New DHS chief endorses 'earned' citizenship idea

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  • kiddsport Fairview, UT
    Jan. 29, 2014 10:07 a.m.

    Does anyone remember with chagrin when Reagan capitulated to the Democratic Congress on amnesty? They promised to pass strict employer penalties for hiring illegal immigrants. Guess who never followed through with their commitment. Guess who never follows through with their promises.
    The moral of the story: you can't make a good deal with a bad Congress.

  • Dr. Thom Long Beach, CA
    Jan. 28, 2014 9:08 p.m.

    It's called "illegal immigration" for a reason.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 28, 2014 4:23 p.m.

    Washington logic never ceases to amaze me.
    When GWB was pushing for amnesty back in 2006-7 who did he send to the hill to do his bidding? The very man charged with protecting our borders and enforcing immigration law - DHS Secretary Michael Chertoff!
    So, here we are again with another apologist for illegal aliens.
    A different administration; the same nonsense.
    As long as those in a position to enforce the law refuse to do so, you can be assured that illegal aliens will not feel motivated to obey our laws.

  • Dan Maloy Enid, OK
    Jan. 28, 2014 3:48 p.m.

    So does my plan sound harsh?

    Oh, well. Anything worthwhile is worth protecting.

    If you don't protect it, you don't value it. The proof is in the pudding.

    America is valuable, far, far beyond what most of us here think. What a shame.

    Our country, our culture, our way of life and the goodness that Americans everywhere have shed on the world, is worth protecting.

    America: love it or leave it.

  • Dan Maloy Enid, OK
    Jan. 28, 2014 3:44 p.m.

    To clarify my previous comment: the children of those who are here now illegally would have their American citizenship revoked (no, the 14th Amendment was never meant to grant citizenship to 'anchor babies'), however those same children would be able to gain full American citizenship, including voting rights, after taking the required citizenship classes.

    The reason I would not allow illegal aliens here now (those who came here over the age of 18) to vote is because the Democrats continually claim "compassion" is what's needed. Well, "compassion" is granted under my plan, by letting them stay in a safe country, with their families and with a job. However, conservatives are 100% correct in saying that the Democrats pander incessantly to illegals/their families by promising an endless supply of the children of the illegal aliens vote Democrat.

    Letting them all stay but NOT vote (the elders who originally broke our laws) is the perfect balance.

    Anyone ('student' or 'teacher') caught cheating on the language or citizenship tests either gets deported in 7 days or loses their citizenship, or both.

    Anyone not registering within the 100 days and is found out later, is deported within 7 days.

  • Dan Maloy Enid, OK
    Jan. 28, 2014 3:36 p.m.

    "IF" we were to allow illegal aliens here now to stay, I'd start with building a fence the entire length of the southern AND norther borders and post armed guards in pairs every 100 yards.

    I'd have a 100 day period for illegals to register/identify themselves.

    I'd require them to pay all state/federal backtaxes (if owed). A $100 a month minimium payment would be required.

    I'd require a fine of $100 a month for every month they've been in the US illegally (applied to those who came here over the age of 18). A minimum payment of $100 a month would be required until paid in full.

    I'd revoke the citizenship of anyone born here as the child of an illegal alien.

    I'd require that all illegal aliens here learn to speak, read and write English to an 8th grade level (and prove it) within 2 yrs (3 yrs if > 45 yrs old).

    I'd mandate all businesses must do business here in American in English.

    I'd have the illegal aliens take citizenship classes and pass the required tests.

    Then, after all that, I'd grant them citizenship but would NOT allow them to vote.


  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Jan. 28, 2014 3:30 p.m.

    If 11 million people broke a law, and it did not benefit the business community, we would be enforcing it. People are full of hate because they feel that letting business use cheap illegal labor is wrong?

    Another amnesty would guarantee the next wave would be larger and more demanding. The only way to stop people from coming here illegally is to enforce our laws.

    You don't reward illegal behavior, and people should never earn citizenship by breaking the law and demanding it.

    @Janet, that myth brings us over a million people a year, more than anytime in our countries history.

  • legalimmigrant Springville, Utah
    Jan. 28, 2014 2:07 p.m.

    @Janet - so demanding that other people obey the law is being full of hate? Not qualifying for immigration benefits does not give people the right to break the law. Let's say for the sake of argument that illegal aliens are offered a path to citizenship. What would you do with the next wave of illegal aliens? Would you provide another amnesty? Where do you think we should draw the line?

  • Janet Ontario, OR
    Jan. 28, 2014 1:19 p.m.

    Oh, for heavens sake, stick to the topic. It is a myth that people who are here without documentation can gather their families, pop back to their country of origin, and fill out some paperwork to get here legally. I have known righteous undocumented immigrants who felt inspired to come to the U.S. I have known hardworking young people who were brought here as children and excelled in school, but faced an uncertain future because of the lack of options for becoming legal. If an undocumented immigrant came here after 9/11, especially from Mexico and a few other Latin American countries, s/he would need a lot of money and a lot of luck to get back in after leaving, and no hope of becoming legal by declaring, "I want to do this right," once here. Our immigration policies need fixing. Earning the right to remain here would bring many immigrants out of the shadows. A lot of people who claim to love God and their fellow man are really full of hate.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 28, 2014 12:17 p.m.

    By his flawed and perverted logic, if you and I were to not pay our taxes for 10 years, then all that would be forgiven?

    This person is just another voice in the Obama chorus arbitrarily ignoring laws, failing to enforce laws, and ignoring our constitutional form of government. We have instead, government by decree, and use of they government bureaucracy to intimidate and extort political enemies.

    Remember Fast and Furious, refusal to prosecute New Black Panther voter intimidation, IRS harassment of conservative groups, selective prosecution (e.g.- Dinesh D'Souza), failure to enforce immigration laws, refusal to prosecute arrested immigration violators, Benghazi denials and endless other examples.

    Worse, Obama is stealing veterans' earned pensions and demanding huge raises for federal contract workers.

    This is intolerable!