States explore free community college

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  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    March 21, 2014 8:29 a.m.

    Why waste money on educating the next generation, when we can give em' a gun and send them to fight wars for the military industrial machine. Pay no bid contractors billions and $14 an hour to our troops. This Freebee for Business is "good" to our conservative friends. Anything that might help someone, who isn't a business that can donate millions to campaign war chests doesn't count anymore.

    Community Colleges should serve the community, society grows when it works together, this "I built it all by my self" and have but myself to thank, is nonsense perpetuated by arrogance and selfish ideals, that are somehow praise worthy.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    March 18, 2014 9:03 a.m.

    The word free, has led our country into a debt we can't climb out of.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    March 17, 2014 8:40 a.m.

    @ DN Subscriber:

    Half of a teachers time is doing paper work restricting them of teaching. Some of it related to a standardized test.

    You'd be amazed at how much of a teachers time is wasted by other silly requirements placed on them.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 17, 2014 6:38 a.m.

    Be honest.

    Junior college is actually more of a remedial education to fill the deficiencies from our mediocre (and declining) high school programs. Even 4 year colleges spend a lot of effort getting kids up to the level they need to be to start as freshmen.

    We are already paying for high schools which should be educating kids to a minimum level of competence to get a decent job. If that is not working, the solution is to fix the high schools, not add on another "free" (for thee, but paid for by me) educational level of bloat.

    Hold students accountable for their accomplishments in schools, and teachers accountable for their share of failures, and the entire education establishment accountable for dumbing down free public education so that it fails to teach minimum life and employment skills, but has plenty of feel good and politically correct nonsense.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    March 16, 2014 6:25 p.m.

    Let's make cars, and houses free!

    Look at all the jobs it would create,-then we can have wage increases to power the economy.


    Obama is starting to make sense.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    March 16, 2014 8:49 a.m.

    @ cavetrol. Large families actually do pay more in taxes because they buy more food, more clothing, more everything and thus pay more sales taxes, which as you know goes into the state coffers. In my case, not only have I raised a large family and paid lots of sales taxes as a result, I pay much more in property taxes than any of my neighbors. That because I choose to own some expensive, highly taxed property! Never did any of my neighbors thank me for educating their children!

    March 16, 2014 6:56 a.m.

    Hmmm...another issue where both sides engage in interminable, sometimes bitter debate where any particular ideology can never solve the issue. Sadly, we will always have those willing to pay more to assist the less fortunate, countered by those who game the system--no matter what the system is. The inherent danger that exists is simply that when the gamers outnumber the payers, no one benefits, and the entire society teeters on the verge of collapse. Seems to me that when we have surfboarders calling their lollygagging a "career", we'd better get serious about checking the numbers on both sides before we make decisions based solely on ideological debates and political platforms.

  • Baron Scarpia Logan, UT
    March 15, 2014 7:39 a.m.

    There used to be a social contract in America -- taxpayers paid for children's education, and when those graduates entered the workforce with good-paying jobs (available only to those with educations), they'd pay taxes to help the next generation. As those workers retired, the next generation would pay taxes to cover those retirees' Medicare and social security. That was how the system was designed. Workers essentially paid taxes to cover the previous and next generations' social benefits (education and social security/Medicare).

    Sadly, that system has eroded as policymakers strive to cut social needs and taxes for both youth and retirees. The basic engine of our economy -- a high-educated workforce -- is eroding, which will put us behind other nations that value education (e.g., India and China).

    If you think about America's economic prosperity in the 20th century, its foundation was the GI Bill where veterans could get government support for going to college. Our greatest generation not only rescued the world from Hitler, but built the most prosperous middle class the world had ever seen... sadly, that model has died the death of a thousand tax cuts...

  • kiddsport Fairview, UT
    March 14, 2014 1:12 p.m.

    Wanna know why education is so expensive? Because it's subsidized. Wanna know why health care is so expensive? Because it's subsidized. Wanna know why so many people are on food stamps? Wanna know why so many people are on welfare? Wanna know why taxes are so high?
    Do you want to know how to fix all these problems? Hold individuals accountable- accountable as students, accountable as parents, accountable as citizens, accountable as public servants (is that still a valid description?), fiscally accountable, morally accountable, ethically accountable.
    It's possible to get a four-year degree without debt, grants, scholarships, or loans. Companies used to offer tuition assistance and all participants had a vested interested to see that classes were completed successfully. Corporate tax rates, economic meddling, and national debt have all but eliminated that opportunity. If the government would just get out of the way and stop enabling universities to jack up their tuition and uncommitted students from wasting classroom space, we would see more people being empowered to lift themselves up out of necessity and fewer people sunning themselves on the beach at the taxpayer's expense.

  • cavetroll SANDY, UT
    March 14, 2014 12:04 p.m.

    Thid Barker
    "Free tuition? When will people learn that there is no such thing as "free"? Someone will have to pay and guess who it will be?"

    So can I assume you agree large families should pay more in taxes for their children's education?

  • Joan Watson TWIN FALLS, ID
    March 14, 2014 10:01 a.m.

    It is a great idea! As one in the fifties who attended Junior College in California completing two years, then transferred to a university, one attest to the financial value of a low cost two year college. The students paid no tuition, but paid 3$'s a unit. New books 5 to 10$'s, used 3$'s. Those were the good days when an education was made available even to the poorest of the poor.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    March 13, 2014 11:36 p.m.


    Well considering the research that clearly show people with college educations make significantly more. Money Whichh means they pays more taxes and are more likely to own business which provide jobs and a wider tax base therefore generate more taxe revenue over thier lifetime, i think it is safe to say that the tax payers have been receiving good returns on GZE's education for a while know. Maybe you should thank him for taking the time to get an education.

  • I know it. I Live it. I Love it. Provo, UT
    March 13, 2014 7:50 p.m.

    So... everyone I know that doesn't have a college degree, yet makes $14 an hour... they somehow don't have livable wages anymore?

    It seems "livable" has been "redefined" to include "able to buy every new iPhone and toy I want".

    This is like the girl who tried to sue her parents... but on a mass scale.

    We're in trouble.

  • I know it. I Live it. I Love it. Provo, UT
    March 13, 2014 7:46 p.m.

    Free classes, great, sure...

    What about all the people who already graduated? Their degrees are now worth a lot less. Robbing from those who earned their way to give to those who need help, doesn't make sense. Student loans are an adequate enough method to give people access to education. Debt isn't good, but for an education it's a practical investment. If you won't put the same effort into as others have... then how is that fair?

    A scholarship is fair, a grant is if you will work to find the right grant, the right funding, and have a legitimate need. But making a blanket open system will only devalue other people's work.

    This is pretty much the worst idea I've heard since Obamacare!

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    March 13, 2014 12:28 p.m.

    GZE. It may have been free to you but taxpayers picked up the tab. Did you thank them?

    March 13, 2014 12:04 p.m.

    Community College was free when I went in the 70s.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    March 13, 2014 12:01 p.m.

    To "optic yellow" to be clear, I do not support this effort. However, it does have one saving grace over highschool. The kids going to the Community Colleges are doing so by choice, so that at least eliminates some of the waste.

  • Reflectere Utah, UT
    March 13, 2014 11:43 a.m.

    I'm completely for States coming up with viable solutions to make higher education more affordable - especially "gateway" institutions like community colleges which allow students to get associates/BA degrees and progress towards graduate and specialized education.

    This also builds upon state competition and will boost America's slagging educational standings (with, as one commentator already mentioned - proper provisions are placed.)

    States worried about funding can look to charitable donations and appropriate tax increases. We need to invest in America's future amongst a global economy by investing in education - especially at the State level.

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    March 13, 2014 10:28 a.m.

    Something is too expensive so we just make it free?

    What a brilliant idea!

  • optic yellow Ogden, UT
    March 13, 2014 9:50 a.m.

    Please excuse my lack of eloquence,

    I would hope that this does not happen here, unless some provisions are made.

    For many people, if they do not have to personally invest $ they are less likely to give it their all, and likely to give up when it is hard. Look at Utah high schools… for the student the education is free. How many students waste that opportunity?

    You could still make community college free, but on the stipulation that the student must pass the class. If you do not pass, then you owe the cost of the course, at the end of the semester.
    Or some sort of percentage: for a grade of A through C- tuition is waived, any form of D you must repay 50% of the cost, and 100% for an F.

    People are more focused when they have some “skin in the game”

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    March 13, 2014 9:42 a.m.

    Free tuition? When will people learn that there is no such thing as "free"? Someone will have to pay and guess who it will be?