A look at the health overhaul proposals

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  • high school fan Huntington, UT
    Nov. 19, 2013 4:54 a.m.

    Obamacare will cover everyone, nope still over thirty million Americans not covered. Obamacare will be cheaper, nope everyone will pay more, some much more. Obamacare will give better healthcare, nope as there will be fewer doctors and fewer choices.

  • techpubs Sioux City, IA
    Nov. 18, 2013 10:48 a.m.

    Currently, there are Medi-Gap Policies that reduce the out-of-pocket expenses for Seniors on Medicare. These are inexpensive policies because they do not have Pregnancy, Maternity, Pre-Existing Conditions Coverage. Because they are only sold to people on Medicare they do not need any Pregnancy or Maternity Benefits. And they charge extra for Pre-Existing Conditions that require higher cost annual maintenance such as Dialysis or COPD. Under the ACA these may no longer qualify as acceptable plans and millions of Senior Citizens could see their costs rise from $100/mo. to $1000/mo. to cover things they don't need or to reduce the cost for other Seniors. Where will they find that in their fixed income of $1000/mo.?

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Nov. 16, 2013 12:35 p.m.

    JSB said: "But,the ACA will create more problems than it cures. Obamacare: Men have to pay for maternity insurance! "

    I pay for it right now and I'm a single male, it's just part of the policy, do you really think policies based on your specific DNA is going to make it cheaper? Wait til they find that gene that say's you will get "X" disease, and your insurance adjust's to 2000% higher. This is only fair to the Insurance industry that they be able to test you for genes that indicate your going to cost them more.

    "The virtue of selfishness" a conservative motto.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 15, 2013 3:24 p.m.

    Maybe I can add a 5th proposal... REPEAL this ugly thing PLEASE!!!

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    Nov. 15, 2013 2:17 p.m.

    I don't know of anyone that says that the current system doesn't have significant problems. But,the ACA will create more problems than it cures. Obamacare: Men have to pay for maternity insurance! Same with women who are well past childbearing age. Did these people ever take a biology class? Obamacare: Married couples are put at a significant economic disadvantage. What will this do to the traditional family? If Obama and our politicians had any brains they would encourage the different states to implement their own programs and then see what really works. Obamacare is like the Wright brothers trying to design a 747 after their first flight. It's bound to crash.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Nov. 15, 2013 1:51 p.m.

    There's a great big contest going on in the country right now and that is: Who will bankrupt the country first----the petroleum industry or the health care industry?

    We all scream about the problems with our health care as we pump billions of dollars into our fuel tanks with nary a second thought or any concern.

    Combined, how's your life style compared with 10 years ago? (or even 5 years?)

  • wYo8 Rock Springs, WY
    Nov. 15, 2013 1:18 p.m.

    I'm just excited to help pay for someone's abortion, sex change, and birth control and every other procedure that this wonderful program offers. I just hope that these same people I'll be helping out will return the favor when as obama once said there may be a time when it will be better and more affordable to offer them pain medication rather than a say a hip replacement or a heart surgery. This delay is all political just to get past the next election. If it is all it is suppose to be why is all the demos running from it that are up for re election next year. They were the ones who voted for it to begin with. mccain is the biggest hippo of them all. In 2010 a senator from Wyoming mentioned all the things that could and would happen when this law went into effect. but no one listened back then.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Nov. 15, 2013 12:52 p.m.


    Far to logical. Our politicians would never go for it.

    And many Americans would blast them is they did. How sad is that?

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    Nov. 15, 2013 12:37 p.m.

    For those politicians who are opposed to the ACA or who just dislike certain aspects - now is the time for them to work to get it right. No, they won't get all they want. No, they won't get it repealed. But there ARE ways to improve it and that will be best with a wide coalition.

    We tried stomping our feet and crying. We tried holding our breath. Let's try sitting down and working together like rational adults.

    What a concept . . .

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    Nov. 15, 2013 12:17 p.m.

    This Law is proof positive that Obama's administration is as forward-thinking as the Bush's administration was failing to plan for the resolution to the Irag War. Obama is doing the same political methodology to this problem as Bush did to the war. These were political decisions not actions of statesmen.

    Both parties are crazy, and they make the worst decisions when the minority party fails to perform their function as loyal opposition, the minority party's job is to keep stupid legislation from passing, and/or cut the worst parts of the stupidity from bills. They do this by working-with the majority party for change, and advising the public of the real problems of the bill.

    The U.S. needs statesmen to run for office, but we (the voters) seem to want to elect politicians that serve the interests of their party, won't reach across to the other political party, and then claims to function in the Nation's best interests.

    I guess in reality, it is our fault for electing these people to office. I may have just joined the "throw all the bums out" party. This includes my Rep, and Senators.

    Nov. 15, 2013 11:53 a.m.

    "Why not put ACA on hold for a year, while Congress re-evaluates and makes changes."

    Congress couldn't agree on a proposal on how to spell "cat."

    I like Senator Landrieu's proposal. Education is the answer.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 15, 2013 11:23 a.m.

    "Why not put ACA on hold for a year, while Congress re-evaluates and makes changes."

    No, because the only significant issue right now is the website. Why do you want to subject people to pre-existing conditions, take away healthcare from millions of college students on their parents plans, take away those who got insurance from the Medicaid expansion, just to deal with the complaint-o-the-day from Republicans?

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Nov. 15, 2013 11:24 a.m.

    Exactly right Thorn.

    We have all known for a long time that health care needs to be addressed.

    It has only been done seriously twice in the last 20 years.
    Under Clinton, the right screamed NO. Under Obama, the right screams NO.

    And when the GOP has control of the government, they do nothing.
    And then wonder why they are branded as the party of NO.

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 15, 2013 11:22 a.m.

    To JSB in Sugar City ID: I respectfully have to disagree with you. What more needs to be said about the current failed healthcare system for folks to wake up? The current system:
    - Denies coverage to people with pre-existing conditions (like dwarfism)
    - Can cancel an existing policy if you get sick with something like cancer
    - Did not cover dependent children in many policies until age 26
    - Is way over priced. If you get seriously ill with no insurance, you likely will lose everything you own (unless you are rich).
    - The outcomes (in terms of quality)in the American Healthcare system are much lower than like 20-30 other nations that have national healthcare systems. In other words, objectively speaking we do NOT have the best healthcare in the world - that is a lie!
    - The life expectancy is higher than the U.S.A. in most countries that have a national healthcare system.
    The existing system is so broken and driven by profit motivated entities like hospitals and other providers (and greedy insurance companies) that there is not hope for the future without reforms. Thank about it my friend.

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 15, 2013 11:16 a.m.

    Why not put ACA on hold for a year, while Congress re-evaluates and makes changes. A committee consisting of an equal number of Republicans and Democrats could do the work, then submit it to the Congress for item-by-item voting.

  • ThornBirds St.George, Utah
    Nov. 15, 2013 11:01 a.m.

    Let the whining, hand wringing, name calling, and frustration continue........
    For many decades, our country has been discussing the problems with Health Insurance and the companies selling it. We all know this is true, although many deny it.
    President Obama is willing to take enormous abuse in trying to make ACA work. He is not going to give up on trying, he is not going to go away. His great determination in getting insurance for all Americans is simply not diminishing,
    Years from now, this will all be put into the same category with the opponents who fought against Social Security and Medicare.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Nov. 15, 2013 10:25 a.m.

    We have to be cautious about the government, insurance companies and commissioners in the various states. They have been dealing with this issue since 2010 and they knew along with the President what was going on. If there is money in it, the companies know it. They were going to get 19 million more customers at government or our expense. Now that may be collapsing so those companies won't lose a dime as the President told us that we wouldn't lose a dime but get $2,500 more in savings.

    The forked tongue speaks again. Integrity doesn't have to have a forked tongue. Deceit is full of people with forked tongues.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    Nov. 15, 2013 10:17 a.m.

    The mess in Obamacare was predictable before the 2,600 page bill that no one had read was passed. It's a nightmare that some delusional people actually think can work. The more Obama tries to defend it, the more he has to lie. Don't vote for anyone who voted for this awful bill.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Nov. 15, 2013 9:59 a.m.

    I dont know about some of you, but when I complain about something, it is because I want it resolved. The resolution is the point, not the complaining.

    And, if I happen to get what I want, I am thankful, and the problem is solved. I might even use the situation in a review. "I had this problem, talked to Management, and they quickly fixed it"

    Not so in politics. When someone complains and they get what they want, they never stop complaining.

    After a while, it starts to look like the goal IS the complaint rather than a solution.

    A friend told me about his biggest complaint about the ACA was that congress was exempt from it.
    I was showed him the facts that congress and staff were the only Americans that were forced by law to get their insurance through the exchanges.

    He was more unhappy after he found out.