Rexburg, ID
    April 22, 2014 7:48 a.m.

    The ACA (an incredible misnomer) is not about health care or affordability, it is about insurance. It does not in the slightest way address the root problem -- high health care costs. It does absolutely nothing to drive down costs by doing simple things like increasing competition, discouraging high overhead charges, reducing health care provider expenses, or encouraging more efficient use of health care.

    When a measure fails to address its purported topic, it is doomed to become nothing but a fiasco (which is evident already).

  • Jamescmeyer Midwest City, USA, OK
    April 22, 2014 7:32 a.m.

    Mandating socialist-style insurance doesn't improve anyone's healthcare. Military TRI-Care works similarly; sure I'm "covered", but I have to wait weeks to see anyone when I'm hurt or really sick, and they avoid doing anything as much as they can.

    It's a shame there are millions of people who have no health insurance, but there are two considerations that don't get brought up: First, their ER visits and use of "safety nets" offers them greater actual healthcare than many places in the world, even places with with state-sponsered "healthcare". Second, the fix isn't socialism; it's helping them become educated and self-sufficient enough to afford health insurance.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    April 22, 2014 7:30 a.m.

    The result of anti-ACA at all costs is demonstrated by the last election. Romney rode that plank to huge loss when everything was at stake. Lots of eggs in that basket.

  • Turtle Owasso, OK
    April 22, 2014 4:01 a.m.


    "Haven't you noticed? Republicans fail a lot, and then they blame Democrats."

    Just who is playing the blame game? The current president is still blaming Bush for just about everything. Just who pretends that they want to negotiate and then turns around and castigates the opposition?

    BTW, wait until November and let's see how the American people feel about the ACA. There aren't many Democrats who are running on the success of the ACA...

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    April 22, 2014 12:01 a.m.

    I wonder how many people in Utah are being kept from coverage because of non-participation in ACA - medicaid. My pregnant daughter has been delayed in getting coverage because of this. Believe me if problems arise I know just who to blame in the legislature, and others will too.

  • David Centerville, UT
    April 21, 2014 11:31 p.m.

    As I said before. Obama would never…lie. When he plead for Republicans to help, he wanted political liability to be shared. Republicans didn't bite at that bad worm (the ACA). Democrats own this mess all by themselves.

    Republicans tried to present market-driven ideas. Obviously with a socialist-leaning Democratic congress and president, those ideas wouldn't go very far.

    I've noticed Democrats fail a lot and blame…Bush.

    It's really not Republicans fault that Harry Reid and the Democratic Senate is so lazy, irresponsible, politically naive, incompetent, and a danger to themselves and others that they refuse to pass a budget, and to take up a number of bills because they don't want to actually do anything. Is it?

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    April 21, 2014 10:47 p.m.

    Obama's plea to Republicans that I quoted came before the ACA was passed. Look it up.

    Republicans had plenty of opportunity to participate, but they refused and tried to trash the bill. Of course they failed,

    Haven't you noticed? Republicans fail a lot, and then they blame Democrats.

    But it's really not the Dems' fault that Republicans in Congress are so lazy, irresponsible, politically naive, incompetent, and a danger to themselves and others . . . Is it?

  • David Centerville, UT
    April 21, 2014 10:29 p.m.


    If Obama says he tried to get Republicans to join in crafting the health care law, then it must be true because Obama has never…lied.

    Republicans were shut out of the process. You heard the president say it himself. "Republicans can come along. But they'll have to ride in the back of the bus".

    Obama was happy to have Republican leaders in the room. But he expected them to nod their heads and stay quiet. When Republicans proposed market solutions, Democrats and the president ignored them. Now we have a wholly Democrat- crafted structure that needs to be retooled or it won't survive. Just wait until after the election in November when all of the postponed provisions start to kick in. Why were they postponed? Because of the damage they would/will do to individuals, businesses, and the country…and to Democrats seeking re-election.

  • cmsense Kaysville, UT
    April 21, 2014 10:13 p.m.

    8 million chips and counting and that doesn't include the "kids" under 26 who were added to their parents plans. Uninsured Americans before the ACA 46 million....Currently 32 million. How many bankruptcies have been prevented? How many people with pre exhisting conditions are celebrating the end of being denied coverage after being forced to go through a long process of HMO underwriting? If the 24 states who haven't expanded medicaid expanded medicaid, millions more would be covered. People are too quick to discount the human cost lack of insurance or lack of access to healtcare results in.
    The right to buy healthcare alone with the ability to know what the prices of various plans will be in advance without having to beg HMO's to cover them is cause to celebrate. Before you had to dig up every health condition you ever had in the past with the threat of denial of coverage or being called out for fraud if you forgot something and then they would tell you a price and had a $7500 "co pay" for maternity. If you don't know what I"m talking about, you have't shopped in the individual market.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    April 21, 2014 9:10 p.m.

    Mountanman -

    " Obamcare is doing more harm than any good."


    The CBO said in 2013, "In our current projections for 2023, the ACA reduces the number of people without health insurance by 25 million, leaving 31 million uninsured"

    Looks like it's doing some good.

    Actually "Conservative" America is doing more harm than good, and they've been doing more harm than good for a looooooooooooooooong time.

    How many many uninsured people would have gotten coverage if not for ObamaCare?

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    April 21, 2014 8:28 p.m.

    The CBO has said that in 10 years the number of uninsured will actually increase because people will not be able to afford the higher deductibles, co-pays and premiums. Obamcare is doing more harm than any good.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    April 21, 2014 5:24 p.m.

    Hey Shane333 -

    If you have complaints about the ACA, why don't you take it up with the Republicans who represent you in Congress.

    After all it was Republicans in Congress who REFUSED to participate in designing ObamaCare.

    That's right. Obama practically begged them to help shape the law, but they snubbed him.

    ""I want to consult closely with our Republican colleagues," Obama said. "What I want to do is to ask them to put their ideas on the table. . . . I want to come back and have a large meeting, Republicans and Democrats, to go through, systematically, all the best ideas that are out there and move it forward." - Barack Hussein Obama

    That's right, Republicans in Congress refused to help legislate the MOST IMPORTANT LAW of the 21st century.

    Really Shane333, your dissatisfaction with ObamaCare is no one's fault but yours and your Republican representatives in Congress.

    Obama didn't vote for them. I didn't vote for them. Democrats did not vote for them.

    YOU did.

    Remember that in November, and try to learn from past mistakes.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    April 21, 2014 4:47 p.m.

    The 'core goal' should be health care for everyone, health insurance for no one. That's where the ACA fell far short.

  • Shane333 Cedar Hills, UT
    April 21, 2014 4:31 p.m.

    If this is supposedly caused by Conservatives and Conservative states, then why are Californians experiencing so much difficulty finding California providers that want to participate in ACA health insurance plans?

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    April 21, 2014 4:06 p.m.

    The main problem is the 24 "Conservative" states who are happy to obstruct progress and let their their citizens suffer without health insurance.

    "Conservative" leaders are always willing to sacrifice the poor and the middle class in attempts to advance their unworkable Right Wing ideology.

  • Shane333 Cedar Hills, UT
    April 21, 2014 3:49 p.m.

    The economic rules of supply and demand haven't changed. The insurance offered through the ACA exchanges, to keep premiums down, has often reduced the actual payments offered to providers (doctors). To make up for this the consumer either has to pay more out of pocket or else the providers will simply refuse to accept ACA insurance plans.

    You can read about this at MedCity News under "Covered California takes down doctor list because of too much bad data"

    And at San Jose Mercury News under "California doctors, insurers face off over reimbursement rates"

    And at CBS San Francisco under "ConsumerWatch: Some Covered California Patients Say They Can’t See A Doctor"

    Obamacare hasn't addressed the actual challenge: actual costs of modern healthcare. It merely forces people to get insurance even if the insurance isn't worth much.