Judge set to issue key Ohio gay marriage ruling

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  • Candied Ginger Brooklyn, OH
    April 17, 2014 3:13 p.m.

    We are pretty excited about this.

    Means we won't have ER "which one is the real mother?" static in the ER or doctor office. Means we can buy a house as a legal couple, not as legal roommates. Means the state will have to recognize us as a couple. Means... well... it means a lot.

    Thanks, Judge Black.

  • Stephen Daedalus Arvada, CO
    April 15, 2014 1:41 p.m.

    Agreed with @Tiago on how the curious angles the 'best interest of children' are being played.

    To read the Ohio order, Google: 1-14-cv-00129-28.

    Unlike Utah, the Ohio case had as plaintiffs SSM adoptive parents (meaning, they were legally married in NY, and legally adopted a child from Ohio). The Ohio judge hammered home the Windsor reasoning that children of legal SSM's are harmed if these kids are deprived of specific rights and privileges due to unequal treatment of the child by the government due solely to the gender of his/her legally married parents.

    A bit of tangent: the current "Ask Angela" has readers provide guidance to a woman wondering if she should marry a 'so-so' man (her words). Among the 60 or so posts, there was only a single passing reference to parenting but nothing re: the so-called "pro-creative" purpose of marriage. Instead, woven throughout, the words: love, commitment, respect, happiness, companionship, attraction. I mention this because Utah's legal briefs play up the child-centric purpose of marriage but in this generous and unfiltered discussion, readers share what they believe to be most important to them in marriage.

  • Tiago Seattle, WA
    April 15, 2014 1:07 p.m.

    You're right, marriage should be looked at in terms of children. Last Thursday, Utah's attorney, Gene Schaerr acknowledged children of gay couples who marry legally and then move to Utah "would likely be better off" if their parents were allowed to be legally married in Utah.
    When Justice Kennedy wrote the majority opinion for the Supreme Court decision to strike down DOMA, he wrote it "humiliates tens of thousands of children now being raised by same-sex couples. The law in question makes it even more difficult for the children to understand the integrity and closeness of their own family and its concord with other families in their community and in their daily lives."
    I have read the court filings and most of the amicus briefs in the Utah case and am convinced legalizing same-sex marriage is in the best interest of children.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    April 15, 2014 11:11 a.m.

    Washington, DC

    Society has no responsibility to lie and say that a person has XY chromosomes instead of XX just because the person feels that way.

    6:25 a.m. April 15, 2014


    When you figure out the difference between Same Sex attraction and Gender Identity,
    get back to us.

  • dmcvey Los Angeles, CA
    April 15, 2014 8:57 a.m.

    So, rhappahannock, you want to make marriage between infertile couple illegal? You want to make marriage between senior citizens illegal?

    And your tales of abuse were pretty much performed by people who identify as heterosexuals. For that matter, there's plenty of abuse that happens between people of the opposite genders--so should we make heterosexual marriage illegal for that reason?

  • RFLASH Salt Lake City, UT
    April 15, 2014 8:55 a.m.

    I think it is sad that people feel a need to degrade others! people have a need to tear others down, and because somebody feels I am inferior, I should have to live my life according to how they view me! That is pathetic, if you think about it!.
    I have been with my partner for 15 years and it has been good! My life would have been empty without him! It just wouldn't have been the same. Sorry that others have the belief that I am immoral, but I do not, and I I don't believe that God gave them the right to decide something so important. It is clear that much of what we find in religion is based on prejudice and discrimination. There always has to be the bad guy! I don't even try to change the beliefs of others. All of our lives we have been walked on, and people know it. Think about the words that are used to describe gay people. Do you know what is like to have people you care about degrade you in this way? Many of us grew up among you and we do believe in God!

  • ReadMineFirst Ft. Collins, CO
    April 15, 2014 8:26 a.m.

    The posture of the little boy in this photograph speaks volumes.

  • rhappahannock Washington, DC
    April 15, 2014 6:25 a.m.

    I think marriage needs to be looked at in terms of children. While gay protesters were violently protesting a church service in San Francisco, they chanted "We want your children. Give us your children." There have been g-y sex abuse scandals involving preists, scout leaders, coaches and teachers.

    Society has no responsibility to encourage sexual behavior that is not biologically sound. Society has no responsibility to lie and say that a person has XY chromosomes instead of XX just because the person feels that way.

  • Bob K portland, OR
    April 15, 2014 2:15 a.m.

    Later in the day -- but early enough for the DN to have updated it if they wanted, the judge made the obvious ruling.

    I think it would be great for the DN to be helping its readership understand that marriage equality is inevitable, and that denying it to the many, many thousands of lds born Gay denies them an equal place in the church and community to their siblings.

    However, I understand that in some religions, people and newspapers can speak up with "Pope, please talk to God and find a better way", but lds people believe that they cannot call the attention of the prophet to issues, that only God speaks to him.

    Is it stupid for a gentile to say "Please press the prophet to talk more to God on this"?

  • Ranch Here, UT
    April 14, 2014 3:59 p.m.

    "... arguing that Ohio has a sovereign right to ban gay marriage, which voters did overwhelmingly in 2004."

    --- Unless, of course, you do it in violation of the US Constitution's protections for ALL American Citizens.

    The march of equality will not be stopped.

  • koseighty The Shire, UT
    April 14, 2014 11:00 a.m.

    Freedom will not be stopped.