Millions on the sidelines for big health care push

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  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 26, 2014 7:02 a.m.

    to: My2Cents Can you show us those countries where the health care is substandard? The United States is one of the last industrialized country that does not have universal health care for it's citizens. And we also have some of the highest health care costs. Your statement is not backed up by facts.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    March 25, 2014 8:17 a.m.

    Just sign up now, and find out later what's provided with its costs.--Nancy Pelosi

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    March 24, 2014 4:45 p.m.

    your apparent ignorance of the events in 2009 is disconcerting.

    While I generally disagree with you, I did not suspect you were so ill-informed.

    Why would they participate when told up front they would not be part of the discussion?

    I remember it well, they were told they could get on the bus, but would have to sit in the back. They had their plan posted on the internet for all to see (as BO PROMISED would happen with ALL bills during his adminsitration - we know that turned out to be just another of his lies)

    Just because they would not dignify the rigged proceedings by participation does NOT mean they did not have an alternative. I remember it well. My thing is, if the dems are going to tell the repubs they are not welcome to participate, they should not object to repubs complaining about the disastrous results.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    March 24, 2014 3:51 p.m.

    @ Mountanman, uh, yeah, in large part, yes. What do you think the GOP has been doing for the past four years? Where have you been?

    @ lost in DC, the GOP really didn't have an idea or a specific plan. In 2009, they deliberately walked away and didn't participate in the discussions. There were no legislative proposals in committee or in conference. Nothing. It was a deliberate choice. I remember it well. My thing is, if they are going to complain, put up or shut up. But they won't.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    March 24, 2014 3:10 p.m.

    "Sven, as with all the right-wing extremists, said nothing and presented no information to substantiate his meaningless claims."

    TOO FUNNY!!!
    yes, please tell us where in YOUR comment you presented ANY information other than your opinion as to why this monstrosity is failing.

    yarrlydarb, as will all left-wing BO apologists, said nothing and presented no onformation to substantiate his meaningless claims.

    he certainly qualifies as a left-wing BO apologist, those who make a lot of excuses for miserabley failed policies but spend their time debating and blaming the other side for their own failures, never bothering to look in the mirror.


    oh, please stop, my side ache!

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    March 24, 2014 2:09 p.m.

    Yarrlydarb's response to Sven's comment:

    Sven, as with all the right-wing extremists, said nothing and presented no information to substantiate his meaningless claims.

    He certainly qualifies for a teapartier and a right-wing Republican, those who make a lot of noise but spend their time debating, never even agreeing on what to do.

    The worst decisions are no decisions at all while wasting time obstructing efforts of anyone else who at least wants to work on finding solutions.

  • Sven Morgan, UT
    March 24, 2014 10:55 a.m.

    yarrlydarb said:

    "Yes, and the real reason is: All the negative, unsubstantiated accusations and obstructive activities of the right-wing extremists!"

    At some point, you folks on the Left are going to have to deal with the reality if this disaster. Why don't you actually address the statistics and numbers showing what a failure Obamacare really is? Simple, you can't!

    The actions of your Dear Leader confirm what a disaster this is. You can blame the GOP all you want, but the fact remains, not one Republican voted for this disaster. If Obamacare is so good, how come Obama continues delaying key provisions of it? If Obamacare is so good, why are Leftists desperately trying to get people to sign up before March 31?

    The Democrats including Former Speaker Nancy Pelosi did not allow the Republicans to adequately read this horrible legislation. Remember her words: "...we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of controversy."

    The Left and Democrats own this disaster. If Obamacare is so good, it should be able to stand on its own merits.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    March 24, 2014 10:06 a.m.

    So you get someone else to pay for 2/3 of your insurance and you’re good. Who cares about the millions that Obamacare has hurt just as long as you benefit?

    The GOP offered an alternative in 2009, nancy and harry would not give it the time of day. Now they are left with the task of fixing this obvious disaster, which is more difficult than getting it right the first time. You are correct, they have not yet come up with a unified solution, but I’d rather they took their time and got it right than cobbled together another disastrous monstrosity like Obamacare. I think I’ve discovered the new liberal motto: If you think the problems are bad, just wait till you see our solutions!

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    March 24, 2014 10:07 a.m.

    "‘Millions on the sidelines for big health care push'"

    Yes, and the real reason is: All the negative, unsubstantiated accusations and obstructive activities of the right-wing extremists!

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    March 24, 2014 9:59 a.m.

    Ever since Reagan the GOP has failed to provied America with leadership. We can cry if we want be we have to be honest with ourselves that the Democrats get things done while the GOP seems to be like a dog chasing it's tail. The ACA is here to stay, at least until 2017.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    March 24, 2014 9:03 a.m.

    Esquire. Its the GOP's fault so few are signing up for Obamacare? lol

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    March 24, 2014 8:48 a.m.

    What we see are a couple of things. First, the Republicans have gotten through to many in their attempt to undermine the ACA. It would be one thing if they offered a real alternative, but they don't. Recently, the plan to vote on an alternative was killed because the Republicans can't even agree amongst themselves. Second, leaving decisions up to the states is nonsense, for lots of reasons. What we need is a single payer insurance system like the rest of the Western world. Maybe then we can raise our health outcome from near thrid world status. If anyone things our system is working out for the whole of the people, they are dead wrong. People are making lots of money, but that's about all that is working. Kind of sad, really.

  • slcdenizen t-ville, UT
    March 24, 2014 7:40 a.m.

    @ patriot

    Your comments are much appreciated. In terms of churning out educated voters who reject specious and empty arguments, the tea party mindset, although frustrating to witness, will produce the best results for the future. At some point, adults learn that the world is complicated and not easily understood. By dismissing ideas and political movements offhandedly without presenting an initial understanding to begin with, readers of those opinions are given a baseline to make their own judgments. It's kind of like choosing a car by ruling out the oldest and least dependable first.

  • Itsjstmeagain Merritt Island, Fl
    March 24, 2014 7:28 a.m.

    The law is good, you need to tune out the hate machine.

    My insurance is over $1300 a month. I pay 1/3 of it. I had a heart procedure done (Ablation) with an overnight tostabilize my blood thinner. My hospital bill, not Dr. was $69,000. Not only did I pay for the uninsured but probably adopted a few.

    A better solution is a Single Payer System, Medicare for all. Stop the abuse of the insurance industry. That was the first proposal, The Congress said if it bypassed the Insurance industry it was DOA. This is the "compromise".

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    March 24, 2014 7:26 a.m.

    Obamacare forces some people to work for that which they will not receive so others may receive that which they did not work for! We used to call that slavery but now its called "wealth redistribution and social justice". I guess that is what Obama meant when he promised to "fundamentally transform America".

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    March 24, 2014 6:21 a.m.

    The target audience, those without coverage, has not changed. It's still 30 million people.
    Well, some people thought Obama was giving away insurance. They aren't interested if you have to pay for it. Others didn't realize how expensive the premiums would be.
    Sure, there's a group of people out there who signed up because the system told them they could get Medicaid.
    And there are those with preexisting conditions and expensive treatments who rushed to get covered.
    But that only means they will need more healthy people to pay for their care.
    In the end the needle hasn't moved. But people who liked their plan got a very different experience. And more will come as the company plans are worked over this year and next.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    March 24, 2014 5:35 a.m.

    Its a shameless scandal proving that socialized health care will not work and never has worked whit many samples in other countries that prove is no good.

    There are 3 financial fronts that anyone who signs up for the ACA and only 2 are being exposed. Not only must people sign up for and pay the premiums, they have to pay and additional $6,000-$12,000 prepay before they can file a claim with Obama's plans, there is the fallout fees from local states and federal governemtn to make everyone who uses any money from the ACA.

    There are the after death repayment tax penalties on everyone's family inheritances of life insurance, retirement funds, and property as tax debts. In other words, to have and use Obama care destroys all hesitance and financial and real property of the users becomes federal property so no one can inherit any wealth from their parents.

    If eligible for medicaid or medicare we can't afford to buy it or want to buy it. Otherwise family inherits nothing from an estate and exorbitant cost in prepayment and secret tax liens that steals property are more than most can pay.

  • Sven Morgan, UT
    March 23, 2014 11:04 p.m.

    Dr. Thom said:

    "On the other hand I would rather have the government pay the deductible then have it come out of my own pocket for insurance..."

    Uh, Dr. Thom, it's not the government who'll be picking up the tab for your deductibles, it will be your fellow citizen's through an ever increasing tax burden. In particular, it will be the young who are going to be expected to pay the lions share for folks like you. Most young people typically are in good health, and will be taking very little out of the system.

    Sadly, your mindset is becoming prevalent in our nation. It is sad what our young people will be inheriting. Be sure to thank young college age folks when you see them. Tell them thanks for paying for your healthcare.

  • Sven Morgan, UT
    March 23, 2014 9:26 p.m.

    Talk about mixed messages. On one hand, we have the Left telling us how wonderful Obamacare will be. It will reduce health insurance costs for families; it will provide health insurance for those previously uninsured; it will cover preexisting conditions, etc. Nancy Pelosi said: “…we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of controversy.”

    Any Obamacare cheerleaders care to explain how the following square with these assertions?:

    1) After 4.7 million Americans lost their health insurance under the “Individual Mandate” portion of this disaster, Obama, with no input from Congress decided that these people could keep their coverage for an unspecified period of time. Only one problem, if the insurance providers do this, they’ll be breaking the law

    2) Obama delayed the “Employer Mandate” portion of Obamacare for businesses with 50-99 employees until 2016.

    3) Only 4.2 million have actually signed up during the open enrollment; the goal was 7 million.

    4) Only about 14% of the Exchange Sign-ups were previously uninsured.

    5) Current efforts to shamelessly sell this disaster.

    Fact is, people are now finding out what a disaster this really is.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 23, 2014 9:00 p.m.

    If the law was good you wouldn't have to beg people to sign up.

  • Dr. Thom Long Beach, CA
    March 23, 2014 7:50 p.m.

    My $6,000 deductible ACA plan cost be nothing since I make under $68,000 for a family of five, but is still catastrophic and for the most part unusable unless I get hit by a truck or exceed the annual deductible which is $12,000 for the entire family. On the other hand I would rather have the government pay the deductible then have it come out of my own pocket for insurance, else I would just pay the fine rather than be forced to purchase a product from a private company.

    Whats next, CARS?