Sheriff: Colo. school shooter entered school looking for a teacher before wounding 2, killing self

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  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Dec. 16, 2013 9:44 a.m.

    [Third Try. Comment does not included web links, excessive ALL-CAPS or punctuation, excessive length or violate other formatting rules.]

    Making schools DEFENSELESS zones is not working either.

    People had much broader and freer access to guns in the past, including bringing guns to school, they did not have such problems.

    Contrary to extreme left views, Access to guns is not the problem. It's society that needs fixing.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Dec. 15, 2013 9:11 p.m.

    [Second try, this does not violate any formatting rules]

    Making schools DEFENSELESS zones is not working either.

    People had much broader and freer access to guns in the past, including bringing guns to school, they did not have such problems.

    Contrary to extreme left views, Access to guns is not the problem. It's society that needs fixing.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 14, 2013 3:51 p.m.

    Re not here

    Explain how getting rid of drug free zones would help in any way. I don't think you can. The two aren't even related. It it too much to ask that you think before you post?

    If a shooter enters a school wouldn't it be nice to if good people with guns were also in the school? Please explain how having a good person in a school with drugs would help.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Dec. 14, 2013 2:53 p.m.

    Everyone is looking for the answers as to why or how things like this can or keep happening,
    and FDA has already answered them -- read the FDA black-box warning labels required on all SSRI medications...

  • the old switcharoo mesa, AZ
    Dec. 14, 2013 2:24 p.m.

    You can't have gun control in this country. Just let everyone have machine guns with exploding bullets - it will make us safer. Or better yet, give EVERYONE a red button for our nukes, that should do it.

    Everyone should be walking around armed to the maximum we can be, and that will make us safe says the NRA gun cult.

  • Eliyahu Pleasant Grove, UT
    Dec. 14, 2013 1:36 p.m.

    Every time there's a shooting like this, we hear the same response: we need more guns and more people going armed. If we had a spate of stabbings and slashings with machetes, would we read arguments that everyone should be carrying a machete and that would solve things? It sounds a bit silly when we change the weapon, doesn't it?

  • Eliyahu Pleasant Grove, UT
    Dec. 14, 2013 1:32 p.m.

    @ FT:
    " I suggest if that gun is ever used in a crime or accidental injury or death (suicide, etc.) the penalty would be severe. Mandatory jail time..."

    I've got news for you: There are already mandatory sentence enhancements for using a gun in a crime. Depending on the jurisdiction, five to fifteen years, and it's consecutive to any other sentence and earns no good time. I have no idea, though, how you would impose such a sentence in the case of suicide. Jail time doesn't work for dead people.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 14, 2013 1:03 p.m.

    Excuse me One apparently Very Old Man

    Colorado has all the gun laws anyone could want, of haven't you paid any attention, what good has it done them?

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Dec. 14, 2013 12:35 p.m.

    Joe Blow
    Your comments are spot on. We need to change the approach we are taking with gun control and ownership. The amount of careless owners and guns sold would be dramatically reduced if a person knew he was facing 3-5 years in prison if his gun was stolen or used in a harmful way. Gun owners and activist keep clamoring about their constitional rights. The rest of us have rights too. The right to pass legislation to severly punish and imprison any gun owner who's weapon is used in a violent way, no matter what the reason. Zero tolerance!

    Dec. 14, 2013 11:16 a.m.

    In reply to cjb:

    We need to get rid of gun free zones round schools because there dangerous: If that's the way you feel about it how about we also do away with the drug free zones around schools/ There sure stopping people from selling have using them right? Or how about we do away with crossing guard's and speed limits around school? Will that rate right up there with removing the GUN FREE zones we have around schools and other places that people happen to visit in large numbers?

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 14, 2013 10:55 a.m.

    "Effective" gun control is a worthy goal. It is similar to advocating "effective" mental health measures. Please be more specific and avoid glittering generalities. We are all for "effective" laws. The Colorado incident involved a shotgun, a legitimate hunting weapon that is allowed in most countries with strict gun control.

  • Archie1954 Vancouver, BC
    Dec. 14, 2013 10:46 a.m.

    Why does a mountain state of fresh air and clean water seem to attract much more than its fair share of public, multiple shootings?

  • CBAX Provo, UT
    Dec. 14, 2013 10:23 a.m.

    I agree with the above poster in the sense that the owner of a gun should be responsible and keep is out of the hands of those who shouldn't have it, especially minors. Most of the shootings I have heard of where someone shoots up a school, there was a parent who played a roll in not securing the gun.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Dec. 14, 2013 10:20 a.m.

    Some sort of gun control, if we ever achieve it, won't just be about keeping some weapons out of peoples' hands. It will work towards curbing and changing attitudes. What has our personal arsenal free for all done for our attitude toward guns? Essentially, it says 'hey, if we have them, it's OK to use them'. Guns are just devices. The culture their presence enables, however, is a problem.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Dec. 14, 2013 9:45 a.m.

    Guns need to be locked up. Yes, they can get "stolen". But typically not from a safe. And they typically dont shoot with a trigger lock.

    Those who own guns need to safeguard them from children and theft.

    If a minor gets a parents unsecured gun, the parents should be liable for the outcome.

  • UGradBYUfan Snowflake, AZ
    Dec. 14, 2013 9:23 a.m.

    From the comments made above, it would appear that these gun right activists want schools with armed staff and faculty, or having armed security or policemen on campus. I have been on campuses with police stations on campus. When there was a sporting event, those attending the game went through metal detectors. Honestly, I didn't feel safe, and students became hardened and cynical - even the best kids did.

    Do we want schools to be militarized zones, just in case some crazed shooter comes in? Even though shooters are becoming more common, it is still not frequent enough to warrant spending millions of dollars to arm and train faculty and staff, while undermining the feelings of safety of students and personnel as well. If students and visitors need to go through security similar to what they would see at the airport to go to school each day, do you think they will feel more safe?

    Just arming teachers and staff won't make schools safer. If teachers and staffs are not trained properly, they become part of the problem instead of the solution. Funding for things like increased security won't increase, as we continually under-fund education.

  • Rustymommy Clovis, NM
    Dec. 14, 2013 8:58 a.m.

    This student was probably a minor. It is illegal for a minor to own a gun. He probably stole the gun. So those who think gun control laws will stop crimes are little off base. You can legislate who SHOULD own a gun. But if laws stopped criminals, our jails would be empty. Sure, background check everybody who wants to purchase a gun. But do I think outlawing guns will stop murders? The angry, criminal and mentally deranged folks will always find a way to kill somebody. Can't find a gun? There's always knives, ropes, bombs, arson, etc. We should work harder on treating mental illness, teaching anger management, and promoting negotiating skills. It's not the guns. It's the people holding them.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Dec. 14, 2013 8:51 a.m.

    A new approach needs to be taken by those who excercise their constitional right to own a gun. I suggest if that gun is ever used in a crime or accidental injury or death (suicide, etc.) the penalty would be severe. Mandatory jail time, heavy fines, community service. If you own a gun keep it locked up and inaccessible, otherwise you run the risk of having your life dramatically changed. Careless gun ownership in this country is tearing our communities apart. As a society we have reduced drunk driving with this approach and now is time we constitionally do the same with carless gun owners. Gun owners may be protected by the constition but their careless storage of them is not.

  • Beverly Eden, UT
    Dec. 14, 2013 8:44 a.m.

    Every shooting brings home the reality that we need effective gun control laws. Supporting guns over people is a national mental illness.

  • Lets check the facts Santa Fe, NM
    Dec. 14, 2013 8:42 a.m.

    How come no one has mentioned limiting what we put in kids heads. Over the years, having a fire arm accessible and the number of school shootings doesn't correlate. But school shootings directly correlate with the violence in media, entertainment, "games", and the disintegration of the family. You don't have to be a statistician to figure out what would work to curtail the violence.

  • Nan BW ELder, CO
    Dec. 14, 2013 7:44 a.m.

    Kathy, your comparison of Houston and Chicago are a revealing story in a few words. Good comment!

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Dec. 14, 2013 6:53 a.m.

    Opposition to SENSIBLE gun control measures is insanity.

  • aceroinox Farmington, UT
    Dec. 13, 2013 11:19 p.m.

    Glad to see that Colorado's newly tightened gun laws are so effective in preventive shootings in public places!

  • Kathy. Iowa, Iowa
    Dec. 13, 2013 10:42 p.m.

    I stand amazed at how uninformed gun control advocates are. Houston Texas as about 200 dedicated gun stores and over 1,800 place to buy guns and Chicago has none. Houston had a total of 207 murders and Chicago has 1,800 in 2012. Seems like that "gun control" in Chicago isn't working so well except for criminals.

  • CBAX Provo, UT
    Dec. 13, 2013 8:48 p.m.

    Yes! YES! Everyone, why don't we ban guns completely and totally. Only the military should have guns. Just like only doctors have access to ALL drugs. I love that narcotics are not a problem in this country because they are illegal. That's the best part about the government an all of the laws they make. It makes it so much better for all of us because every act of government is 101% effective in accomplishing the its design.

    We should also have celebrities speak out against gun violence. This will help. Especially because those celebrities have never participated in anything media related or otherwise that condones or worships the use of lethal force daily.

    Stay tuned for more.

  • riverofsun St.George, Utah
    Dec. 13, 2013 8:22 p.m.

    Those making the laws in our country have been bought and sold by the NRA.
    Appears that is why those in charge of both political parties cannot get enough legislators together to bring forth a vote for various laws that have been presented for gun control.

  • StocksOnTheRocks Lehi, UT
    Dec. 13, 2013 8:01 p.m.

    Thoughts & Prayers go out to Colorado, hopefully the victims will have a speedy recovery, and the people of Colorado will pull together after 2 very terrible school shootings.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Dec. 13, 2013 7:10 p.m.

    What is really pathetic about this latest shooting is that it is something that has become almost routine in America.

    Just another school shooting. No big deal.

    Now we need to ask AGAIN, the big question that MUST be answered:

    WHEN will the people of this nation come to our senses and find the courage to stand up to the NRA and DEMAND sensible gun control laws?

    The National Rifle Association is one of the greatest public enemies in America. There ARE ways to gain better control of firearms, but until we are able to get past the overwhelming influence of the NRA there is no chance of even trying to find them.

    How many more must die before we wake up and stand up to Wayne LaPierre?

  • Nan BW ELder, CO
    Dec. 13, 2013 6:36 p.m.

    Gun free zones aren't gun free when someone who isn't law abiding steps into one with a gun. It is an American tradition that citizens should be able to defend themselves and others.

  • 007 Layton, UT
    Dec. 13, 2013 5:50 p.m.


    What will solve it?

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Dec. 13, 2013 5:49 p.m.

    Aside from the blatantly politicized, ungrounded speculation in the idea that "gun free zones" are more dangerous, some comments make me wonder what kind of toxins might be in the water in Colorado... and Bountiful.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 13, 2013 5:42 p.m.

    re riverofsun

    If you feel less guns is the answer regardless of who is in possession of the guns, then I suggest you work to get guns out of the hands of the police and the military.

  • riverofsun St.George, Utah
    Dec. 13, 2013 4:53 p.m.

    How terribly tragic that some feel that more guns will solve this horrific problem at the site where our children are educated.
    Their wish for a heavily armed society defies everything the majority of citizens cherish about America.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 13, 2013 2:00 p.m.

    Although the news hasn't said it yet, given past history, its a pretty sure bet this shooting happened in a gun free zone. These zones are very dangerous. Since we are all looking for common sense solutions, wouldn't getting rid of gun free zones be something we could all agree on?