A decade after Massachusetts ruling, gay marriage gains in United States

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  • LeslieDF Alameda, CA
    Nov. 19, 2013 9:01 a.m.

    Staver, founder and chairman of the Christian legal group Liberty Counsel: "Same-sex marriage represents a classic conflict with religious freedom." "I think there will come a tipping point where the pendulum will swing the other way as people begin to see the impact of same-sex marriage."

    Does he want to say what the "impact" will be?

    The end of the human race, civilization, religion?
    Rampant polygamy, incest, pedophilia, bestiality?
    Loss of desire to marry by other couples?
    Escalating divorce, child neglect, deadbeat fathers?

    A handful of people: wedding photographers, bakers, florists, who think their business is now the practice of their "religion" and everyone else's "religion," can no longer turn away new customers.

    Same-sex marriage and Staver's business certainly provides him new customers. Wonder if he might sue from being overworked, or overlooked. That must be the "pendulum" he anticipates.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 17, 2013 7:15 p.m.

    Almost a decade after MA allowed gay marriage:

    They continue to have the lowest divorce rate in the country.

    And now 15 other states are next in line to allow gay marriage by I believe December.

    I would like everyone to take a moment this Thanksgiving..

    and wonder what all that money donated against gay marriage..could have fed this month?

  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 16, 2013 6:25 p.m.

    A few days ago this paper ran an article about religious freedom where it talked about religious based exemptions for pacifists. I found that a very interesting analogy - a pacifist has the right to refuse to serve in a combat role, but does not have the right to refuse to make cakes for soldiers who do serve in combat roles. Nor can a pacifist refuse to rent to a soldier, or fire a veteran, or refuse to take pictures at a military wedding.

    The article also mentioned exemptions surrounding abortions - and how the more personal exemptions are given, the more are demanded. Now, not only can individuals refuse to assist with abortions, employers want to dictate their employees' reproductive medical care based on the employer's religious beliefs as opposed to the employee getting to make decisions based on their personal religious beliefs.

    It is obvious that the first method is more respectful of all those involved - and should be used when it comes to same-sex marriage.

  • Contrariuserer mid-state, TN
    Nov. 16, 2013 1:24 p.m.

    This is all kind of like forcing kids to taste their carrots for the first time. Some of them will yell and scream and throw tantrums -- but if the parent is firm and patient and unyielding, one or two carrots will eventually go into the kid's mouth.

    And once the kid actually tastes those carrots, he usually figures out that they don't taste so bad after all.

    The same thing is going to happen with same-sex marriages. All these anti-gay folks kick and scream and yell about the end of the world -- but once they actually experience the reality of living in a society with legal gay marriages, they'll eventually figure out that the world is not ending after all.

    And just like carrots is good for kids, honoring the equal rights of gay citizens will be good for the country, too.

  • J. S. Houston, TX
    Nov. 16, 2013 11:05 a.m.

    Sorry Mr. Staver, but this is more like a river of no return. It is inevitable that same sex marriage will be recognized by all 50 states. so stop dreaming about turn back time.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Nov. 16, 2013 10:06 a.m.

    The cat's out of the bag. And it doesn't seem to be wrecking the place.