New York judge rules NSA phone surveillance is legal

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  • intervention slc, UT
    Dec. 30, 2013 12:07 a.m.

    Funny but I seem to remember stating it wa wrong under both bush and Obama but feel free to keep misrepresenting my comment that everyone can read.

    If you wish to talk about second amendment rights perhaps you could write a letter to the editor rather then make thin references at the end of your post.

  • Northern Logan, UT
    Dec. 29, 2013 7:02 p.m.

    ""When liberals first raised concerns a decade ago we were told by conservative over and over again. "If you don't have anything to hide you got nothing to fear" and "if you got nothing to hide why do you care?" ""

    You cannot limit this statement to republicans, more Democrats want bigger government than republicans.
    Being neither a Dem nor Rep, what I don't understand is how people think we can keep the 4th amendment strong without keeping the second amendment stronger??

  • intervention slc, UT
    Dec. 29, 2013 4:05 p.m.

    Bush not busy sorry.

  • intervention slc, UT
    Dec. 29, 2013 3:25 p.m.


    This type of spying started shortly after 9/11 long before on
    Obama it is just as wrong now as it was then and Obama is just as wrong to support as busy and conservatives were to support it then. When liberals first raised concerns a decade ago we were told by conservative over and over again. "If you don't have anything to hide you got nothing to fear" and "if you got nothing to hide why do you care?" I am glade conservatives have finally joined the party but worry as soon as we get a republican in office you will turn your back on the 4th amendment again.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 28, 2013 1:01 p.m.

    I totally agree with this

    " A foolish faith in Authority is an Enemy of Truth. Albert Einstein."

    Our politicians are like used car salesmen selling bad cars, and the people are fools for buying it.

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 9:17 a.m.

    Deja-vu! One judge says NSA spying is unconstitutional, a second judge says the contrary. Very much like the way that the constitutionality of the obamacare mandate played out in the courts.

  • trekker Salt Lake, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 8:33 a.m.

    For some reason I have Rockwell s' song " I always feel like somebody's watching me" in my head, the one were Michael Jackson sings chorus.

  • samhill Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 8:21 a.m.

    "New York judge rules NSA phone surveillance is legal"


    I would be fascinated to know how many of the people who object to the ruling by this judge were in favor of the recent adverse ruling on Utah's Amendment 3 by judge Shelby. Both cases involve interpretations of fundamental constitutional rights and both have wide ranging effects, all decided by a single individual.

    I'm of the opinion that there is too much judicial activism and, consequently, hubris. Particularly in the Shelby ruling since it OVERruled the clearly state will of the people. Something that should have required much more than the judicial whims of a single person.

    I also believe that much, if not most of this kind of judicial intervention is due to a lack of administrative and legislative leadership, both of which indicate a lack of electoral leadership. Or at least coherent electoral leadership.

    But, perhaps expecting anything else is asking too much of a democratic process that is, probably inherently, somewhat messy and incoherent.

    Amazing that despite its flaws, democratic republicanism is still almost certainly the best means of governance around, Dennis Rodman's fondness for N. Korea notwithstanding.

  • sg newhall, CA
    Dec. 27, 2013 3:10 p.m.

    William Pauley is a communist and should be removed from the bench. Since when is it constitutionally permissible to bug the phone calls of the American people? To simply justify it based on "national" security is preposterous. This is exactly what the Russian communists and Chinese communists said to its people. This judge must have been paid under the table to ignore law and favor our current communist leader.

  • G-Day-M8 WVC, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 2:52 p.m.

    Well, this judge is incorrect, in fact this judge is over the top wrong and has broken the sacred oath he swore to uphold the constitution.

    But what do oaths mean any more?, Apparently, nothing.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Chihuahua, 00
    Dec. 27, 2013 2:44 p.m.

    I would rather live under constant government orchestrated false flag terror attacks than live under surveillance. I choose dangerous freedom over safe tyranny any day of the week.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Chihuahua, 00
    Dec. 27, 2013 2:26 p.m.

    Judges are not following the constitution. They are just picking and choosing.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Chihuahua, 00
    Dec. 27, 2013 2:14 p.m.

    Gay Marriage is unconstitutional but the right to privacy isn't? That makes a lot of sense.
    Only a Revolution is going to get NSA spying to go away.

    " A foolish faith in Authority is an Enemy of Truth." Albert Einstein.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 27, 2013 1:03 p.m.

    Judges are not gods, and for many,--honorable do not fit them.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 12:53 p.m.

    I have no legal training, but I believe the judge is wrong.

    The 4th amendment to the US Constitution protects citizens from illegal search & seizure. What constitutes a legal search & seizure? A main component is a warrant, which is to be granted in cases of probable cause.

    For the government to be collecting information on potentially all citizens (phone records, internet usage, email, etc) certainly violates the 4th amendment.

    It appears this judge is rationalizing the abuse and violation by our government of the 4th amendment based upon the events of 9/11, and potential future terrorist attacks. Fear is a powerful motivator, and in this case, the judge and our government, and the many citizens that allow this violation of the constitution, are acting out of fear.

    Unfortunately, we are all the victims of this fear and abuse, as well as the constitution.

    The judge is wrong. And we are losing freedoms and appearing more and more like failed societies of the past. Hopefully other courts will correct this misjudgment.

  • liberty or ...? Ogden, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 12:02 p.m.

    Oer the land of the searched and the home of the surveyed. Whats next unwarranted seizures. Watch out all you Connetticut fools who just registered your guns in support of a Nazi era Policy now your local SS I mean politicians know who has them. We'll have to disarm those scary law abiding gunowners, radical NRA members and conservatives 2nd amendment supporters for their own good because their useful idiot neighbors feel uneasy. I believe the same thing happened to a group of people in Germany and that didn't turn out to well.