Family: Australian missionary held in North Korea

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  • gmlewis Houston, TX
    Feb. 21, 2014 5:42 p.m.

    @Sharrona - Early in his ministry, the Savior told the apostles to only go to the tribes of Israel. As I indicated, He later revised His instructions when He deemed it was the right time.

  • LovelyDeseret Gilbert, AZ
    Feb. 21, 2014 12:22 a.m.

    The article says North Korea's Constitution guarantees freedom of religion. The U.S. Constitution does also, I pray we stop heading down the the road that leads to North Korea's definition of "freedom of religion".

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Feb. 20, 2014 3:33 p.m.

    Thanks for the history lesson, but weren't we discussing the future? How else could we read ironclay's gloomy forecast?

  • sharrona layton, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 8:16 a.m.

    RE:Mark B, Where does he get this stuff? i.e…,

    Matthew was in Parthia, and Ethiopia, in which latter country he suffered martyrdom, being slain with a halberd in the city of Nadabah, A.D. 60.
    Andrew the brother of Peter. He preached the gospel to many Asiatic nations. at Edessa he was crucified on a cross, the two ends of which were fixed transversely in the ground. Hence the derivation of the term, St. Andrew's Cross

    Thomas preached the Gospel in Parthia and India, pagan priests, killed him with a spear.
    Zelotes, preached the Gospel in Mauritania, Africa, and even in Britain, where he was crucified, A.D. 74.

    the Church daily increased, deeply rooted in the doctrine of the apostles and of men apostolical, and was watered with the blood of saints.

    RE: Gmlewis The Savior told his apostles to only teach the Israelites? Wrong,

    (Mt 28:19 ) Go ye therefore, and teach=(make disciples, mathēteuō,G.3100)all nations, baptizing=(baptize,G.907) them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit=(pneuma).

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Feb. 19, 2014 3:22 p.m.

    I can't agree with brokenclay that believers are about to be subject to jail and/or execution in this country. Where does he get this stuff?

  • gmlewis Houston, TX
    Feb. 19, 2014 1:53 p.m.

    The Savior told his apostles to only teach the Israelites.

    Peter received a revelation that the time had now come to baptize the Gentiles

    Paul and his companions went to synogogs first, and when they were rejected they then went to the Gentiles.

    The Lord is capable of forming His own strategy, and He reveals that strategy to his servants the prophets.

    Our Savior knows the best course to take to get the nations to voluntarily open their doors to His authorized servants. He will tell the prophet when the time is right for each nation.

    I'm glad the LDS Church is patient enough to do it His way.

  • donn layton, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 12:55 p.m.

    RE: Californian#1@94131. Go ye therefore, and teach “all nations”, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost (Mt 28:19). A command not a suggestion.

    i.e.. Peter, James, John, Paul… did not play it safe,or
    Dietrich Bonhoeffer a German Lutheran pastor, theologian, anti-Nazi, and was a staunch in his resistance to the Nazi dictatorship. He strongly opposed Hitler's euthanasia program and genocidal persecution of the Jews.

    His writings on Christianity's role in the secular world have become widely influential, and many have labelled his book The Cost of Discipleship a modern classic.

    “I cannot make that choice from security." He returned to Germany from the safety of the U.S. on the last scheduled steamer to cross the Atlantic.

    He was arrested in April 1943 by the Gestapo and executed by hanging in April 1945. just 23 days before the German surrender.

  • Californian#1@94131 San Francisco, CA
    Feb. 19, 2014 11:21 a.m.

    ** "... it's the traditional Christians who are the ones sticking their necks out for the sake of the message." **

    Two LDS missionaries were just robbed at knifepoint in Russia by someone were teaching the gospel. They aren't the first to be victimized; others have been robbed, beaten, raped, even killed. A movie you can currently see in theatres is about two elders kidnapped in Russia in 1998. They didn't stick their necks out?

    ** "... even though, according to the LDS prophets, we are all corrupted and our preachers only do what they do for the money." **

    Wow, this is either a misunderstanding or a distortion. I'm not the one to decide which.

    Back-door evangelizing makes the path rougher for future church activities. There is value in following the laws of the lands and maintaining good relations with governments as we advance the Kingdom. That is institutional policy in the LDS Church. As a result, there are temples in East Germany and Russia, another being built in Rome, where we are delighted to be neighbors with another great Christian church, and the BYU center in Jerusalem. In other words, as brokenclay says---

    ** "The proof is in the pudding." **

  • brokenclay Tempe, AZ
    Feb. 19, 2014 10:06 a.m.

    It is amazing to me how threatened atheists are by one Christian missionary. And they should be. You can only tell people chairs don't have chair makers for so long, and that irreligious oppression is preferable to freedom in Christ.

    Ranch-- as noted in the article, both the missionary and his wife knew full well what the consequences could be for his actions, and they have both accepted those consequences, for as the apostle says, it is better to obey God than men. And when the secular agenda for power does gain the upperhand in America and is finally able to enforce its beliefs, and it will in my generation, then they will have to imprison or execute us, for might does not make right, and conviction will stand without convenience.

    It's also of note that it's the traditional Christians who are the ones sticking their necks out for the sake of the message, even though, according to the LDS prophets, we are all corrupted and our preachers only do what they do for the money. The proof is in the pudding.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 8:59 a.m.

    If you are going to break the law in a country like North Korea, you should expect to pay the penalties of breaking the law as defined by North Korea. You reap what you sow.

  • LadyMoon Crestucky, FL
    Feb. 19, 2014 7:30 a.m.

    Like Coots, he knew what they were before he picked them up!