'Snake Salvation' co-star's death after snakebite in church service doesn't shake faith

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  • Brahmabull sandy, ut
    Feb. 27, 2014 8:34 a.m.

    Red Headed Stranger

    Clearly, some mormon teachings are against science. There are several studies showing how moderate alcohol consumption is beneficial to the body... But I would venture a guess that you will dismiss those studies and claim that god knows best on that subject, correct? I also wonder how Joseph Smith got the word of wisdom revelation, and that we ignore a great portion of it today. One can be temple worthy and eat way too much meat, but 1 beer and he is banned....

  • Red Headed Stranger Billy Bobs, TX
    Feb. 27, 2014 8:02 a.m.

    Chris (pt 3)

    Some time ago (my wife) and I visited a third-world country where sanitary conditions were much poorer than ours. We joined with a delegation of other doctors from all over the world. The president of our group, an experienced traveler, warned of risks. In order to avoid water that might be contaminated, we were even counseled to brush our teeth with an alcoholic beverage. We chose not to follow that counsel, but simply did what we had learned to do once a month. We fasted that first day, thinking we could introduce simple food and fluids gradually thereafter. Later, we were the only ones in our group without disabling illness.

    Fasting fortifies discipline over appetite and helps to protect against later uncontrolled cravings and gnawing habits." Dr. Nelson seems more concerned about self control than a temporary abstention from water.

    So Chris, seriously, just stop.

  • Red Headed Stranger Billy Bobs, TX
    Feb. 27, 2014 8:00 a.m.

    Chris (pt 2)

    Instead, a 1980-2004 UCLA study indicates that Mormon males have a life expectancy of 9.8 years longer than the general US population. "UCLA study proves Mormons live longer" Desnews April 13, 2010. Correlation is not causation, there are certainly other factors, but the point is that if you wish to live longer, live like active Mormons.

    In fact the LDS Apostle Russell M. Nelson is a heart surgeon. He probably has forgotten more about health than you and I combined have ever known. He once stated in a October 1985 General Conference Adress

    "Another step toward self-mastery comes when you are old enough to observe the law of the fast. As funds are contributed from meals missed, the needs of the poor may be met. But meanwhile, through your spirit, you develop personal power over your body’s drives of hunger and thirst. Fasting gives you confidence to know that your spirit can master appetite.

    (continued in pt 3)

  • Red Headed Stranger Billy Bobs, TX
    Feb. 27, 2014 7:59 a.m.


    This is not how science works. Apparently a physician named Dr. Fereydoon Batmanghelidj who in 1998 self-published a book extolling the virtues of drinking 8 glasses of water a day. He did not do a rigorous, statistically based study. He just recorded his opinion. Some how that trope got picked up and now it is "fact."

    It is then a Grand Canyon sized leap to then insist that an otherwise well hydrated adult is ignoring medical advice by abstaining from water once a month.

    So, before you start making any sort of equivalence between abstaining from water once every 30 days and playing with rattlesnakes, please fund a long term, statistically sound, published in a medical journal study where test subjects all drank 8 glasses of water every day except for one otherwise equivalent group abstains from water every 30 days. Until that time, you should stop "claiming science is against LDS belief" when in fact you do not have any scientific evidence at all.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Feb. 27, 2014 6:14 a.m.

    There are many strange beliefs out there. Handling poisonous snakes certainly qualifies in most peoples minds.

    As does drinking poison and expecting to wake up behind Comet Hale-Bopp
    Or flying airplanes into building expecting to be rewarded with 72 virgins
    Or Reincarnation, Or the use of peyote

    Yes, there are lots of them. Where do people get such notions?

    Thats easy. From other people (typically men) who convince them that they have superior knowledge.

    It is so funny to me how people find those other beliefs and rituals kind of crazy while not seeing that some of their own fall into the exact same category.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 26, 2014 9:33 p.m.

    Although this seems like a very strange belief, you would think and hope those with similarly strange views would never think to ridicule him for his strange beliefs. I can think of many things that are as strange among a local prominent religious group as this man's beliefs.

    To each his own I suppose.

    There are even some people who do not drink water for 24 hours at a time, even though any medical recommendations I can find on drinking water suggest that people drink several glasses of water every day.

    Now is not drinking water the same level of dangerous as getting bit by snakes? No, and I never said it was.

    But if medical professionals encourage drinking water every day and they also suggest not being bit by snakes, it would be hypocritical for someone who doesn't drink water for 24 hours on a fairly regular basis to make fun of this man.

    Rest in Peace

  • Brahmabull sandy, ut
    Feb. 26, 2014 2:01 p.m.

    It should bolster their faith that god will not protect them if they do dangerous things. If 1,000 people jump off of a 100 story building and ask god to save them, odds are 1,000 of them will die. If one survives it will be by pure coincidence, not because he was more righteous then the others. This line of thinking is scary to me.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Feb. 26, 2014 1:16 p.m.

    Based on the quote from the Gospel of Mark this church is founded on, shouldn’t we also expect to see churches where the congregants drink cyanide or botulinum?