@atl134 --"(My last comment was meant to be directed to
Grace)."Yeah, don't hang that one on me!! ;-D
(My last comment was meant to be directed to Grace).
@Contrarious"For Bible believers, this is a sad time."For Constitution believers, which is the more relevant writing when it comes
to the laws of this nation, this is a happy time.
FreeThinker,What proof do you have that being gay is a choice?
After all, you call yourself a thinker, where's the proof?
Are people who want to protect marriage out to protect all marriages... or only
those 50% that do not divorce?
@RedShirtMITSince you shift the topic to same sex polygamy, I assume
you agree heterosexual polygamy is wrong, because when one man has multiple
wives, the husband and one of the wives are not equal.When we talk
about same sex polygamy, let's not forget why more and more people support
same sex marriage: because it is discrimination only allowing heterosexual
couples to marry, but not allowing same sex couples to do the same.It would also be discrimination that states only allow same sex polygamy but
deny heterosexual polygamy. You either allow both, or deny both. In a twisted
way, the rationale of legalizing same sex marriage actually blocks the
possibility of same sex polygamy.
@GraceIf you don't accept same sex marriage, no one will force
you to marry someone of same gender. If your pastor opposes SSM, no one can
force him/her to marry a gay couple.However, for those same sex
couples who want to get married, you can't block them either.
@Grace --"For Bible believers, this is a sad time."Here we go again.1. Old Testament laws were replaced by the New
Covenant.2. Jesus never said a single word against homosexuality.3. Homosexuality isn't mentioned anywhere in the Gospels, except
for one passage in which Jesus acknowledges -- WITHOUT condemnation -- that
some men are "born eunuchs" (in ancient texts, the term "eunuch"
included homosexuals) and that such men should not marry women. (Matthew
19:12)4. Paul was the ONLY person in the New Testament who spoke
against homosexuality. Paul also supported slavery, believed that women were
inferior to men, told everyone that nobody should ever get divorced, and claimed
that it was better to remain single than to marry. He was a mortal, fallible
man. 5. Many religious people -- including Christians, Jews, and
members of other faiths -- support gay rights. They have no trouble reconciling
the text of the Bible with the full citizenship of gay people.6.
Many Christian denominations are already happy to perform gay marriages.7. Even if God DOES consider homosexuality a sin, it isn't our job
to judge. Judging is GOD'S job.
pagan, You are correct that Bible-believers have ascribed to their God's
standard and declared that is the One and Only standard for all mankind. We
follow His voice on this journey according to The Holy One of Israel.You make an incorrect assumption about not being able "to support it with
facts". Don't broad sweep and assume every voice is proclaiming His
Word accurately. Read it yourself and then you will know who is co-opting His
Word and twisting it to their own interp. Did you read His Word that I
referenced? If not, the dialogue ceases, per His instructions, (Proverbs 13
& 14).Some religions claim that God created His children for
their "happiness". His Word says He created man to "glorify Him and
His Holiness". His Son said the same thing. You err in thinking that all
Bible-believers believe the same thing. We have our agency and our intellect.
Some of history's greatest minds have been believers.I conclude
with praying for my country even more, now that they have chosen open rebellion.
Any Gay Pride parade will convince believers who is tolerant and who are
There is Good News and Hope. A solution for God's creations:“If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and
pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from
heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.” 2
Chronicles 7:14.So we continue to pray for all of God's
creations to hear His voice and turn to Him, as everyone is given Hebrews
3:7-4:16 both as promise or judgment: It's your choice. He just begs you
to respond when hear His voice, and not perish 'in the wilderness as they
did in The Rebellion". The writer warns, as did Moses, John the Baptist,
and Jesus.So you don't have to naval-gaze about different
religions or philosophies. Islam, Judaism and many Eastern religions also
prohibit sodomy, bestiality and pedophilia. You just have to make your decision
when you hear God's Voice to you. He will sort out who heard and who
rebelled. We only warn. We want our land and people healed. We
appeal to you to consider the solution of 2 Chronicles.
'Free thinking will not bring you to concede God's standard. But that
doesn't mean you can create your own.' Fine.
Please explain to me how this is NOT what those who believe in the bible, have
already done? When you BELIEVE in something, but cannot support it
For Bible Believers only: Our Houses will honor God and pray for all lost
and deceived, for all "sexually immoral" (Rev.21:8) and the other
unrepentant sins our God designated for eternal judgment. He warned, but we
still love our fellow man as His creation also. We will never condone
immorality, legislated or not. That job has already been taken and Satan knows
his future.Free thinking will not bring you to concede God's
standard. But that doesn't mean you can create your own. You
don't have to believe in God, Hades or Judgment Day. That won't
change Revelation 21:6-8. Bible-believers have received the loving,
living Warning from their Creator. It isn't about restricting man's
joy; it's about trusting His reasons. Popularity polls mean nothing, from
the Third Reich or the USA. We will not join in murder of unborn babies, sexual
freedom of God-haters, legalization of alcohol or drugs, or campaigns of
genocide in any country.You can list every state/nation on the
planet and evil will never hide its identity. We fear God, not man, and sadly
watch your rebellion and hatred of His standards.
For Bible believers it might be a sad time. Isn't it a good
thing then that we do not promote ONE religion over others… or
we would ask why one religion has more 'weight' to some, than others.
For Bible believers, this is a sad time. 'Sin never was happiness'.
God has a standard, He gave it lovingly and for His reasons/our happiness.His standard is not about man's desires or attractions. It's
about remaining chaste, pure and loyal in spite of those temptations. Changing
the definition of His institution makes no difference to believers. We are
still to love the sinner (as we all are), but hate the sin. He forbid sexual
relationships with same sex, with children, with animals- very clearly, very
specifically. So rearranging the Titanic deck chairs won't solve the
dilemma. Man's heart is the problem; God is the solution.There
will still be sadness, divorce, disease, despite legislation. Anyone with
friends on planet earth knows that ungodly people can't keep sinful people
happy. We try our best, seek forgiveness when we fail, and extend love and
support to all. We do not condone what our God has forbidden. We trust His
reasons for designing our existence. Just because humans have urges
does not mean they should be legitimized. All the previous states condoning
homosexual marriage makes no impact on His Word. Hitler was popular and
@Happy Valley Heretic --"Hawaii is now truly the "Rainbow
State," Congratulations!"Speaking of rainbows -- I watched
most of the final day of House proceedings for this bill. It was hysterically
funny that, while the hearings were going on inside the building, there was
literally a rainbow outside shining over the building (it was a rainy day --
they even had a flood warning in some areas). God's rainbow shoulda given
those guys a clue. ;-)
Hawaii is now truly the "Rainbow State," Congratulations!This will be a boom for their economy, and besides it's just the right
thing to do.
16 states now allow gay marriage in just 10 years. The crux of the
issue? In my opinion… 'Psychologists NIX gay-to-straight
therapy' - AP - 08/05/09'The American Psychological
Association SLAMS technique that seeks to change sexual orientation.
'No solid evidence exists that such change is likely, says the report, and
some research suggests that efforts to produce change could be HARMFUL, inducing
depression and suicidal tendencies.' In 2013 years, zero
evidence has shown 1) Being gay is a 'choice' 2) Any of the fabricated
'harm' brought by life-long monogamy for LGBT in America.
With these two claims refuted for over 2,000 years, all the other arguments
against gay marriage has fallen to the wayside. I wonder what the
next 10 years will bring? Ohana, means family. Family,
means nobody gets left behind.
Your belief in God is noted. And should only apply, to you. Leave the rest of us the free agency, your God is supposed to allow others.
Free Thinker, Can I ask, do you remember when you chose your sexual
orientation? Did it present itself to you as a choice, or did it come to you as
a natural inclination toward one thing but not the other?
@interventionThank you. I am only too happy to extend to you the
@free thinker I respect your right to your religious belief's
and I am happy this civil law passed.
"Regardless of what civil legislation may be enacted, the doctrine of the
Lord regarding marriage and morality cannot be changed. Remember: sin, even if
legalized by man, is still sin in the eyes of God!" - Elder Russell M.
Nelson, member of the Quorum of Twelve ApostlesI am certain that I
will be criticized for leaning on an Apostle's words instead of standing on
my own here. I don't really care. I cannot put it any better than a man
of God has done. Please do not misunderstand me. I am not saying that people
who choose this lifestyle (to me, it is a choice) are all heading for the fires
of Hades. It will not surprise me if some who choose this lifestyle change
their minds later and are more willing to follow God's laws than those that
profess to do so with their lips only and not their actions. As I said the
other day, we are ALL God's children, and we should love each other as
Brothers and Sisters, and do the best we can for each other.