"Stanford would be favored by 10 points, and that was BEFORE Stanford
curb-stomped Oregon."Stanford was favored last time they played
Utah... Games aren't played on paper.
SamuraiSagarin has already done the math; in a rematch, Stanford
would be favored by 10 points, and that was BEFORE Stanford curb-stomped
Oregon.No need for the actual rematch, however. We'll get a
very clear indicator of just how over-matched Utah would be when Oregon gets
through curb-stomping the Utes next week.
@uteologyThe truth really hurt you I see. Yes stanford and osu were
obviously overrated and I was as guilty as anyone for thinking so highly of
them. I enjoyed your angst over my pointing it out though. Good stuff.
swoop (original)Living in your own little fantasy world, where
rematch games apparently exist, and supposedly mean something, must be fun for
you?I, on the other hand, enjoy the actual wins my Utes already
claimed this season over Stanford, USU, and YbU. No fictional rematches
necessary.Anybody who knows anything about college football
understands that fictional rematch games hold no bearing whatsoever on REALITY.
By all means, keep dreaming, though!Go Utes!
truthsandwichIt's fun to live in your own little fantasy world,
but NOBODY that knows anything about college football and who watched the
Oregon-Stanford game last night, and the Utah-USC game last week, would give
Utah any chance at all of beating Stanford in a rematch.Stanford
would CRUSH Utah in a rematch, it wouldn't even be close.
Only on the D-News comment boards could an article on the Stanford-Oregon game
lapse into the usual BYU/Utah trollfest complete with coach's resumes and
stats from seasons long since past in the never ending pursuit to prove team
superiority. I believe that it was Knute Rockne who famously stated,
"Let's win one in the comment boards!". We all should be so proud.
@ truth machine"Stanford would CRUSH Utah if they played
again"I'm sure all the hypotheticals in your head are very
comforting, but in reality, what happened when those two teams played?What happened when BYU took a bye week to be extra prepared for their super
bowl?What happens when BYU plays Utah every year?Thanks
Sam R IUtah will finish with another losing season and will spend
bowl week from the comfort of their couch watching BYU play a decent PAC 12
opponent in the Fight Hunger Bowl.Enjoy the crow.
Uteology#24 Air Force finished higher in the AP poll than #25
Pittsburgh.True end of discussion.btw, Stanford would
CRUSH Utah if they played again.
Stanford will finish inside the top 5, whereas Texas will not crack the top 25.
And Oklahoma's embarrassment at Baylor doesn't help YbU's SOS,
either. Neither does Virginia, who continues to lose by large margins.Happy Valley Crow must be tasty.
@DuckhunterHighland, UT@54iqYou are
absolutely right about that, I have made the mistake of over rating pac12 teams
all year long. Obviously none of them are as good as hyped. ... It is quite
obvious neither of them ever belonged in any discussion of the bcs championship.
-----------No, what is obvious is your opinon is
meaningless. Considering that the PAC-12 is considered by most experts as the
2nd toughest league, anyone who argues against that is quite obviously cluless.
BYU is 7 plays from being in the BCS championship discussion.
@TroyTownUteology"So what if he had 54 yards against
Washington State? Washington State got hammered by Stanford."That's the point; it wasn't Utah's sterling rush defense that
kept Stanford's rushing offense in check, it was Stanford's
bone-headed decision to get into a passing contest with Utah.-----------Nope! Stanford passing game in the Utah game was no
different any other game. 10/5 Washington W 31-28 12/20 100 YDS
60.0 CMPT% 1 TD 1 INT 108.5 RAT10/12 @Utah L 27-21 15/27 246 YDS 55.6
CMPT% 1 TD 0 INT 144.3 RAT10/19 UCLA W 24-10 18/25 227 YDS 72.0 CMPT% 1 TD
1 INT 153.5Stanford averages 205 rusing yards per game: vs Washington 179 Rushing Yardsat Utah 143 RYDSvs UCLA 192 RYDSThe difference was our rushing defense, we won the TO margin, and our
offense:"They're good. They've always been good and we
just weren't good enough," Stanford coach David Shaw said. "This is
as well as I've seen Utah play on the offensive side. They really strung
mussingaroundYeah, byu is so highly regarded in the polls they have
only two losses and still haven't cracked the top 25. It must be that top
25 schedule that Holmoe lined up. LOL!Look at it this way,
sport...4 of 4, 9 of 12. Utah answered your point ON THE FIELD.
Again, LOL! at your desperation.
@54iqYou are absolutely right about that, I have made the mistake of
over rating pac12 teams all year long. Obviously none of them are as good as
hyped. stanford lost to an incredibly average utah team and oregon got
absolutely worked by stanford. It is quite obvious neither of them ever belonged
in any discussion of the bcs championship. there is no doubt I over rated them
both. My bad for sure.
MyPerspectiveDespite your frantic and emotional attempts to deny
reality, the simple truth is this:Latest BCS StandingsStan - #5 BYU - #27Utah - #45Quite obviously, it
isn't just "BYU fan logic" that says that BYU and Stanford are
BETTER than Utah.
skywalkerPalo Alto, CAUteologyIn determining
"over rated" you have to consider the ENTIRE body of work, not just one
or two highlights.Pittsburgh 2004 wasn't even close to as good
as Air Force 1984.--------------Sorry, one was ranked
the other was not. End of discussion.Take it up with worf he's
defined BYU as an overrated national champion for not beating a top 5 team.
Uteology"So what if he had 54 yards against Washington State?
Washington State got hammered by Stanford."That's the
point; it wasn't Utah's sterling rush defense that kept
Stanford's rushing offense in check, it was Stanford's bone-headed
decision to get into a passing contest with Utah, instead of staying with what
Stanford does best, grind other teams down with their rushing game.
UteologyIn determining "over rated" you have to consider the
ENTIRE body of work, not just one or two highlights.Pittsburgh 2004
wasn't even close to as good as Air Force 1984.The 2004
Panthers finished in a four-way tie - Boston College(9-3), Pittsburgh(8-4), West
Virginia(8-4) and Syracuse(6-6) - for 1st in the pathetic Big Least, only one
game ahead of 5th place Connecticut in a 7-team conference.Air Force
1984 finished #24 AP (tied with Notre Dame, whom they beat 21-7), #26 Coaches,
and stomped Virginia Tech(8-4) 23-7 in the Independence Bowl.
Christine B. Hedgefog"Course, using u logic:
u>Stanford>Oregon therefore it's obvious u>Oregon"What? You are attributing that logic to the wrong fan base, sport. byu fans
have been using this for weeks to show that the cougs are better than the Utes.
After all, it's easier to prove it on comment boards than it is to prove it
on the field. So sad that byu does not have the opportunity to play the best.
Uteology"Our defense was abouslty lights out at USC. Our
problem once again is our offense, but then again we've proven we can
handle BYU with a 109 and 105 ranked offense and a D2 QB."While
it is absolutely true that Utah's domination of byu continues, we
can't let that be a distraction from the more important matter of our
standing in the elite Pac-12. Therein, is the true value of the Utah program.
We have a ways to go but we are most definitely getting there.
@nosaerfoeciovethLove your posts. Keep up the good work, sir!GO UTES
Interesting game to watch last night. Stanford dominates until the final few
minutes. I really like their style of play. Kudos to the U for somehow beating
the Cardinal.Obviously Ute fans have a vested interest because of
their win over Stanford.One of the ESPN game commentators said the U
loss will hang like an albatross over Stanford's head for post-season (BCS)
games...specifically getting into the NC game.Congrats, Utes on your
win over Stanford. Ironically the Utes may have cost themselves additional NC
bowl revenue and their own bowl hopes even if they finish 6-6 since all PAC-12
teams may slide down a notch without an NC participant depending on how the rest
of the season goes.The U's upset win cost the "Conference
of Champions" a chance at the championship. This must be a conundrum for a
fan base that cheers conference membership and prestige more than their own
team's accomplishments—or lack thereof.
Say, this is interesting. A healthy Utah team beats Stanford and a pumped up
Stanford team beats Oregon. So, based on the logic that I have been reading in
the posts of byu fans for several weeks, Utah is better than Oregon. Of course, being in an elite conference means that the Utes will have the
opportunity to show it on the field. That's the biggest difference between
membership in an elite conference and independence. Instead of being declared
the best team in all the world based on the twisted scenarios contrived by byu
fans on comment boards, the Utes have to go out and prove it. Hmmmmm, I wonder which world a normal college football would rather live in?
Wait, I think I know...GO Pac-12! As an additional prize, the Utes continue to
be the dominant program in the state of Utah.nosaerfoecioveht"I bet if you guys started a petition with your fellow byu fans, you could
change "Tradition, Spirit, Honor" to your real mantra: "Coulda,
Woulda, Shoulda" Might as well make it official." Yep...you
@PAC manUtah did beat a ranked team, AP #25 Pitt. Air Force in 1984
was not ranked and according to your own fan they are overrated becuase they did
not beat a top 5 team. End of disucssion, it wasn't me, take
it up with worf.@Uteanymous"Utah's tactic of stacking
the box with 9 or 10 would have failed miserably if Taysom's passing game
had been working like it is now."We had 8 guys in the box, man
coverage in the secondary. And your assuming that Utah's defense
wouldn't adjust. Our defense was abouslty lights out at USC.
Our problem once again is our offense, but then again we've proven we can
handle BYU with a 109 and 105 ranked offense and a D2 QB. So what if
he had 54 yards against Washignton State? Washington State got hammered by
Stanford.Stanford 55 ... 560 total yards (238 rushing, 322
passing)Washington State 17
This was the most well written article of any I've read in ages.And Chris B. is by far the most thoughtful, civil dialog minded,
non-disruptive, down to earth, common sense, stick to the topic, commenter ever.
I mean, I've learned tons about BYU from her comments on this article
alone, even though BYU isn't even mentioned in the article. Now
THAT'S on topic!I especially appreciate the consistency with
which the DNews censors apply policy to comments. A more consistently managed
comment section doesn't exist in all of 'journalism'.There, does that clear the policy hurdle my last 10 comments haven't?Or isn't sarcasm allowed either?
BYU fans:uteBusters"Fortunately for Utah, Stanford
won't get a change for a rematch against Utah in the PAC championship game,
because the Cardinal would absolutely curb stomp the Utes"Uteanymous "Utah's tactic of stacking the box with 9 or 10
would have failed miserably if Taysom's passing game had been working like
it is now."I bet if you guys started a petition with your fellow
byu fans, you could change "Tradition, Spirit, Honor" to your real
mantra: "Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda" Might as well make it official.
@ChrisBOh well that is quite the feat. lol
@Christine,No, our logic is we are capable of beating any team in
the nation if we can beat an otherwise undefeated top 5 team.Stanford will almost undoubtedly finish the season the season in the top 10,
meaning this is the THIRD time Kyle has beaten an END of season top 10 team.When was the last time bronco beat an END of season top 10 team?This will be fun.Thanks in advance for letting me know who
bronco has beaten that was end of season top 10.Surely a coach that
has plans of winning a national title would have at least 1 end of season top 10
win in 8 years right?
Got to admit, I sat there watching Stanford pummmel Oregon and kept asking
myself, how did those guys lose to Utah? The Utes win over Stanford is probably
the spoiler of the year, as I think that Stanford could very well have been
pushed into the 2nd spot had they been undefeated going in. After watching the
type of team that can beat Oregon, I now believe that had Oregon gone up against
Alabama, the results would have been the same. Big lineman and tough running
are what will beat Alabama, not flashy speed. And, I must admit that prior to
last night, I thought Oregon should go to the big game. Now I think Florida
State would make a much better Rose Bowl this year, assuming of course Alabama
gets there. How about an Oregon/Baylor game. That could set a scoring record.
P.S. The most overated team now I think is Ohio State, due to the fact that
they don't play a tough schedule. Although Urban Meyer is a great coach, as
I know you Ute fans know.
Wouldn't want to be Oregon's next opponent.Course, using u
logic: u>Stanford>Oregon therefore it's obvious u>OregonWe'll kill Oregon next week, right after we kill ASU tomorrow!Bring on the Roses and give Kyle a raise!
utah beat stanford and stanford beat oregon. Utah should be #2 in the nation
because they are the best team in the world!! jk, i hate when people put stuff
like this to troll. utah was the better team the night they beat stanford. it
was a great win for their program but that doesn't change the fact that
they are botton dwellers. arizona st will curb stomp them tomorrow and then
utah will recieve all of oregon's fury... bad two weeks for utah coming.
they will have a shot at beating wash st and maybe colorado.
Stanford is overrated? They just held the 2nd highest scoring team to 0 points
through 3 and a half quarters. Maybe it is your overrated team that can't
ever beat the Utes who is overrated.
jakarus,Whit beat Colorado last time they played.Which
is more than we can say about byU(or the time before that, or the time before
that, or the time before that)Too easY.LOL!
Losses to Oregon St, UCLA, Arizona, and USC proof that Utah's win versus
Stanford was nothing more than one of those inexplicable upsets to lesser teams
that occur every year - like decent Utah teams losing to 10-loss teams - it
doesn't prove that Utah is better than Stanford.
UteologyYour statistical analysis leaves out one very critical
factor - BYU's passing game had not clicked in by the time BYU played Utah.
Utah's tactic of stacking the box with 9 or 10 would have failed miserably
if Taysom's passing game had been working like it is now.Tyler
Gaffney had 108 yards rushing versus Utah, which is double what he got against
Washington St in almost the same number of carries, but Stanford, for whatever
reason, got impatient and decided to get into a passing duel with Utah.
Great job Stanford, thanks for helping out my Noles!!
@ChrisBThen why can't K Whitt beat Colorado? lol
Fortunately for Utah, Stanford won't get a change for a rematch against
Utah in the PAC championship game, because the Cardinal would absolutely curb
stomp the Utes.
Another example of why teams play the game, rather than just talking about
who's better.Stanford is clearly better than Utah, yet the Utes
beat the Cardinal a few weeks ago.Most people thought Oregon would
beat Stanford, but what matters is what happened on the field last night.I am confident that BYU is better than Virginia, but the Cavaliers won
the game.I am curious to see how the Cougars perform against
Wisconsin.There has been plenty of talk on these boards about what
Arizona State is going to do to Utah tomorrow. I'm hoping that the Utes
play like they did a month ago and get another important win.Go
UteologyIn 1984, BYU beat Air Force(8-4) which finished #24 in the
Final AP poll, technically not ranked only because the AP rankings only included
the Top 20 in 1984.BYU 1984 had more regular season wins over teams
with winning record (four), than Utah 2004 (three).Regular season
wins versus teams with winning records:BYU 1984: #24 @Air
Force(8-4), @Hawaii(7-4), @Utah(6-5-1), and Tulsa(6-5) Utah 2004:
Texas A&M(7-5), @New Mexico(7-5) and @Wyoming(7-5)Until the
Fiesta Bowl, Utah's 2004 BCS busting team hadn't beaten a single
opponent that finished the season with less than 5 losses.BYU, by
comparison, finished the 1984 season on a 24-game winning streak that included
road wins versus two teams ranked in the Top 15, as well as the #24 Air Force
team already discussed. A team that had finished in the Top 12 in five of the
six seasons from 1979 to 1984, including a Top 7 finish in 1983, could hardly be
"Just keep telling yourself that Utah didn't "really" beat
Stanford... heck Stanford beat themselves... And while we're at it,
I'm sure BYU beat themselves in the Virginia game too."Much
as it pains Utah fans to admit it, absolutely true in both cases.
U 90Just keep telling yourself that anybody besides Utah fans thinks
the Stanford win was anything more than a monumental upset.Beat
Oregon and you'll have a case that the Stanford win was legitimate.Get curb-stomped by Oregon, which is what is really going to happen, and
you'll prove that the Stanford win was nothing more than a TOTAL FLUKE.
worfMcallen, TXI did not lie about Stanford being over
rated.* I said they are over rated until they beat a top five
team.* I should have explained better.* It depends on the definition
of over rated.------------What top five team did BYU
beat in 1984? Top 10? Top 25? So you admit that your team was
LonestarRunnerSalt Lake City, UTCG"Stanford is
either vastly over rated or Stanford's loss to Utah was a total
fluke."TOTAL FLUKE!Even the talking heads were
saying that Stanford's loss to Utah was more attributable to Stanford
getting away from what the Cardinal does best, run the ball, than anything Utah
did.----------They like you need to go ask USC on what
Utah does best. Hint: Run defense.USC had 30 rushing yards,
averages 178 per game... held to minus 148 yardsArizona 300, average
275... plus 30Stanford 143, average 197... minus 54UCLA 186, average
193 ... minus 7BYU 183, average 259 ... minus 76The
difference, turnovers by the offense. Stanford and BYU were the only games
where we won the turnover margin.
I did not lie about Stanford being over rated.* I said they are over
rated until they beat a top five team.* I should have explained better.* It depends on the definition of over rated.
Lonestar,Just keep telling yourself that Utah didn't
"really" beat Stanford... heck Stanford beat themselves, right. Just
like BYU beats themselves every tine they play Utah. And while we're at
it, I'm sure BYU beat themselves in the Virginia game too. Lets just make a rule right now that Utah never deserves a win and BYU never
deserves a loss.
DuckhunterHighland, UT3:23 p.m. Nov. 5, 2013What makes you so
sure stanford will finish in the top 10? They will more than likely lose to
oregon... If oregon goes to the bcs championship game, a likely occurance, then
stanford will default into the rose bowl where they will probably get
unceremoniously pummeled by a superior ohio state team. That is at least 3
losses right there and no chance of being in the top 10. I'll give you
this (Chris B.), you aren't afraid to make foolish comments and
predictions, or maybe you truly believe them which makes it even sadder. LOL!DuckhunterHighland, UT10:08 a.m. Nov. 7, 2013I thought
stanford was better than it is, but the loss to utah definately exposed them.
CG"Stanford is either vastly over rated or Stanford's loss
to Utah was a total fluke."TOTAL FLUKE!Even the
talking heads were saying that Stanford's loss to Utah was more
attributable to Stanford getting away from what the Cardinal does best, run the
ball, than anything Utah did.It'll be interesting to see what
Oregon does against their next opponent.
DuckyTell me again how Stanford's season plays out. "After
they lose to Oregon..." etc.Once again I am impressed with your
conviction. You are certain in your knowledge... if only that knowledge would
stand the test of reality!I did try to respond to your earlier
response to my post but let's just say the D-news censorship prevented a
very civil response.
@ duckhunterEarlier today: "It is obvious at this point in the
season that Stanford is vastly overrated.""LOL"Sorry, you're already having a hard time on this thread, but I
@Marked it DownNo, it means that Utah, like Appalachian St beating
Michigan, is capable of pulling off a monumental upset.--------------Nope. Michagon was a 33 point favorite
over Appalachian State. Stanford was a 7 point favorite over Utah.I think even you can see the difference. Maybe.@DucksterIf stanford wins it will mean that oregon will be irritated to the point they
might put up 90 points on utah next week which would be extremely funny. ------------Lucky for your team you play Idaho State next
week. To beat Oregon you need a physical team and an offense that
can execute slow, long drives (like Stanford). With "go hard,
go fast" in the rain it would be extremely funny watching BYU get outscored
by triple digits by halftime.
@duckhunterYou don't care?6 posts on one article indicate you
are frantically and emotionally obsessed with UTAH football.Your last
denial is an admission of your obsession with UTAH Football.You spent 5
comments telling readers you don't care, yet you needed another comment to
prove to everyone that you do care...that you do have a total obsession with
UTAH football.No obsession...don't care...why not just make one
comment and then let it go?Why not?Because you are frantically and
emotionally obsessed with UTAH football.I understand your hypocrisy, I
just don't ignore it.Still don't care?Welcome to
Comprehension 101.Very funny stuff.LOL.
Nice predictions from Worf and Duck about Stanford losing tonight.Typical.
"Not with a loss to a team like utah they won't."With a
top 5 ranking moving higher they will. Also, if you haven't noticed this
game already does have something to say about the national title picture.
Don't be so "frantic and emotional."
utah gets to play a happy Oregon Duck team next week...
@stg"Stanford may still have something to say about the national
title picture."Not with a loss to a team like utah they
Mark Helfrich's vanity may lose this game for Oregon. Going for it on 4th
down in the red zone, sticking with plays to showcase his Heisman hopeful.
Stanford may still have something to say about the national title picture.
worf, when "many" teams do, you would have a point. But then Stanford
wouldn't be ranked in the top 10. But since Stanford has already played
many non-top 10 teams, only losing to one, your theory is...Conjecture!
Oh and by the way utah "fans", I personally don't care who wins
between oregon and stanford. If stanford beats oregon that just clinches that
there will once again not be a pac12 team in the bcs championship game. If
oregon wins that just clinches that christina will once again have put her foot
in her mouth.If stanford wins it means only one pac12 team is in the
bcs which knocks utah even farther down the bowl pecking order and makes it even
less likely they will make a bowl game even if they get 6 wins. If
stanford wins it will mean that oregon will be irritated to the point they might
put up 90 points on utah next week which would be extremely funny. So really all scenario's for this, stanford wins, oregon wins, whichever,
are going to be fun for me.
@thebleakThat is like whittingham, who after making some lame excuse
for his teams poor play then says "but we don't make excuses". Yes
whittingham makes lame excuses all of the time and nosaerfoecioveht makes
replies to me all of the time.Just saying "usually"
doesn't actually make it true, just like saying "but we don't make
excuses" doesn't make that true. Welcome to comprehension 101.
duckhunter-He said he "usually" ignores it, and in this
context, it means, "but not this time."Welcome to
@Who am I sir?:The only thing the Virginia game exposed was a first
time offense, and coaches. If played now, Virginia wouldn't win.As for the utes. They put all their eggs in two two baskets, and have run out
talkinsports Gilbert, AZWhittingham also LOST to:UNLV(2-10) Colorado(3-10)New Mexico(6-7)No
Carolina(5-6)Wyoming(6-6)SDSU(5-7)-----------Over the same period Bronco also lost to:Virginia (2-7) as of
todayUtah State (4-8)Utah (5-7)SDSU (5-7)UCLA (6-7)Arizona (6-6)Who did they beat?Bronco:#21 TCU#18 Utah#18 Utah StateKyle:#6 Bama#7 TCU#18 Oregon State#25 BYU#5 Stanford (as of today)
Chris B"Utah beat Stanford. This means Utah is capable of
beating extremely talented teams."No, it means that Utah, like
Appalachian St beating Michigan, is capable of pulling off a monumental
upset.If Utah and Stanford played another 9 times, Utah would be
lucky to win another game.It wouldn't be a bit surprising to
see the Utes lose to Washington St and/or Colorado to end the season.When was the last time Utah had THREE 11-win, Top 15 seasons, and 4 straight
AP Top 25 finishes in a four-year period?You needn't bother
looking it up. Yhe Utes have only had TWO 11-win seasons in their
entire history, and have never had more than TWO straight AP Top 25 finishes.It's laughable that a team that was "capable" of beating a
Top 10 team, is still struggling to become bowl eligible and that a team that
beat two Top 10 teams wasn't good enough to finish higher than 4th in the
Coaches poll - the official BCS poll. So much for all of those big
talkinsports Gilbert, AZWhittingham also LOST to:UNLV(2-10)Colorado(3-10)New Mexico(6-7)No
Carolina(5-6)Wyoming(6-6)SDSU(5-7)and barely beat
Colorado(1-11) 42-35-------------So what? Around 62% of
Bronco Mendenhall's wins come against losing teams.That 2012
Ute team was 5-7, a bad team.Your Quest (10-3) team, AP #25, team
barley beat Washington (0-12) 27-28 on a missed extra point.
@DuckhunterIf "Stanford loses tonight"..."If it
manages to play osu"..."If the voters keep them ranked
6th".... "if they just ran a couple of running plays [they would
have beat Utah]"..."If texas continues to win, and stanford loses
the gap will close."--------------If it didn't
rain in Virginia.If Wilson had only injured his hand before the BYU
game.Then BYU would be the better team?
@StGtoSLC:There are many teams not ranked in the top ten, who would
beat Stanford.Over rated!
Oregon will crush over rated Stanford.
@nosaerfoecioveht"I think most would say your lack of
intelligent response coupled with "lol" appears more frantic and
emotional."Were you still "ignoring"? Very
Utes won stanford and stanford will win oregon wich means the Utes are #2 team
in USA for sure.Go Utes!
@Sofa,Utah beat Stanford. This means Utah is capable of beating
extremely talented teams. Stanford likely ends the season in the top 10(our
best guess where they will end is where they are today) Next time
byu/usu beats an end of season top 10 team let me know. Kyle
Whittingham will have THREE(or just two is Stanford drops) end of season top 10
teams.Alabama 2008TCU 2008Stanford 2013When
was the last time your team did that?LOL!
sofa,Can the Utes have a little credit for beating USU and
Stanford?byu is not good because of Virginia, right?
Ifelyes it does because we all know that UNLV was on the same level as BYU
and Utah in the MWC.
Stanford and Oregon play tonight, the two best teams in the pac.That
means utah is good because of them, right?
Whittingham also LOST to:UNLV(2-10)Colorado(3-10)New
Mexico(6-7)No Carolina(5-6)Wyoming(6-6)SDSU(5-7)and barely beat Colorado(1-11) 42-35
@duckhunter"Pretty hard to claim you ignore anything while
making a "frantic and emotional" reply about it. lol"No,
my reply was pretty calm and sensible. I think most would say your lack of
intelligent response coupled with "lol" appears more frantic and
emotional.By the way, thanks for keeping up with Pac 12 football :)
Correction:Whittingham also beat and end of season top 10 TCU team
in 2008So Kyle has 3 wins against end of season top 10 teamsBronco?Still zero.LOL!
@nosaerfoeciovehtPretty hard to claim you ignore anything while
making a "frantic and emotional" reply about it. lol@ekuteOnce stanford loses tonight it will fall in the rankings. If
it manages to play osu it will probably lose again and drop further in the
rankings. If the voters keep them ranked 6th after the loss tonight and the
probable loss to osu then you may have a point but I doubt it. You see teams
rise and fall in the rankings based on winning and losing, that is how it works.
texas lost again the week after losing to BYU, not to mention texas got blown
out by BYU whereas stanford would have beaten utah if they just ran a couple of
running plays, so the situations are not exactly parallel. but texas has been
steadily rising in the rankings ever since thier second loss and are once again
borderline top 25. If texas continues to win, and stanford loses the gap will
close. Once again that is how it works. That is why I say so many of the utah
"fans" on here want to play a shell game on this. We'll
all know after the season ends.
I don't know duck, Texas has not returned to the top 25 since byu beat
them, while Stanford is currently 5th in in the BCS. Maybe we're not as
hypocritical as you think we are.
@Duckhunter"It's obvious at this point that they (Stanford)
were vastly overrated."Obvious to who? Not the voters. Currently
they are ranked 6th, even with the loss to Utah. If that's accurate, then
it would make sense that they lose to #2 Oregon and #4 Ohio State. It could
still easily be said they are legitimately one of the best teams in the country,
and Utah happened to out coach and out play them this year.I
understand you want to claim Stanford is "vastly overrated" because
you're negatively obsessed with Utah and it makes you feel better to think
they didn't beat a great team. Yet you also want to beat your chest about
beating teams who used to be ranked, so you don't ever say they are
currently overrated.We all understand the hypocrisy. And actually I
usually chose to ignore it.
@who are you?"I thought Virginia was underrated but the win over
byu exposed them as well."That didn't make a lick of sense.
Try again.As for my point, do you disagree? I thought stanford was a
legit top 5 team but top 5 teams dont lose to conference bottom dwellers. After
they lose to oregon they will be out of the top 10. If they play osu in the rose
bowl they'll lose that one and will be borderline top 20. It is obvious at
this point that they were vastly overated.It doesn't mean they
aren't a good team, they just aren't top 5, and probably aren't
top 10. utah exposed them, that should make you happy but I understand the shell
game utah "fans" are trying to play here. You guys want it both ways.
You want to claim stanford is a legit top 5 team because you think that gives
utah credibility for beating them and lets you proclaim utah to be better than
they are. Yet you want to also claim any ranked team BYU beats is obviously a
fraud because BYU beat them.I understand the hypocrisy, I just
don't ignore it.
@DuckhunterI thought Virginia was underrated but the win over byu
exposed them as well.Probably all PAC-12 teams are hoping for Oregon
to win - if it leads them to play in the national championship game. It would
mean a couple extra Million to each conference team. This plus 7 home games for
Utah (estimates are an additional Million) this year and the increase to 75%
revenue sharing (vs 50% last year) should only increase our ability to compete
in the PAC-12. (This does not include any revenue increase from the PAC-12
network.) So many advantages from our conference affiliation! Go Utes!
Chris, my friend, you're as obsessed w BYU as most of their fans are with
Utah. Most Ute fans I know are slowly but surely moving on. Come
with us.And here's hoping Oregon beats Stanford tonight on
their way to the BCS title game. The only thing better would be seeing a crimson
colored stake planted outside their stadium in a couple weeks, but that's
probably not happening.Go Ducks!
BYU would beat either one of these teams.Easily.
I thought stanford was better than it is, but the loss to utah definately
This game is an interesting barometer between stanford and Oregon. Should
be an exciting game.Where do the experts have the other Pac-12 experts
going?Where is Utah going for instance?
Stanford is either vastly over rated or Stanford's loss to Utah was a total
Stanford is currently picked by just about all experts to be in a prestigious
BCS bowl.That will mean Kyle Whittingham has TWO wins over BCS bowl
participants, and END of season(assuming Stanford's place stays similar, it
could increase or decrease) top 10 teams.Guess how many end of
season top 10 teams Bronco has beaten?ZERO!Guess how
many BCS Bowl participants Bronco has beaten?ZERO!
Stanford is definitely not overrated. They're a top 10 team, but this year
the top 3 teams are simply a cut above 4-10. Oregon should win this.
Oregon 48Stanford 17Stanford is overrated