Health care signups increase to 364,682; numbers still far from reaching projected 1.2 million

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  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 12:24 p.m.

    @Thid Barker

    Thanks for taking the time to respond to my comment with your question...

    My Obamacare?

    fox news entertainers are now referring to Obamacare as the Affordable Care Act...

    Just like the POTUS said...

    When the republicans realize the ACA is not going away...

    They would drop the epithet and begin calling it the ACA...

    Maybe even referring to the fact that the idea came from the republican ultra conservative Heritage Foundation...


    Victor and Driggs are two of my favorite places on this wonderful earth!

    You are lucky to live in such a beautiful place.

  • LoveLife Riverton, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 10:09 a.m.


    Per the Department of Labor website, under HIPAA (1996) pregnancy is not a pre-existing condition:

    "Are there illnesses or injuries that cannot be subject to a preexisting condition exclusion?

    Yes, as follows:

    Pregnancy, even if the woman had no prior coverage before enrolling in her current employer's plan."

    Again, straight from the Department of Labor website. As you advised others, do your research.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Dec. 12, 2013 7:10 a.m.

    Mick.... to your last point... they collect the money the same way they always have. It is called garnishment. If you aren't employed, well then you likely are eligible for a medicaid based plans. Again, that is up to your individual state to determine the level of coverage.

    I am confused though... if you are in the medical care industry, and I have to believe you are not, why isn't your wife on your plan, or are you not adding her to your plan? I am sure there is a logical reason. My wife does work, and she is offered health care, but my company offers a far superior coverage, so I pay an extra $100 a month to have her on my plan. That and my wife is a cancer survivor, so the who pre-existing condition plays big here too.

    Point is the old way, your wife would have been in a bad spot because of her preexisting pregnancy. We had many uninsured for various reasons... there were undeniable problems. There is not doubt there are problems with the new system too. So lets fix it.... what ever it is.

  • Mick Murray, Utah
    Dec. 11, 2013 6:03 p.m.


    I work in the health care industry. I know how it works. But you need the young and healthy signing up for insurance. Not those with pre-existing conditions and problems. They are a cost. Right now they young and healthy are not signing up. How do we do that to off set costs?

    Did you know you don't have to pay the fine unless you are getting a tax refund? That means the IRS cannot come after you for the money. So what good is the tax, I mean penalty, I mean tax? If you don't get a refund they cannot make you pay it.
    One of those things that we should have "read the law" first things.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 5:16 p.m.

    even these numbers are bogus. The bulk of the people that Barack and friends have to have sign up for his little socialism experiment is the YOUNG (age 18-30) and that is NOT happening at all. The 300k so far are just the number of people enrolling but the majority of those are taking the medicare option and NOT buying the Obamacare option. This whole thing is going down in flames unless the young and healthy sign up but they simply won't do it since they don't want or need this expensive crap. So I guess Barack will figure out some new way to threaten and tax this 18-30 group to FORCE them to sign up. Remember the NEW democrat party is all about FORCE not choice.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 2:59 p.m.


    Just google "doctors opting out of Obamacare". That's my source. It may not be accurate, but I did not make it up. I don't make things up like our President does.

    Once again, to any and all current supporters of ACA. Do you really think it was a good idea to interfere with the entire American health system in order to find a way to insure a few million uninsured? I'll bet even Obama himself is beginning to wish he had a "do over". He wouldn't admit it of course, but with his polls in the 30s how could he not?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Dec. 11, 2013 2:33 p.m.

    Mick…. we were all already paying higher cost because of mandated care of uninsured patients. Where do you think the money came from when the medical industry had to care for these people? Did you think the cost just went into the ether? We all payed higher rates to cover the cost of uninsured treatment.

    Kaladin- you wifes plan isn't gone because of Obamacare. Maybe initially, but not now. There is no federal law preventing those companies from offering those plans. It was up to the insurance companies or your state insurance commission who decided to continue those plans, or not. Take you problem to them.

    Again.. because of Obamacare, you wife has to be able to buy coverage… it is the law. She can not be denied coverage. Before Obamacare, then yes, insurance companies could have declined her pre-existing condition. Do some research… your working with bad information.

  • Kaladin Greeley, CO
    Dec. 11, 2013 2:12 p.m.

    @Kimber - and although chief said he will extend those lost plans for a year those lost plans are still lost. They no longer exist and the insurance companies are no longer offering said plans. My wife fell victim to this as her plan was cut due to Obamacare. And no, it wasn't a cut-rate plan that wasn't covering what we needed. It was a good plan that didn't fit all the ridiculous requirements of OC. To compound the problem, my wife is pregnant and we are now scrambling to find insurance/obgyn/hospital before the new year. Congrats on getting coverage, sure wish my wife hadn't had hers taken away for no reason!

  • Mick Murray, Utah
    Dec. 11, 2013 1:43 p.m.


    You have signed up. You do not have and have not paid for the insurance yet. I am glad to hear that you have signed up for possible insurance but that has come with a cost to millions of others. Either in higher premiums or just dropped from their plans or reduced to less than 30 hours a week at work, among other problems . You seem to have forgotten about all those who will suffer because of this horrible law.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Dec. 11, 2013 1:34 p.m.

    @the Rock… (and rest making the same claim)

    From Forbes Magazine - hardly a left leaning journal we have;

    "he percentage of physicians accepting new Medicare patients is “slightly higher” than the percentage of doctors seeing private-insured patients. In all, the government said the number of physicians “who have agreed to accept Medicare” rose to 735,041 in 2013 from 705,568 in 2012."

    They add

    “These findings allay concern that the number of physicians ‘opting out’ of Medicare has increased in recent years,”

    So I am not sure what your source is… but they sure don't match what is published. Perhaps people believe that could be happening, but the numbers surely don't support it. Additionally, Aetna, Humana, United Health Care also report increasing numbers of people subscribing to Medicare Advantage plans.

    The numbers just don't back the claim.

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 1:25 p.m.

    Horse hockey!

    Consider the source- AP, also known as "Administration Propaganda."

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    Dec. 11, 2013 1:17 p.m.


    "The vast majority whose plans were dropped can find an equivalent plan on the exchange for comparable or cheaper cost."

    Not true. Over 60% will see either increased premiums, higher deductibles or both.

    "And you're just making stuff up."

    Once again, you got it wrong. Recent news reports cited this fact that reimbursement rates are so low from Medicaid that health care providers would lose money if they took Medicaid patients. Nobody can afford to lose money for long.

    I know doctors personally that have stated this fact. Over 60% of doctors nationally are refusing to accept Medicaid patients. The same goes for many of the plans at the exchanges. Doctors want to serve and help people but not a great personal loss.

  • Kimber Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 1:16 p.m.

    It is easy for those that are insured and satistied to criticize a program created for those who are not insured or those that are underinsured. People that have not experienced the pain of being denied insurance like I have (or have become bankrupt because of medical expenses) should not criticize. I doubt that a person that have experienced this will be among those that are criticizing. The promise of those being able to keep their insurance if they like it is and was true in theory, but the insurance companies that cancelled the people were not taken into account as it should have been. Hopefully, the extension of those health plans for a year, will help this. But in actuality, people with this problem should take a look at plans that meet the good and fair requirements of the ACA. I am excited to be insured for 2014 and yes, I did sign up through the website and would encourage other uninsured to do the same.
    I'm very excited to have insurance after not having it for close to seven years and wish the best for all those in a similar situation.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 12:56 p.m.


    The story I saw was that doctors will not take patients on the ACA plan. That likely means the prices they can charge whether from Blue Cross or whatever, will not be acceptable. Same was said of the hospitals mentioned above. I don't know details, but it isn't being made up by me. And I'm sure you know that not all doctors take Medicare either.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 12:42 p.m.

    @Chris B
    Heh, you're a week behind on talking points, now conservatives are falsely saying Obamacare doesn't cover babies (except it does and that one story just turned out that the guy forgot to list his 4th child and the error was resolved). The vast majority whose plans were dropped can find an equivalent plan on the exchange for comparable or cheaper cost.

    "The latest nightmare coming with this plan is that a huge number of doctors are NOT going to participate. In California, for instance, upwards of 70%, at this point, have said no."

    And you're just making stuff up.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 11:32 a.m.

    There You Go Again

    No disagreement, as long as YOU acknowledge the same from the Democrats of today with Obama. And wereas we can't change yesterday, we can change today and tommorrow. So with that said, what side are you taking? Supporting Obama just because he is a Democrat, or can you put party aside and recognize his failings in attempting to "Fundamenatly Change America?"

  • Dragline Oream, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 11:16 a.m.

    Saying that doctors will not take patients who have Obamacare is odd in many ways:

    --Obamacare is not an insurance company. So you are saying doctors in CA won't take Humana and Blue Cross insurance bought on the exchanges?

    --Are those doctors taking Medicare? And why aren't you ranting against this truly socialized medicine program?

    --Are you making this up as you go along?

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Dec. 11, 2013 11:13 a.m.

    Re; there you go again. How would you like to be a Democrat politician running for re-election in 2014 trying to explain your Obamacare train wreck to angry voters?

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 10:46 a.m.

    "...the leader of the country...a lapdog political party that blindly supports this... because said leader is from their party. No matter how poorly he performs...".

    Perfect description of republicans from 2001-2008.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 10:11 a.m.

    The latest nightmare coming with this plan is that a huge number of doctors are NOT going to participate. In California, for instance, upwards of 70%, at this point, have said no. And some of the very best medical institutions, like Cedars Sinai in Los Angeles Sloan Kettering in New York have said they opt out of accepting Obamacare. Well, what next? I suppose some Democrats, Liberals, Obama supporters, ect. will now begin to think in terms of passing laws that make it illegal for any doctor or medical institution to not participate in the ACA. Can't wait to see that battle. This is what one gets when a country elects a completely un-vetted, inexperienced, and generally un-qualified person to take their university pie in the sky values and makes them the leader of the country. That and a lapdog political party that blindly supports this just because said leader is from their party. No matter how poorly he performs.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Dec. 11, 2013 9:37 a.m.

    A much more relevant question would be of the very few people who signed up, how many have actually PAID for the insurance they enrolled in? That, my fellow Americans will decide whether Obamacare succeeds or fails. Certainly those with pre-existing conditions or those who can't afford insurance will sign up but who is going to pay for it all? It clearly does not look good for Obamacare.

  • samhill Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 9:19 a.m.

    Obamacare, with all its dysfunctional and duplicitous complexity is rammed down the throats of the country on a completely partisan vote. It's primary web portal is rolled out only to fall flat on its face after over a half **billion** in cost and over 2 years of development.

    It then continues running over the country with millions of people losing insurance plans they were happy with and were **promised** they could keep by none other than the President of the United States, for which, of course, he apologizes though never admitting to his lie.

    It now limps along with some pitiful fraction of the hoped-for number of people actually signing up. Next will come the inevitable stories of fouled/lost/stolen personal data on the back end that will cost hundreds of millions more $'s and who knows how much more time to "fix".

    What's most disappointing to me about this latest dismal example of governmental ineptitude and incompetence is that people have come to expect and, worst of all, accept it. That's terrifying.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 8:58 a.m.

    It's clear barack doesn't understand obamacare and its implications. He promised anyone who wanted could keep their policies, only to go back on that. And his "fix" to that problem is now only temporary, as many plans will still be lost in the coming years.

    Should we be surprised of his lack of understanding after he promised unemployment wouldn't reach 8% if given his first(of many) spendathons of 787 Billion and then unemployment soared to 11%?

    Clearly, barack just doesn't get it.