Senate report lays blame for Benghazi on State Department, intelligence community

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  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Jan. 17, 2014 4:21 a.m.


    Follow the thread. I was responding to an uninformed poster who claimed that this would not have happened under Bush.

    Look, Benghazi highlighted mistakes. Obviously things would have been handled differently in hindsight. That is the real issue here.

    One can fault Obama for furthering the "video" story. I get that.

    But, that was all after the fact.

    So, again. Where is the scandal.

    Either it was incompetence, which occurred prior to the attack and deaths, or it was in the aftermath.

    Obamas "lies" didn't get anyone killed. Now the focus seems to be more on Clinton. Partisan perhaps?

    Here is another prediction.

    I predict that in the next 2 years, an American in an embassy or consulate will be killed.

    Unfortunately, it is not uncommon.

    This will forever be known as Benghazi. How many of the previous attacks can you name without use of google?

    I am sick of everything being viewed through partisan glasses.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Jan. 16, 2014 2:05 p.m.

    @ FT and JoeBlow:

    What does this article or this issue have to do with former president Bush? I'm quite certain he had been out of office for years before this incident happened. Whether or not something similar would've happened under his watch is totally irrelevant and purely conjecture by anyone saying such things. Perhaps it's just another sorry attempt to deflect the blame from where it belongs... to those who were actually in charge when this happened.

    So FT... where do you come up with your number that "hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi and American soldiers were killed" due to former president Bush's incompetence?

    That number is much higher than any I've ever read or heard reported before. So please justify and explain precisely where you came up with that number. Or is it just another exaggeration from the left to deflect from the real issue about the incompetence of the present administration... which seems much more likely, again.

    And if you can't objectively justify your statement, it will certainly make it much more difficult to believe anything else you write here in these posts.

  • Objectified Tooele, UT
    Jan. 16, 2014 10:49 a.m.

    If the situation was reversed with Obama and Hillary being Republicans (heaven forbid), this report would've had the media crucifying them... which it obviously will not do, since they are actually liberal Democrats.
    Instead, the media is busy hammering daily on potential Republican candidates who might challenge Hillary in the next presidential election... all over issues far less important.

    And so the double standard continues...

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Jan. 16, 2014 7:46 a.m.

    Whatever else this Senate report means, it is apparent that NOTHING Obama or Hillary says should be trusted! They have destroyed all their credibility with anyone who thinks our government leaders must be honest, which clearly they have proven they are not!

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 16, 2014 7:10 a.m.

    Why would we have a handful of people manning an embassy anyway? Do we really rely on rogue gangs to protect our embassies? That is a huge amount of incompetence, that goes from the top-down, starting with the president.

    If we had 10 more heavily armed military personnel, with support staff/drones etc at their disposal. Either the attack would have been avoided, or we would have more dead alqueda minions. Instead we have leadership ignoring the ambassadors request for more support or close the embassy altogether. We have leadership that ignored the call. We have leadership that ordered troops to stand down several times. We had leadership in comfy homes telling Navy Seals that their assessment is wrong, while they the sells had RPGs fired at them. We only had a drone with video flying by the embassy to video the death of our ambassador. Really? We had a safe room that wasn't that safe. We had support staff that was told to stand down.

    But,Hillary likeher husband wittingly lecturesus."What difference does it make?!" They are not going to let their idiocy getin their way to become rulers over us,because of a few American lives

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Jan. 16, 2014 6:59 a.m.

    After EVERY scandal and disaster on his watch, including this one, Obama has promised, " A thorough investigation and those who are responsible will be held accountable." No investigation has followed and no one has ever been held accountable. Obama has not kept ONE promise he made except one: "Fundamentally transform America". That is the only promise Obama has EVER kept. I don't even recognize my country anymore and it is still declining in every way a country can decline! And all we get from Obama is lies, cover-ups, stonewalling and blaming Bush and the GOP!

  • Dr. Thom Long Beach, CA
    Jan. 15, 2014 10:31 p.m.

    Not all deaths are tragic, just ask the Canadian sniper who "popped and dropped" a terrorist from 1.5 miles away

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Jan. 15, 2014 8:42 p.m.

    Pure partisan politics as usual.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Jan. 15, 2014 8:19 p.m.

    JoeBlow said, "How many Americans died in Embassy and Consulate attacks in the years prior to the Obama presidency?" The issue is all the lies we were told about Benghazi, the stonewalling, the denials, calling it a phony scandal, the cover-ups by Obama and Hillary right before the election to make voters believe Obama had Al Qaida on the run, as he boasted! That's the difference! Obama and Hillary have been caught in another of their many lies! But don't worry Joe, the liberal main stream media will not cover this and the rest of America is asleep! The news media is much more worried about a silly traffic jam in New Jersey where no one died and no one lied!

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Jan. 15, 2014 7:42 p.m.

    " if BUSH were President (today or during Benghazi)there would be four Americans that would still be alive today!!"

    How many Americans died in Embassy and Consulate attacks in the years prior to the Obama presidency?

    Any death is tragic, but it is ludicrous to say that Bush would have prevented it. His record of protecting oversees Americans was hardly stellar.

    I wish these hearings and investigations focused more on preventing future deaths than finding a partisan target. Of course these deaths were preventable.

    And in hindsight, things would have been done differently and 4 people would be alive today. I am quite certain that Pres Bush would say the same thing concerning those killed on his watch.

    But, let me guess. That was completely different, right?

    Yes, mistakes were made.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 15, 2014 4:34 p.m.

    Nothing new in this report and what BO and his administration have concurred with for months. The State Department, Intelligence and the embassy itself all played a role in the tragedy. Will this report finally quiet the conservative witch hunters?
    Seriously, if Bush were President this would not have happened? How can you forget the 3,000 deaths of innocent Americans, on our soil, or the 100's of thousands of innocent Iraqis and American soldiers who died because of his incompetence?

  • codger Southwest Utah, UT
    Jan. 15, 2014 3:51 p.m.

    We had an uninformed majority of voters in the last election. Could be the same next time.

  • iron&clay RIVERTON, UT
    Jan. 15, 2014 3:46 p.m.

    The Democrat majority in senate investigates and concludes that Hillary is responsible and that it DOES matter.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2014 2:36 p.m.

    This has got to be the death knell for Hilary's run for the Presidency in 2016. If voters ignore this then we again have a nation of uninformed voters who ignore what is taking place.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2014 2:17 p.m.

    criticize BUSH and blame BUSH all you want but if BUSH were President (today or during Benghazi)there would be four Americans that would still be alive today!!

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Jan. 15, 2014 2:11 p.m.

    And just who was the head of the State Department when this occurred? What hypocrisy for Democrats to get all inflamed about a delay crossing a bridge and when people are killed overseas due to incompetence, it's no big deal. "What does it matter now, anyway?"

  • ute alumni SLC, UT
    Jan. 15, 2014 11:46 a.m.

    isn't barry over the state department? he guy is really the teflon man

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 15, 2014 11:26 a.m.

    She has to live with that comment during her run for the Presidency in 2016. To show indifference to her Ambassador and employees in the Department of State sends a message to the people about her 3 a.m. call processes. People don't hold our diplomats and elected officials to answer for their decisions. The last election came too soon as the political processes will always protect the ones in power. There would have been significant changes if President Obama had been honest in his responses. Instead, he let other people do the talking for him and Hillary. Mrs. Rice got her improved status but at what cost?

    We are not in a better position today in our country or with the relationships with other countries around the world. We even sent our Vice-President to Israel for PM and General Sharon's funeral. The President is still keeping the current PM of Israel in the waiting room. That is not a warm feeling for one of our allies but they are used to that kind of response.

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    Jan. 15, 2014 11:11 a.m.

    But what difference does it make?

    --Hillary Clinton

    After all, criminal incompetence on the part of the State Department on her watch doesn't matter, right?

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 15, 2014 10:58 a.m.

    If I remember correctly, the Ambassador had sent warnings in August 2012 to the State Department warning of pending problems with security. His was shoved aside, it appears as he went to the weakest defensive position in Benghazi instead of staying in Tripoli on a very significant day, 9/11. That nation and surrounding nations were celebrating the fall of our citizens from the attack in 2001 against our people in the United States of America.

    The Ambassador's warning wasn't heeded in August and for some reason went to Benghazi that fateful day. The election campaigning for the President and his high level staff's jobs was going on in August to November. The President is in charge of the Department of State and the Intelligence communities, including the CIA.

    These Departments and Agency communities are run by people who are accountable for their and our people.

    It is quite telling when the Democratic run Senate puts out this kind of report. However, there are political leanings in the report and protection for those in power. David Petreaus made his own investigation and sort of fell out of power due to his long held position of a couple of months.