Governor signs bill legalizing gay marriage in Hawaii

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  • Contrariusester mid-state, TN
    Nov. 19, 2013 7:44 a.m.

    @atl134 --

    "(My last comment was meant to be directed to Grace)."

    Yeah, don't hang that one on me!! ;-D

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 1:23 p.m.

    (My last comment was meant to be directed to Grace).

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 1:22 p.m.

    "For Bible believers, this is a sad time."

    For Constitution believers, which is the more relevant writing when it comes to the laws of this nation, this is a happy time.

  • Vince here San Diego, CA
    Nov. 16, 2013 8:09 p.m.


    What proof do you have that being gay is a choice? After all, you call yourself a thinker, where's the proof?

  • Vince here San Diego, CA
    Nov. 16, 2013 7:49 p.m.

    Are people who want to protect marriage out to protect all marriages... or only those 50% that do not divorce?

  • J. S. Houston, TX
    Nov. 14, 2013 5:38 p.m.


    Since you shift the topic to same sex polygamy, I assume you agree heterosexual polygamy is wrong, because when one man has multiple wives, the husband and one of the wives are not equal.

    When we talk about same sex polygamy, let's not forget why more and more people support same sex marriage: because it is discrimination only allowing heterosexual couples to marry, but not allowing same sex couples to do the same.

    It would also be discrimination that states only allow same sex polygamy but deny heterosexual polygamy. You either allow both, or deny both. In a twisted way, the rationale of legalizing same sex marriage actually blocks the possibility of same sex polygamy.

  • J. S. Houston, TX
    Nov. 14, 2013 5:28 p.m.


    If you don't accept same sex marriage, no one will force you to marry someone of same gender. If your pastor opposes SSM, no one can force him/her to marry a gay couple.

    However, for those same sex couples who want to get married, you can't block them either.

  • Contrarius mid-state, TN
    Nov. 14, 2013 12:29 p.m.

    @Grace --

    "For Bible believers, this is a sad time."

    Here we go again.

    1. Old Testament laws were replaced by the New Covenant.

    2. Jesus never said a single word against homosexuality.

    3. Homosexuality isn't mentioned anywhere in the Gospels, except for one passage in which Jesus acknowledges -- WITHOUT condemnation -- that some men are "born eunuchs" (in ancient texts, the term "eunuch" included homosexuals) and that such men should not marry women. (Matthew 19:12)

    4. Paul was the ONLY person in the New Testament who spoke against homosexuality. Paul also supported slavery, believed that women were inferior to men, told everyone that nobody should ever get divorced, and claimed that it was better to remain single than to marry. He was a mortal, fallible man.

    5. Many religious people -- including Christians, Jews, and members of other faiths -- support gay rights. They have no trouble reconciling the text of the Bible with the full citizenship of gay people.

    6. Many Christian denominations are already happy to perform gay marriages.

    7. Even if God DOES consider homosexuality a sin, it isn't our job to judge. Judging is GOD'S job.

  • Grace Bakersfield, CA
    Nov. 14, 2013 11:37 a.m.

    pagan, You are correct that Bible-believers have ascribed to their God's standard and declared that is the One and Only standard for all mankind. We follow His voice on this journey according to The Holy One of Israel.

    You make an incorrect assumption about not being able "to support it with facts". Don't broad sweep and assume every voice is proclaiming His Word accurately. Read it yourself and then you will know who is co-opting His Word and twisting it to their own interp. Did you read His Word that I referenced? If not, the dialogue ceases, per His instructions, (Proverbs 13 & 14).

    Some religions claim that God created His children for their "happiness". His Word says He created man to "glorify Him and His Holiness". His Son said the same thing. You err in thinking that all Bible-believers believe the same thing. We have our agency and our intellect. Some of history's greatest minds have been believers.

    I conclude with praying for my country even more, now that they have chosen open rebellion. Any Gay Pride parade will convince believers who is tolerant and who are intolerant.

  • Grace Bakersfield, CA
    Nov. 14, 2013 11:16 a.m.

    There is Good News and Hope. A solution for God's creations:

    “If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.” 2 Chronicles 7:14.

    So we continue to pray for all of God's creations to hear His voice and turn to Him, as everyone is given Hebrews 3:7-4:16 both as promise or judgment: It's your choice. He just begs you to respond when hear His voice, and not perish 'in the wilderness as they did in The Rebellion". The writer warns, as did Moses, John the Baptist, and Jesus.

    So you don't have to naval-gaze about different religions or philosophies. Islam, Judaism and many Eastern religions also prohibit sodomy, bestiality and pedophilia. You just have to make your decision when you hear God's Voice to you. He will sort out who heard and who rebelled. We only warn.

    We want our land and people healed. We appeal to you to consider the solution of 2 Chronicles.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 14, 2013 11:03 a.m.

    'Free thinking will not bring you to concede God's standard. But that doesn't mean you can create your own.'


    Please explain to me how this is NOT what those who believe in the bible, have already done?

    When you BELIEVE in something, but cannot support it with facts…?

  • Grace Bakersfield, CA
    Nov. 14, 2013 10:32 a.m.

    For Bible Believers only:
    Our Houses will honor God and pray for all lost and deceived, for all "sexually immoral" (Rev.21:8) and the other unrepentant sins our God designated for eternal judgment. He warned, but we still love our fellow man as His creation also. We will never condone immorality, legislated or not. That job has already been taken and Satan knows his future.

    Free thinking will not bring you to concede God's standard. But that doesn't mean you can create your own.
    You don't have to believe in God, Hades or Judgment Day. That won't change Revelation 21:6-8.

    Bible-believers have received the loving, living Warning from their Creator. It isn't about restricting man's joy; it's about trusting His reasons. Popularity polls mean nothing, from the Third Reich or the USA. We will not join in murder of unborn babies, sexual freedom of God-haters, legalization of alcohol or drugs, or campaigns of genocide in any country.

    You can list every state/nation on the planet and evil will never hide its identity. We fear God, not man, and sadly watch your rebellion and hatred of His standards.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 14, 2013 10:25 a.m.

    For Bible believers it might be a sad time.

    Isn't it a good thing then that we do not promote ONE religion over others…

    or we would ask why one religion has more 'weight' to some, than others.

  • Grace Bakersfield, CA
    Nov. 14, 2013 10:02 a.m.

    For Bible believers, this is a sad time. 'Sin never was happiness'. God has a standard, He gave it lovingly and for His reasons/our happiness.

    His standard is not about man's desires or attractions. It's about remaining chaste, pure and loyal in spite of those temptations. Changing the definition of His institution makes no difference to believers. We are still to love the sinner (as we all are), but hate the sin. He forbid sexual relationships with same sex, with children, with animals- very clearly, very specifically. So rearranging the Titanic deck chairs won't solve the dilemma. Man's heart is the problem; God is the solution.

    There will still be sadness, divorce, disease, despite legislation. Anyone with friends on planet earth knows that ungodly people can't keep sinful people happy. We try our best, seek forgiveness when we fail, and extend love and support to all. We do not condone what our God has forbidden. We trust His reasons for designing our existence.

    Just because humans have urges does not mean they should be legitimized. All the previous states condoning homosexual marriage makes no impact on His Word. Hitler was popular and successful, too.

  • Contrariusier mid-state, TN
    Nov. 14, 2013 8:54 a.m.

    @Happy Valley Heretic --

    "Hawaii is now truly the "Rainbow State," Congratulations!"

    Speaking of rainbows -- I watched most of the final day of House proceedings for this bill. It was hysterically funny that, while the hearings were going on inside the building, there was literally a rainbow outside shining over the building (it was a rainy day -- they even had a flood warning in some areas). God's rainbow shoulda given those guys a clue. ;-)

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Nov. 14, 2013 8:43 a.m.

    Hawaii is now truly the "Rainbow State," Congratulations!

    This will be a boom for their economy, and besides it's just the right thing to do.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 11:39 p.m.

    16 states now allow gay marriage in just 10 years.

    The crux of the issue? In my opinion…

    'Psychologists NIX gay-to-straight therapy' - AP - 08/05/09

    'The American Psychological Association SLAMS technique that seeks to change sexual orientation.

    'No solid evidence exists that such change is likely, says the report, and some research suggests that efforts to produce change could be HARMFUL, inducing depression and suicidal tendencies.'

    In 2013 years, zero evidence has shown 1) Being gay is a 'choice' 2) Any of the fabricated 'harm' brought by life-long monogamy for LGBT in America.

    With these two claims refuted for over 2,000 years, all the other arguments against gay marriage has fallen to the wayside.

    I wonder what the next 10 years will bring?

    Ohana, means family.

    Family, means nobody gets left behind.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 11:25 p.m.

    Your belief in God is noted.

    And should only apply, to you.

    Leave the rest of us the free agency, your God is supposed to allow others.

  • EDM Castle Valley, Utah
    Nov. 13, 2013 7:46 p.m.

    Free Thinker,

    Can I ask, do you remember when you chose your sexual orientation? Did it present itself to you as a choice, or did it come to you as a natural inclination toward one thing but not the other?

  • FreeThinker Magna, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 5:28 p.m.


    Thank you. I am only too happy to extend to you the same courtesy.

  • intervention slc, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 4:59 p.m.

    @free thinker

    I respect your right to your religious belief's and I am happy this civil law passed.

  • FreeThinker Magna, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 4:25 p.m.

    "Regardless of what civil legislation may be enacted, the doctrine of the Lord regarding marriage and morality cannot be changed. Remember: sin, even if legalized by man, is still sin in the eyes of God!" - Elder Russell M. Nelson, member of the Quorum of Twelve Apostles

    I am certain that I will be criticized for leaning on an Apostle's words instead of standing on my own here. I don't really care. I cannot put it any better than a man of God has done. Please do not misunderstand me. I am not saying that people who choose this lifestyle (to me, it is a choice) are all heading for the fires of Hades. It will not surprise me if some who choose this lifestyle change their minds later and are more willing to follow God's laws than those that profess to do so with their lips only and not their actions. As I said the other day, we are ALL God's children, and we should love each other as Brothers and Sisters, and do the best we can for each other.