Why waste money on educating the next generation, when we can give em' a
gun and send them to fight wars for the military industrial machine. Pay no bid
contractors billions and $14 an hour to our troops. This Freebee for Business is
"good" to our conservative friends. Anything that might help someone,
who isn't a business that can donate millions to campaign war chests
doesn't count anymore.Community Colleges should serve the
community, society grows when it works together, this "I built it all by my
self" and have but myself to thank, is nonsense perpetuated by arrogance and
selfish ideals, that are somehow praise worthy.
The word free, has led our country into a debt we can't climb out of.
@ DN Subscriber:Half of a teachers time is doing paper work
restricting them of teaching. Some of it related to a standardized test.You'd be amazed at how much of a teachers time is wasted by other
silly requirements placed on them.
Be honest.Junior college is actually more of a remedial education to
fill the deficiencies from our mediocre (and declining) high school programs.
Even 4 year colleges spend a lot of effort getting kids up to the level they
need to be to start as freshmen.We are already paying for high
schools which should be educating kids to a minimum level of competence to get a
decent job. If that is not working, the solution is to fix the high schools,
not add on another "free" (for thee, but paid for by me) educational
level of bloat.Hold students accountable for their accomplishments
in schools, and teachers accountable for their share of failures, and the entire
education establishment accountable for dumbing down free public education so
that it fails to teach minimum life and employment skills, but has plenty of
feel good and politically correct nonsense.
Let's make cars, and houses free!Look at all the jobs it would
create,-then we can have wage increases to power the economy.Wow!Obama is starting to make sense.
@ cavetrol. Large families actually do pay more in taxes because they buy more
food, more clothing, more everything and thus pay more sales taxes, which as you
know goes into the state coffers. In my case, not only have I raised a large
family and paid lots of sales taxes as a result, I pay much more in property
taxes than any of my neighbors. That because I choose to own some expensive,
highly taxed property! Never did any of my neighbors thank me for educating
Hmmm...another issue where both sides engage in interminable, sometimes bitter
debate where any particular ideology can never solve the issue. Sadly, we will
always have those willing to pay more to assist the less fortunate, countered by
those who game the system--no matter what the system is. The inherent danger
that exists is simply that when the gamers outnumber the payers, no one
benefits, and the entire society teeters on the verge of collapse. Seems to me
that when we have surfboarders calling their lollygagging a "career",
we'd better get serious about checking the numbers on both sides before we
make decisions based solely on ideological debates and political platforms.
There used to be a social contract in America -- taxpayers paid for
children's education, and when those graduates entered the workforce with
good-paying jobs (available only to those with educations), they'd pay
taxes to help the next generation. As those workers retired, the next
generation would pay taxes to cover those retirees' Medicare and social
security. That was how the system was designed. Workers essentially paid taxes
to cover the previous and next generations' social benefits (education and
social security/Medicare).Sadly, that system has eroded as
policymakers strive to cut social needs and taxes for both youth and retirees.
The basic engine of our economy -- a high-educated workforce -- is eroding,
which will put us behind other nations that value education (e.g., India and
China). If you think about America's economic prosperity in
the 20th century, its foundation was the GI Bill where veterans could get
government support for going to college. Our greatest generation not only
rescued the world from Hitler, but built the most prosperous middle class the
world had ever seen... sadly, that model has died the death of a thousand tax
Wanna know why education is so expensive? Because it's subsidized. Wanna
know why health care is so expensive? Because it's subsidized. Wanna know
why so many people are on food stamps? Wanna know why so many people are on
welfare? Wanna know why taxes are so high?Do you want to know how to fix
all these problems? Hold individuals accountable- accountable as students,
accountable as parents, accountable as citizens, accountable as public servants
(is that still a valid description?), fiscally accountable, morally accountable,
ethically accountable. It's possible to get a four-year degree
without debt, grants, scholarships, or loans. Companies used to offer tuition
assistance and all participants had a vested interested to see that classes were
completed successfully. Corporate tax rates, economic meddling, and national
debt have all but eliminated that opportunity. If the government would just get
out of the way and stop enabling universities to jack up their tuition and
uncommitted students from wasting classroom space, we would see more people
being empowered to lift themselves up out of necessity and fewer people sunning
themselves on the beach at the taxpayer's expense.
Thid Barker"Free tuition? When will people learn that there is no such
thing as "free"? Someone will have to pay and guess who it will
be?"So can I assume you agree large families should pay more in
taxes for their children's education?
It is a great idea! As one in the fifties who attended Junior College in
California completing two years, then transferred to a university, one attest
to the financial value of a low cost two year college. The students paid no
tuition, but paid 3$'s a unit. New books 5 to 10$'s, used 3$'s.
Those were the good days when an education was made available even to the
poorest of the poor.
@thid Well considering the research that clearly show people with
college educations make significantly more. Money Whichh means they pays more
taxes and are more likely to own business which provide jobs and a wider tax
base therefore generate more taxe revenue over thier lifetime, i think it is
safe to say that the tax payers have been receiving good returns on GZE's
education for a while know. Maybe you should thank him for taking the time to
get an education.
So... everyone I know that doesn't have a college degree, yet makes $14 an
hour... they somehow don't have livable wages anymore?It seems
"livable" has been "redefined" to include "able to buy every
new iPhone and toy I want".This is like the girl who tried to
sue her parents... but on a mass scale.We're in trouble.
Free classes, great, sure...What about all the people who already
graduated? Their degrees are now worth a lot less. Robbing from those who earned
their way to give to those who need help, doesn't make sense. Student loans
are an adequate enough method to give people access to education. Debt
isn't good, but for an education it's a practical investment. If you
won't put the same effort into as others have... then how is that fair?A scholarship is fair, a grant is if you will work to find the right
grant, the right funding, and have a legitimate need. But making a blanket open
system will only devalue other people's work.This is pretty
much the worst idea I've heard since Obamacare!
GZE. It may have been free to you but taxpayers picked up the tab. Did you thank
Community College was free when I went in the 70s.
To "optic yellow" to be clear, I do not support this effort. However,
it does have one saving grace over highschool. The kids going to the Community
Colleges are doing so by choice, so that at least eliminates some of the waste.
I'm completely for States coming up with viable solutions to make higher
education more affordable - especially "gateway" institutions like
community colleges which allow students to get associates/BA degrees and
progress towards graduate and specialized education.This also builds
upon state competition and will boost America's slagging educational
standings (with, as one commentator already mentioned - proper provisions are
placed.) States worried about funding can look to charitable
donations and appropriate tax increases. We need to invest in America's
future amongst a global economy by investing in education - especially at the
Something is too expensive so we just make it free?What a brilliant
Please excuse my lack of eloquence,I would hope that this does not
happen here, unless some provisions are made.For many people, if
they do not have to personally invest $ they are less likely to give it their
all, and likely to give up when it is hard. Look at Utah high schools… for
the student the education is free. How many students waste that opportunity? You could still make community college free, but on the stipulation
that the student must pass the class. If you do not pass, then you owe the cost
of the course, at the end of the semester. Or some sort of percentage: for
a grade of A through C- tuition is waived, any form of D you must repay 50% of
the cost, and 100% for an F.People are more focused when they have
some “skin in the game”
Free tuition? When will people learn that there is no such thing as
"free"? Someone will have to pay and guess who it will be?