Lack of classroom testing, cost, quick approval worry Common Core critics

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  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 7, 2014 9:29 p.m.

    Just two of many examples why government should not be in charge of education:

    * Head Start program did not lower the number of people living in poverty.
    * Government has poor math skills, and cannot balance a check book.

  • Jason Williams Los Angeles, CA
    Jan. 3, 2014 11:08 p.m.

    If critical thinking skills are fully developed nationwide, then illogical talk-show hosts - like Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck - will be obsolete and Fox News, as we know it today, will disappear. LOL Let's hear it for critical, logical thinking!!!

  • Mamma C HEBER CITY, UT
    Jan. 3, 2014 5:34 p.m.

    The bottom line is that it's changing the way education is governed. It's centralizing what used to be determined locally. It's standardizing what used to be up to the local conscience. It's giving power to unelected bodies whom we cannot remove from office by a vote-- groups that copyrighted and developed the standards, including the D.C. based CCSSO, NGA, and Bill Gates himself. Bill Gates was never elected yet his ideas and his money are altering Utah's and other states' basic systems of education without a vote. This is alarming to me. All the talk about the fuzzy math is froth. Look at the big picture. Look at who holds the power via the tests, the data collection, and the rights to alter the national core.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 3, 2014 5:11 p.m.

    What happened to cooperative learning? Hands on? And the many other ideas?

    Did the Head Start Program reduce poverty?

    If you have a bad doctor, dentist, or auto mechanic, don't you go somewhere else?

  • Lilljemalm Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 3, 2014 2:55 p.m.

    My kids were taught using common core at a charter school in Colorado for several years and it worked beautifully. From other comments on this article, it sounds like others have had bad experiences because it was implimented incorrectly. Each child is to be allowed to progress beyond the minimum standard in each subject independantly if they can and want to. It also requires more effort be made with those students with learning disabilities or who have extra difficulties in a subject. There was less testing than the non-common core schools had to do in CO. There was a lot more homework, though, putting more onus on the parents. The standards made far more sense than Colorado's non-common core standards did at the time (2003-2009). The math is not watered down as we found after moving to AZ where common core is not yet implimented state wide; that is why kids are needing tutors - to make up for the watered down math education they've been getting under previous curriculum and standards.

  • Big Joe V Rancho Cucamonga, CA
    Jan. 3, 2014 11:09 a.m.

    I was contacted a few months ago to be hired as a tutor. I don't remember the name of the company, but basically my resume was trolled off the internet. I have never worked in education. I was flattered at first. The pay was $17/hr and the students were within 20 miles and I would have to pay for a background check (out of my first paycheck). It was to support the Common Core program and even though it was a private company it received Federal funds. Since I had a recent B/G (DOJ, FBI fingerprint) I tried to use it to qualify, but they said theirs was better. Then I became suspicious and found comments of tremendous amount of paper work and the type of students were the problem/non learners. I don't know the full details of the company, but I think you get the picture. More wasted taxpayers money enriching other peoples pockets claiming to make a flawed Federal program work. The money sounded good, but it made me literally ill to realize this was taking place.

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    Jan. 3, 2014 10:44 a.m.

    The biggest issue with Common Core is that it is a "federal standard". According to the U.S. Constitution, Education is a "state function". This is a grab for federal power in Washington. As a retired urban public school teacher, I can say from personal experience that the federal standard includes a curriculum which includes in the social studies area personal beliefs in a wide ranging inclusion of personal lifestyle choices. The idea behind local school boards under the auspices of the state board of education is to allow "local community standards". That is the actual target of the Common Core. The idea is to develop a new modern global citizen who is accepting of a wide range of lifestyles. Obviously, there is a current controversy in regard to the overruling of a referendum by a federal judge who declared it unconstitutional. Utah would appear to be a visible target for liberal interests and the changing of the way that the state educates its young citizens is of primary concern. That should be up to the voting citizens of Utah.

  • Eliyahu Pleasant Grove, UT
    Jan. 3, 2014 10:00 a.m.

    Unfortunately, the vast majority of people protesting Common Core have never taken the time to read through it and see what is actually there. It's a lot easier to just take what someone else said they heard about it and assume that person must be correct, especially if they're broadcasting it on talk radio. Take the time to read all of it. As with any large set of standards, there will be things that might need revision or change, but overall it is formulated around the things which we will agree are important for our children to learn as they go through school. Are there things in it that weren't taught when we were in school? Of course there are. Science has changed and developed, and there are many years of additional history and social developments since we graduated. Change is part of life.

  • Really??? Kearns, UT
    Jan. 3, 2014 9:48 a.m.

    The math core is pretty solid, but they way they set up the classes is where it's flawed. Students are expected to advance together in their math classes regardless of whether or not they mastered the content. This form of advancement is causing too many students to fail in their math because they were forced to move on even though they don't understand the concepts they should have already learned. If we grouped math students differently, this problem would be solved.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 3, 2014 9:38 a.m.

    Lack of classroom testing? No!!

    It's the "‘Lack of classroom teaching".

    If you're going to hire teachers,--Let them teach, and stay out of it!

    Too many people involved!

    Let the teachers do what they were hired to do! Let them decide on the amount of testing, teaching, etc. Politicians are not teachers.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Jan. 3, 2014 9:31 a.m.

    We need MORE testing! My wife tests her kids constantly to meet the District and State mandates. There isn't time to teach anything because all the do is test, test, test. The kids are sick of it, and the teachers are sick of it. Test, test, test. That's all education is in the conservative world. All that is cared about is results. There isn't time to actually improve or teach, just test.


    "Common Core is nothing but this administrations takeover of public education."

    Really? Please do some research on this topic, see which elements are actually behind this and report back.

  • JMT Springville, UT
    Jan. 3, 2014 9:08 a.m.

    Pilots have been done, most recently in New York. Spend some time and Google "New York" and "Common Core" and/or "PARCC roleout." They had an absolutely horrid experience. Main stream media and the elite won't talk about it, but it is there.

    The math standards are drafted to comply with "Investigations Math" something attempted and rejected by Alpine School District.

    The Reading standards reject many of the classics and replace them with small passages and government documents. Missed is the depth of understanding that will lead to critical thinking about values, norms and ethics. Ironic, since Common Core is intended to drive critical thinking.

    Common Core is nothing but this administrations takeover of public education. It is the Obamacare of education, or TARP, or the Middle East policy. It is a value system that will not work.

    Jan. 3, 2014 8:47 a.m.

    With the number of people frightened of any change, it's a freakin' miracle the human race ever made it out of our caves.

  • kreese Taft, CA
    Jan. 3, 2014 8:03 a.m.

    This is very simple. Jimmy Carter gave us the Department of Education...just more federal control. Bush's policies gave us more federal control. Innovation comes from classroom teachers, not pinhead academics in university faculty lounges. I thank God I'm retired and do not have to implement the so-called improvements.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 3, 2014 6:32 a.m.

    I am satisfied that there is no task on earth that the federal government couldn't make more complex and more costly.
    A case in point is public education where they burden us with mandates and send very little money to pay for them.

  • Pete1215 Lafayette, IN
    Jan. 3, 2014 6:26 a.m.

    Can't anybody do a pilot study? Let some schools switch to common core, let others not, and compare the results (controlling for equivalent student populations, of course).

  • fowersjl Farmington, Utah
    Jan. 3, 2014 6:26 a.m.

    Common Core math has brought frustrated students flocking to my Math Tutor daughter's door. Either the teachers don't know how to teach it, or the students don't understand how they are teaching it, and certainly the parents can't help their students. Just an observation.

    Jan. 3, 2014 12:18 a.m.

    I actually read through the common core from K-12 (yes, every page) and don't see what the fuss is about, it is just some educational standards and I think it makes sense to use the same standards nationwide. I'm not an educator but common core didn't seem too difficult to me. My children have certainly gone to schools that were more strenuous than common core. I did not look at any of the common core tests, but I would hope they test what they teach.