New prospects in 2014 for an immigration overhaul

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  • rw123 Sandy, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 12:06 p.m.

    @Say NO to BO
    "Most are taking jobs from our low-skilled citizens and our teens. And their very presence drives down wages and benefits."

    Sounds like the scenario that has happened numerous times when new ethnic groups have come to the U.S. (i.e. Polish, Italian, German, etc., etc.). Their first generations here did not learn the language, but they were citizens and the group eventually integrated.

    With things as they are with the Latinos, they can't become citizens while here and there is a huge divide between them and us. Also, it seems easy enough for them to get government help while still disliking "gringos." Also, they are criminals by definition if they are here illegally. It all adds up to a distinct adversarial role between the races. You can tell just by listening their all-Spanish news. Neither do they pay income and Social Security taxes.

    I gotta believe there's a way to accommodate those who have come here. We were unwise enough to have no immigration policy in force for long enough that deporting them all now would be real problem.

    This nation was built on the backs of legal immigrants.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 10:47 a.m.

    You do bring up a good point about what immigrants bring to America. If for instance they come from a socialistic country where they expect all good things come from government then that is likely how they will vote here in America. The problem with most 3rd world type countries is there is no middle class, and no real capitalistic economy from which to grow the population into a middle class. If immigrants come to America and do not understand what it means to access the American dream, then they will naturally gravitate toward the political party that "gives" them the most. In this case that is the Democrat Party, and they will continue to give and give and give stuff and money to get the votes of immigrants. If that continues on, as it is now going, then I don't see any possible outcome but economic ruin coming from too much obligation to entitlements, health care, pensions, ect. At some point, if we don't start growing this economy and paying down the 17 trillion debt, it will become 18 trillion, then 19 trillion.......... and eventually bankruptcy.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 10:44 a.m.

    @ FT:

    Where did you get the 14 million number from? The article said there are 11 million illegals. And why do you think the GOP is happy to do nothing about those illegals already here?

    The truth is, most GOP citizens want existing laws enforced. That means better border security and no rewards for existing law-breakers. The only ones happy with legalizing those who have blatently broken our immigration laws are democrats who see those illegal aliens as potential new voters for their party.

    Another truth... People all around the world who are going through the laborious process of becoming legal citizens the right way, are feeling cheated by these current illegals trying to jump to the head of the line and using up their allocated annual legal immigration numbers.

    One more truth... The majority of the 11+ million illegals already here are untrained and uneducated, with most not even having high school diplomas. As such, they do compete with that segment of our legal work force and have shown themselves willing to work for below-market wages. Therefore, they are suppressing wages and stealing jobs from citizens... thereby increasing unemployment numbers.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Jan. 8, 2014 9:44 a.m.

    Obama does not enforce immigration laws we have now. What good will NEW laws be? Waste of time!

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 9:38 a.m.

    Immigrants influence elections in a big way. And as a result, America becomes more like the countries the immigrants fled from.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 8:41 a.m.

    Just what good is it to make new immigration laws when the many of the current ones are not enforced anyway? Chances are, no matter what laws are passed, if you have an administration, like both Bush and Obama, there will not be any enforcement of the parts of the laws that are not PC. Same as we have now.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 8:39 a.m.

    Let's not forget that Obama undid 300,000 deportation orders after they had already been adjudicated. All with the stroke of a pen.
    This amnesty thing is a fairness issue. ONE THIRD of all foreign-born are here illegally. Most are taking jobs from our low-skilled citizens and our teens. And their very presence drives down wages and benefits.
    Let's abide by the laws on the books and enforce the law. Amnesty only dissolves the notion of a border and immigration laws.
    No amnesty. No pathway to citizenship. Go to the back of the your own country.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 12:12 a.m.

    "The statistics are actually a little deceptive," Obama said last month (Sept 2011) during a discussion with Hispanic journalists. There has been "a much greater emphasis on criminals than non-criminals." And "with stronger border enforcement, we've been apprehending folks at the borders and sending them back. That is counted as a deportation even though they may have only been held for a day or 48 hours." (other Presidents never included them in deportation numbers)

    In 2010 he let 160,000 felons out of jail, if they promised to self deport. They were counted as deportations.

    His deportation numbers are a lie also.

  • ute alumni SLC, UT
    Jan. 7, 2014 9:11 p.m.

    don't hold your breath. barry only does things for political gain. right reason? not a chance.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Jan. 7, 2014 8:01 p.m.

    Obama has used every political point to punish his enemies. But weakened by his lies, perhaps now he will finally do something for the right reason--strengthening America.

    Perhaps now Obama will finally reach out to compromise.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 7, 2014 6:16 p.m.

    Not a chance with a Do Nothing Congress. Reality is the GOP is happy with the 14 ml living and working here on the cheap and under the radar.