So, you are saying that the government's regulations and rules that have
already been put in place for healthcare don't work, and people find ways
around them? Color me shocked! The obvious answer must be more government.Obamacare isn't fully implemented yet, but we've already seen
cronyism, fraud, negligence, going way over budget, intimidation, and bribery
(just to name a few)-all at the expense of the taxpayers. Had any
company behaved the way the government has so far, the top executives would be
arrested. No one has been held accountable for anything. I can't understand
for the life of me why anyone thinks the government can run healthcare.
I only wish that were true. Had I been laid off or fires, I would not be
eligable for the group plan I am in now through my employer.A young lady
with Diabedies was taken off her Fathers plan the day she graduated. She could
not get a policy. She died a year later. Why do we let that happen?All
the company needs is an excuse. A person with acute acne problem who did not
state it on his application, needed serious medical attention was dropped
because of a "fradulent application".I go on Medicare in a
year. I'll get the supplimental through my present insurer. I see this as
the way to go for America, a Single Payer System.
Worf~You are correct about the dishonesty regarding preexisting
conditions. There is an article "Obama's Pre-Existing Conditions
Whopper" on Forbes, 10/9/13 by Paul Roderick Gregory. It breaks down (with
links) how the number of people with preexisting conditions is greatly
inflated.Itsjustmeagain, it would be a violation of Hipaa
portability rules if you were denied a new policy if you've had continuous
coverage previously. A few Hipaa rules (via the Labor Department
website):The law defines a preexisting condition as one for which
medical advice, diagnosis, care, or treatment was recommended or received during
the 6-month period prior to an individual's enrollment date (which is the
earlier of the first day of health coverage or the first day of any waiting
period for coverage).Group health plans and issuers may not exclude
an individual's preexisting medical condition from coverage for more than
12 months after an individual's enrollment date.Under HIPAA, a
new employer's plan must give individuals credit for the length of time
they had prior continuous health coverage, without a break in coverage of 63
days or more, thereby reducing or eliminating the 12-month exclusion period.
ulvegaardIn this case Government is not a business, it is a facilitator.
It writes no health insurance policies and does not compete with the Insurance
industry. The web site was a place to shop for policies. The insurance
companies then wrote the policies. Mass has one now and is doing great, ask the
citizens there and the former Gov. I am in a group policy and already meet the
ACA standards. Good thing, I had open heart surgery when I was 40, do you think
I could buy any insurance for my family and me? SHould I just "die
quickly"?Many States developed their own websites. Our Gov. here in
Florida has done everything possible to disenfranchise the citizens. He has
spent millions in legal fees trying to stop our citizens from finding affordable
health insurance. A great disservice. He could have used the millions and
bought a copy of the Mass program and we would have the service and made better
use of Millions.
"Reagan tripled the debt.W. Bush doubled the debt.You cannot say any of that, about Obama.Want lower debt?Vote Democrat."Spreading this misconception again?Fact: Obama added as much to the debt as Bush, but did it in LESS than FOUR
years! At that rate, Obama would more than double the debt by the time he is
done in office (especially if he finds a way to get another term, which given
his moral compass I would not at all be surprised to see him find a way to stay
in power).Fact: Obama added MORE debt than Bush did. Not less.Even if $50 million was spent trying to repeal Obamacare, that's
$50 million spent trying to save the country. That's much wiser than the
trillions Obama is spending trying to destroy the country.Also, how
can the Democrats possibly oppose this bill? We learned in 2010 that most
Democrats need to pass bills so they can find out what's in them.
* Can't believe how dishonest people are of pre-existing condition. If
everybody waited for an illness to get insurance, companies would go broke.* Some people keep blaming George Bush. Wow! I'll make this
perfectly clear,--all American wars combined, does not equal 4 trillion dollars.
Not even one trillion. Democrats struggle with accurate reporting and decieve
many.* With out doubt, Obama holds the worlds record for adding to a
debt. To say other wise is not being truthful, or honest.
Granted, prior to the ACA, people were unjustly being dropped from their
insurance policies and something needed to be done. Now, it seems that the
President has achieved his goal in making everyone more equal --- millions are
being dropped from their policies.Government was never intended to
be a business. Goverments regulate the playing field, provide for the common
defence, promote the general welfare and install infrastructure. They
don't open shop and they don't legislate the closure of businesses nor
people's life styles.It always seemed to me that if corrections
were needed for the overall medical care in this country, it could have been
done in a different way than with a 2,000 page document that includes everything
from Family Planning to lower dollar amounts required before businesses file
1099 forms. The next time we need to find a burglar, let's not burn down
the city to do it.
No one in the administration is canceling insurance policies. The Insurance
industry is on a great quest to cancel policies months before 1 Jan 2014 and
when people call in a panic they are sold a policy outside the published
Exchange rates and they buy. The policy holders are simply profits to these
companies. Contrary to the law, policies grandfathered are being canceled as
well now. Shame on them. Any system that keeps "free market" tactics
like this is not good, time for Single Payer.Every person cancelled who
was walked through the Exchanges for their State or Fed found they bought a
superior policy at an affordable price. You will not see people bankrupt like
before. These people are much better off, especially with the provisions of
preexisting conditions and they cannot be dropped. The House is doing a great
disservice to the citizens of this country, bowing to the money of the
industry.To paraphrase Congressman Grayson: "Congress needs to go,
and go quickly".
The web site will be fixed by the end of November--ObamaHmm?
$4 trillion spent on Iraq. $24 billion spent on the Government
shutdown. $50 million spent on 47 failed attempts to repeal the
ACA. Reagan tripled the debt. W. Bush doubled the
debt. You cannot say any of that, about Obama. Want
lower debt? Vote Democrat.
Cowboy Dude "I challenge President Obama, Senator Reid, and Congresswoman
Pelosi to take their State Health Insurance License test."Until
then it should be illegal for them to be selling their insurance plan.
"it's failing just like we taught people. So why on Earth would you
want to fix it? This is the Democrats' mess--let THEM own it 100%."Because, when we redistribute wealth, the economy slows down. This is
bigger than health care. We must fight now for our country, not sit back and
hope the President fails so we can say...told you so.
I challenge President Obama, Senator Reid, and Congresswoman Pelosi to take
their State Health Insurance License test.
@justmythoughtsno actually it goes well beyond that removing protections
for new policy consumers allowing insurance to deny people with pre existing
conditions and sale the same old high deductible low benefit insurance for
jacked up prices.
Wow! Hundreds of billions spent on shovel ready jobs. Didn't happen!Millions spent on Solyndra. Lost tax money!Now the the
healthcare trainwreck!Don't understand how some keep supporting
If the President was truly sorry for his "lie"... he would NOT oppose
the House bill. The house bill is what everyone thought Obama was saying when
he said we could keep our insurance.
"The final vote was 261-157 as lawmakers clashed over an issue likely to be
at the heart of next year's midterm elections."This is what
this is really about. If they had really wanted to get the passed, simply
putting a time frame on the bill.... say a two extension for people and
insurance companies to get this sorted out.... it would fly through both houses
and be signed. But since the bill is yet another political statement rather
than a real fix, it includes language that makes its term indefinite, it will
likely get a reading in the Senate.Pass something for two years, and
if need be, continue it as needed, just like they do with the budget. But no,
this is about forcing people to make statement votes rather than votes they no
will lead to ultimate legislation to fix the problems.Enough
political games.... lets get down to doing the real business of the people,
rather than doing the business of the party.
@TatorsNo, he's going to veto it because he just wants to delay it
one year while Republicans want to get rid of it forever.
Republicans need to let this go.This is what Democrats have wanted
for decades, and now they have it. Republicans and Conservatives have warned
about it for the same amount of time. It's here; it's failing just
like we taught people. So why on Earth would you want to fix it? This is the
Democrats' mess--let THEM own it 100%.
@toosmart"So we'll see if the Senate and Harry are willing to
make the President a liar or if they are willing to really help people."except the fact is this law as it stands goes well beyond just helping those
that like their plan to keep it. It basically guts the ACA's protections
standards for all customers causing a harm not "help." At what point do
we stop letting insurance companies run amok.
Everyone is focusing on the 39 Dems voting for this. FYI? 222
Republicans voted for this, and Republicans have the majority in the house. What did you honestly expect to happen? Just because you
have the majority in the House, does not mean you run the entire government.
America is not JUST Republican. Now that Obama is trying to ADDRESS
the problem, Obama is a 'salesman' for corporations. Keep
in mind, under our last President, we were STILL being dropped, and no one
did…anything. 'Wellpoint DROPS Coverage For Some Women
With BREAST CANCER' - By Mary Ellen Egan - Forbes Magazine - 04/23/10 'Yesterday, an investigation by Reuters revealed that Wellpoint
routinely drops coverage of women with breast cancer. According to the report,
Wellpoint used a computer algorithm that automatically targeted...' Some of the arguments about the ACA are lacking facts.
This is how changes in laws (as opposed to policies) are supposed to happen...
from the legislative branch of the government and not as an executive order...
the way Obama keeps trying to unconstitutionally change things. Obama will
likely veto this bill because it's not a change initiated by him.
Consequently, he wouldn't get the credit for it. Heaven forbid if
Republicans were to get any credit for something positive in Washington with the
next election less than a year away!
the BIGGER news is that 39 Democrats joined with Republicans to pass the
bill...the bill Barack said he will veto of course because it came from the
GOP..regardless of whether it is good for the country or not. It has gotten to
the point where not even Democrats are willing to follow Barack anymore seeing
him as an un-moving demagogue rigid in ideology and short on common sense. The
man is worse than just a lame duck because not only has his credibility gone
south but his likeability is at an all time low as well. Bottom line - we are
leader-less in the White House.
So we'll see if the Senate and Harry are willing to make the President a
liar or if they are willing to really help people. Oh, what a sticky wicket
when one doesn't tell the truth and it catches up to them.(Why
would anyone be unhappy with Obamacare----after all, it's such a wonderful
fix, a great bargain, and it's as easy to sign up for as falling off a log.
In fact millions have already effortlessly enrolled online and over the phone.
Plus, the coverage is indescribable.)
"Friday's vote came as Obama arranged a meeting later in the day at the
White House with insurance company CEOs..." that's great the president
is now reduced to an insurance salesman, the only problem insurance salesmen
know their stuff, Obama is clueless, he has zero experience in doing anything.
The dude is dying to vote on this, no doubt he'll vote present