"I own my body." Yes, you do. But not someone else's body."I'm pro-choice." No, you're not. You don't
favor individual choice over how fast to drive, how big a house you can build on
a given lot, how much pollution you can emit, how you can decide whether to hire
or fire someone, what kind of light bulb I can use, or what I can do with about
36% of my money. You are only "pro-choice" about this one
particular issue. It's more accurate to say you're
pro-abortion-on-demand. Stop hiding behind the truth-challenged
cliches, and own what you believe.
I love children with all my heart, but unfortunately, I lost a number of
pregnancies to miscarriage. This is when the body naturally says that a
pregnancy was not in the plan at that time. This happens in possibly 20% of
pregnancies (mostly early on, sometimes before it was known that a woman is
pregnant). Sometimes a doctor may advise that due to a women's health, the
pregnancy shouldn't continue. Occasionally there is a true choice involved,
but this is not for anybody to judge except the woman, her doctor and if a woman
chooses, someone else. Since this has direct relation to a women's body, it
is her choice. I believe there are many more things for religion to worry about
in this world. And we are not deplete of people (seven billion and
counting)...let's take care of what we have!
@esquire"That principle is reflected by the thoughtful guidance that
the LDS Church has provided in its Handbook for leaders. ...Ultimately, we have
to rely on the mother to make the decision, ..."Really?! So, are
you trying to convince us that the Handbook is Pro-Choice?Nope. Not even
close. Your liberal views on abortion are in no way supported by the Church or
BebyebeYou own your body. You do not 'own' the body of an
unborn child. Once there is a fetus, there is a life. Nobody has the right to
take the life of a child who did nothing to be there. They didn't have a
choice in the matter. Nobody has the right to take an innocent life ESPECIALLY
the mother whom has been entrusted with that life. If you don't want the
possibility of a child then there is an easy way to prevent it until you are
ready. Children are the natural consequence of sexual activity.
@ Thid Barker, a woman living the law of chastity can get pregnant. It ahppened
to my wife four times.
Schnee. You are wrong. The best way to not become pregnant is live the law of
chastity! Its 100% effective except in the rare cases of rape or incest.
One other thing. A government mandate makes little difference in the
decisionmaking process. It did not dissuade or convince someone I know in the
depth of the Great Depression here in Utah. Her decision was made by her and
her alone. She chose not to go down that path, but she might have based on dire
circumstances. Do people in these circumstances need safe procedures, or shoud
the government make remote, simplistic decisions for the affected party which
will surely lead to worse results?
I am not sure I agree with the concept that abortiona sign of a throwaway
culture. It is too simplistic to say that. Abortion is complicated and
nuanced, affected by a whole range of considerations that are complex and
numerous and the people involved. That principle is reflected by the thoughtful
guidance that the LDS Church has provided in its Handbook for leaders. I wish
it was simple. It just isn't. It is sobering and difficult. Yes, there
may be some who are cavalier about it, but the vast majority of people are not.
Ultimately, we have to rely on the mother to make the decision, hopefully aided
by those most otherwise affected.
@ThomasJefferson – “When they choose to advocate for the most
vulnerable, the unborn child, I'll listen!”Perhaps we can
find common ground by establishing what an unborn child is. Certainly past a certain point of development I would agree, but if you say
that a newly fertilized egg so small that it cannot be seen with the naked eye
is a “baby,” you’re going to get some understandable push back
– especially since the objective of defining a zygote (or blastocyst or
embryo) as such is to grant full personhood rights and criminalize a
woman/doctor who terminate a pregnancy at any time.Perhaps the time
has come for our country to end the political fight over this issue by meeting
somewhere in the middle. If liberals will concede that abortion on demand
through all stages of development is morally untenable, maybe conservatives can
recognize that dictating to women (in the early stages of pregnancy) has equally
troubling moral implications as well as being impracticable. Is
there common ground here or will moral/ideological purity (on both sides)
continue to keep this political football in play?
I wonder what liberals think of their new best friend now. . .
Disposing 50 to 60 million babies down the toilet since RoeVWade is hardly
evidence of a kinder and gentler man, women, and nation. There is no debate in
He has got this right.
Mick, I hold your gender responsible. When you accept your responsibility and
start using birth control then you have no right to judge women. Your righteous
indignation means nothing compared to the ownership of my body.
What is the difference between "natural" means of family
planning--accepted by the Catholic church--(rhythm method) and modern methods of
family planning such as the pill other than one has a high rate of failure?
Contraceptives saves lives--of women and unborn children. The good
news is abortions are declining in the U.S. Liberals and conservatives could
find common ground in reducing abortion rates through education and improving
access to contraceptives. NBC (2012)"A dramatic new study
finds that offering women free birth control can reduce unplanned pregnancies --
and send the abortion rate spiraling downward.When more than 9,000
women ages 14 to 45 in the St. Louis area were given no-cost contraception for
three years, abortion rates dropped from two-thirds to three-quarters lower than
the national rate, according to a new report by Washington University School of
Medicine in St. Louis researchers.Re:MickAre you recommending
celibacy for married people who've finished adding to their family?
BebyebePregnancy is a consequence of an action. Not a choice. The
action that causes the pregnancy can be prevented or controlled. Until society
learns to prevent or deal with consequences, we will continue to deteriorate.
Hutterite. When does personal responsibility become part of the equation. We
have made children the problem. Get rid of the child, problem solved. Liberals
don't want poor women having children. That is why they are adamant that
abortion be legal and birth control part of insurance plans. If you disagree
consider this. What demographic has the most abortions. I submit it is the
poor. Study eugenics. Poor people create more poor people. Stop them from
having children you eliminate poverty. I can understand an abortion in the case
of rape, incest, or dire health concerns. That should be a rare occurrence.
As a woman I have the ultimate power, the power to create a new life. The
problem isn't that women need to be more empowered to control their
sexuality. With the exception of rape, it is woman not respecting this amazing
power they have. People discuss female sexuality like its ultimate purpose is
pleasure with the unfortunate disadvantage that it can also produce unwanted
pregnancies, or it can be used to have a kid if that's what you want.
Shouldn't the power to create life weigh more heavily than personal
pleasure? I know that sexuality is not just for creating life, but
in the big picture why is new life considered an inconvenient second to personal
pleasure? As a woman, I believe this is a tragic order of prorities.
The best way to reduce abortions is to prevent unplanned pregnancies in the
first place but the Vatican isn't very big on that idea thanks to their
opposition to birth control.
We gong from hard covered books to paper back to intangible books. The books you
read and the people you keep in a virtual world. We really went into an
imaginary world when people don't matter.
A throw away society and an immoral society.
I can understand were the pope is coming from, if you believe life starts at
conception it would be hard to understand how anyone would make such a decision
but in my experience work king with women that have faced thart decision it is
not one they mKe lightly. I do agree with him on his other comments with regards
to doing more to care for the hungry, immigrants and those being persecuted. It
is sad to see people on both sides place so much focus on his comments about
abortion and ignore the rest of his comments which he has spent more time
@Hutterite--so, with you, it's all or nothing, eh? That's, to use a
phrase, throwing the baby out with the bathwater. How about taking each point on
it's own merits? By the way, what is "getting real" about human
sexuality, birth control, and empowerment of women?
It is also evidence of an immoral culture. It is similar to how the gay
community wants same-sex marriage to be legal. Just as abortion is legal it is
still not moral. If same-sex marriage becomes legal it will still be immoral.
God bless the Pope his is a great and inspired man!
I own my body, not the gov. When you can get pregnant you are entitled to an
@Hutterite, none of his comments carry much weight TO YOU. The rest of the
world watches on and loves that he's confronting issues.
I disagree that none of his comments carry weight....If he has a
good idea, or a valid concern, why not weigh the measure of each concern or idea
upon their own credits? Why throw out everything because something is
disagreeable?I agree that abortion is one piece of evidence that
there are problems with the liberal agenda. Liberalism harms society more than
it helps. We need a return to core values.
I really don't understand how people can argue that killing a human fetus
is okay. There is nothing okay about it. It is a human life. Why does the USSC
get to decide when killing is okay. How is it a women's rights issue.
Really, it's a woman's right to decide whether to kill? Those in favor
of abortion say - it's her body. No, it's the body of another human
being. That human has no choice in the matter? It baffles the mind
I agree with him, and I think that abortion is one of the top indications of a
culture gone the wrong direction. It is tragic and horrible.
None of his comments carry much weight until the church gets real about human
sexuality, birth control, and empowerment of women. In the case of this pope,
some of that may happen but they've got a long way to go.