"If the majority of liberals (democrats) actually oppose abortion, why
don't literally any democrat politicians anywhere take that stance?
Somehow, what you are said doesn't make sense."What
doesn't make sense is when people cannot see the difference between an
individual being opposed to abortion, but in favor of allowing others to be free
to make their own choices about many moral issues on which we all have trouble
agreeing.Just because I believe a certain way does not mean I have
to support platforms that enforce my beliefs on everybody else contrary to their
@Badgerbadger"I wonder what Putin really said, before the interpreter
got to it? Does conservative really have a Russian word equivalent? What Putin
said was anything but conservative. It was all
socialist/communist/progressive."Remember, the biggest
controversy in Russia right now is over that anti-gay bill. Social issues like
that are where Russia falls in line with the right-wing conservatives in the US.
Those positions aren't progressive at all.
@Tators"If the majority of liberals (democrats) actually oppose
abortion, why don't literally any democrat politicians anywhere take that
stance?"Senator Harry Reid. Senator Bob Casey. The difference
between many liberals who oppose abortion and conservatives who oppose abortion
is that they consider it a personal decision (i.e. the "I wouldn't get
one but I'm not going to stop others from getting one" position). Not
that they would literally get one themselves because they're men but you
know what I mean.
Tators: "Whenever I see 2 grown women or 2 grown men kissing each other in
a movie or tv show, it still turns my stomach and I have to look away. It just
does not seem natural, no matter how hard I try to be open to the liberal
viewpoint... And I know many others who feel the exact same way. Gay
relationships are an aboration of nature. Hence, they are only a small single
digit percentage of society." Thank you for exposing your real
motivations for opposing it. In reality, there is no constitutional reason to
discriminate against people just because a sizable portion of the population
thinks it's "icky." I hate eating fish, and I know a lot of other
people the same, should I try to make it illegal?As to your nature
argument, they are actually perfectly natural. A small proportion of numerous
species of animals also practice homosexuality. To not have any homosexuality
would actually be an aberration. Having red hair is also a small proportion of
the population, does that mean it's wrong? My examples are
ridiculous, I'm aware. But they correctly analogize how many people see
Mexican Ute - From the article, "Putin insisted that
foreign-registered companies that operate in Russia and are owned by Russian
citizens "From our left wing president, "Somebody invested
in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t
build that. Somebody else made that happen." (ie. the US citizens who built
the roads and bridges, actually 53% of them built them)Putin and
Barry said the same thing, so how is Putin right-wing and Barry left-wing?More BO worship crazy blindness.
"Easy to do Justice - harder to do Right." Many voices in today demand
justice for all, regardless. But fewer voice "Right be Done."If
one researches the U.S take over of Hawaii, one realizes a similar pattern in
recent US controlling influence in the Middle East - which we are told is done
for 'Our Best Interest' - what ever that best interest is.Putin
put a stop to Pres Obama's intended military strike in Syria, which the
Obama administration perceived as well served justice, but would have been the
wrong thing to have do. And Putin's recent remarks concerning values
resonates 'right' w/many in this country.
Putin is simply a right-wing authoritarian. I would even argue that some
Republicans like Lindsey Graham and John McCain are close to Putin politically.
But honestly I never thought looking at history seeing that it would be of all
nations, a former Communist nation that is lecturing America on morals and
values.Imagine if an American and a Russian died in 1960 and looked
at the world today. The Russian would think the Americans won the Cold War,
espcially with all the new churches constructed. The American would think the
Russians won, with all the new regulations and nativity scenes removed because
one atheist threatened to sue...
I wonder what Putin really said, before the interpreter got to it? Does
conservative really have a Russian word equivalent? What Putin said was anything
but conservative. It was all socialist/communist/progressive. He seems pretty
much the hard core Soviet KGB guy still around from the Cold War. But he is now a Nobel Peace Prize nominee, thanks to Barry. Great work Prez,
giving him more credibility to the rest of the world, and of course less
credibility to the USA.
@ UtahBlueDevil:That's the first time I've ever read that
the majority of American liberals are against abortion. It appears to most
people that an important tenent of the democrat party (the most liberal major
party in America) is to allow a nearly unrestricted access to abortion to all
women everywhere, with no strings attached. When anyone proposes any kind of
reasonable restriction on it, democrats always fight it tooth and nail. If the majority of liberals (democrats) actually oppose abortion, why
don't literally any democrat politicians anywhere take that stance?
Somehow, what you are said doesn't make sense.Beyond that, I
stand by my previous statement that Putin is neither a classic American-type of
lliberal or conservative, but rather a type of Soviet hybrid that no major
American political party would ever claim.
To I M LDS2 and Contrarius:I think we can all agree that Putin is
neither a classic American liberal or conservative. He seems to have a few
elements of each, but is more of some sort of extreme Soviet hybrid. Since
neither any American conserveratives or liberal want to claim him, that's a
pretty fair assumption requiring no further argument on the point.
@Mountanman --"I would say Putin is a classic liberal"Be serious.How many ACLU members do you think would support
muzzling the free press?How many ACLU members do you think would
support the repression of public protest?Hmmmmm. Maybe the ACLU is
actually a conservative organization?? ;-)" liberal opposition
(generally) to traditional marriage"Liberal do not oppose
"traditional marriage". Well, unless by your definition of
"traditional" you mean keeping the wife barefoot and pregnant.Support for same-sex marriage means a EXPANSION of marriage -- not the
replacement or destruction of any part of it.
The attempt to separate religion and politics is not possible and remain true to
" No, the values of Karl Marx, Pol Pot, Moa tse Tung and Joseph Stalin mixed
in with a little Jesus Christ here and there are not my values."Nor do most "liberals" in this country, or even europe associate
themselves with this list of character you just listed. Stop playing the silly
from the fringes game. Over 60% of "liberals" don't also believe
in abortion. There is no black and white chasm here. Most people fall into
the larger gray area where they have progressive view points in one area, and
more conservative in another.Dick Chaney is a great example. No one
would ever call him a liberal. But because he has a gay daughter, his
perspective on the issue is differs from the conservative play book. I know it
is easier to see everything as black and white, because it takes less thinking.
But the real world doesn't fall into two nice little camps like that.
The ability to distinguish politics from religion is a sign of intelligence.I hope and pray we all continue to distinguish these two domains of our
thinking and out lives.
To Mr. Putin,Please stop helping . . .
Baccus. You forgot to mention liberal opposition (generally) to traditional
marriage, any and all restrictions on abortion and most all promotions of self
reliance in your definition of liberalism. Few if any liberals practice what
your definition of them professes. Liberalism creates dependency to government
handouts in the name of compassion, which is just another form of slavery.
Liberal fiscal policies have bankrupted nations (most of Europe) and cities
(Detroit). I can not be a liberal because liberalism conflicts so strongly with
the values of my faith. Look, I am not trying to get you to convert to
conservatism but I can not separate my faith and my politics without living a
lie. But to each their own! No, the values of Karl Marx, Pol Pot, Moa tse Tung
and Joseph Stalin mixed in with a little Jesus Christ here and there are not my
@ MountanmanLiberaladjective1.favorable to progress or
reform, as in political or religious affairs.2.( often initial
capital letter ) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures
of progressive political reform.3.of, pertaining to, based on, or
advocating liberalism, especially the freedom of the individual and governmental
guarantees of individual rights and liberties.4.favorable to or in
accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as
guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.5.favoring or permitting freedom of action, especially with respect to
matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident
artists and writers."Mountanman, some conservative people are
Atheist or Deist.Personally, I consider myself a Christian who believes
that God gave us Free Agency, Intelligence and the ability to absorb new
knowledge. I also believe that Christ taught us to separate what is secular and
what is sacred.""Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's,
and unto God the things that are God's" As a Liberal and
Christian I also believe that we human beings are all brothers and sisters. As
species we wouldn't have been able to evolve and survive independently.
Mountain man wrote:"Every liberal I know believes that all
rights come from government and morality is defined by government."So, what you're saying is you have never even met a liberal.
Baccus. I don't think you are correct in your statement that its liberals
in Russia fighting for more freedoms less corruption. I would say Putin is a
classic liberal who believes in a powerful central government that obfuscates
and dictates personal freedoms and liberties to Russians as he sees fit.
Conservatives believe all liberties come from God and we are all endowed by our
creator with unalienable rights and morality is defined by God. Every liberal I
know believes that all rights come from government and morality is defined by
government. I fear for America because we are becoming more like Russia
everyday, lead by, guess who?
ThidI don't recall the article being about President Obama. The
article is talking about Mr. Putin and his conservative views on what he
considers to be moral or immoral.The Liberals in Russia are fighting
for more transparency, less corruption, more freedom of press, religion,
expression. It is curious how much the Russian Liberals resemble the U.S.
Liberals.On the other hand, those who benefit from the Status Quo
try to maintain it by invoking "morality". And actually many people who
could be considered victim of the ..system defend it, based on patriotism, moral
or religious grounds similar to the Conservatives in the U.S.May be
Walt Disney was right ...is a small world after all. Funny isn't it?
It sounds like Putin is a BYU graduate. The guy could beat Mike Lee
for Senator from Utah.
@ OHBU:Since you can't put your finger on it, then try putting
your mind to it. You'll discover you are making an irrelevent comparison in
comparing apples and oranges in an non-appropriate context. But nice
try, though. But come back again when you have something more politically
Thid,You need to take another look at Putin's track record (are
you seriously defending him?). By the way, DOMA was the scandal,
not its destruction.
Well, Putin certainly schooled Obama in Syria and has far fewer scandals than
Obama's Benghazi, "shovel ready jobs" IRS scams, destroying DOMA,
fast and furious, NSA spying and if you like your health insurance, you can keep
it. period! If you like scandals, lying and corruption, you have a friend in
Hmmm...where else have I heard people railing against "tolerance" and
"defending family values"??? I just ... can't ... quite ... put
... my ... finger on it.Congrats! You've got a friend in
Putin has an excuse. He grew up during the Soviet era. What's
concerns me is that many U.S. citizens sound just like him and wish the same for
Lectures the very man who left his wife for his mistress and has had so many
affairs no one is even counting anymore...
"Putin said Thursday in his annual state-of-the-nation address that Russia
will carry on defending traditional family values."Yeah, like
those "traditional family value" of muzzling the press and ignoring
freedom of speech.If that's what it takes to defend your
"traditional family values", then you've got the wrong traditions.