Notre Dame experiences its own 'Spencer Hadley moment' with QB Everett Golson admitting to cheating on a test

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  • moderateinmagna MAGNA, UT
    Oct. 31, 2013 10:04 p.m.

    Well if the liberal press could find out what time a person passes gas,they would print it too the press thinks that they have the right to tell everyone every bodies business except their own,evert one in ameria has a right to privacy EVERYBODY!

  • DSB Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 31, 2013 11:32 a.m.

    This is not about the legal technicalities of whether these player's indiscretions can be disclosed. I seriously doubt any regulations or laws were broken. The question is whether it is proper for these institutions to disclose the nature of the violations. Clearly we can't expect the press to suppress any information they receive that is interesting to their readership. They'd give away the most sensitive national security secrets if they learned about them.

    Institutions like BYU and Notre Dame cannot win in these situations. If the violations are disclosed as they were, people whine about right to privacy and disparage the institutions for giving more information than was required. If they keep the details private, others whine about them sweeping it under the rug to falsely advance the notion that the institution has no problems.

    The details usually come out sooner or later. Personally, I prefer the minimalist approach. Just say they've violated team or school rules, and make it clear that if the student wants to divulge more, they respect him enough to leave the disclosure of details in his hands.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Oct. 31, 2013 11:06 a.m.


    Not gonna argue with you. Just let's say the sources you provided do not say people have a right to privacy. You quoted a biased website, and left out the parts that don't support your arguement...


    Schools can release any information they choose to about student athletes not playing. It's the schools choice.

    Americans do not have an absolute right to privacy. Same with speech, religion, and press.

  • Winglish Lehi, UT
    Oct. 31, 2013 5:34 a.m.


    You asked where the right to privacy is found. I provided two sources: The Constitution of the United States and quotes with quotation marks and a named source, Justice Goldberg of the Supreme Court, whose job it is to interpret and apply the laws that govern our country. Again, you are the one who asked for a source. The source and direct quotes were given. Call it a copy and paste job if you want, but the source was cited. Do you want it in APA format also? That you did not like the answer is irrelevant to the fact that the American people have a right to privacy.

    Next, I don't care whether the school is public or private. Whatever happened to minding one's own beeswax? We simply do not need to know about every person's indiscretions. I think the argument that we should know every player's business is ridiculous.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Oct. 30, 2013 8:00 p.m.


    To put it succinctly--BALONEY!

    But here is the difference between you and me:
    You are taking the point of view of a journalist who believes the public has a right to all the information that can possibly be squeezed out of a story and I take the point of view as a human being who values privacy.

    I still contend that all the public needs to know is that the student's action or behavior was serious enough to warrant a suspension from the team. That meets the school and coach's obligation to the public. It is really none of our business to know any further details.

    But I am happy to agree to disagree.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 3:18 p.m.

    Lehi, UT
    Nice copy, paste, and delete on the "concurring" decision from the Griswold case.

    Fact is, it only comes sparingly from SCOTUS. I do not believe Goldberg mentioned any of the criteria that you mentioned. Had a private University "chosen" to release that information, I sure they legally could without infringing on anyone's rights.

    That being said, I am not an attorney, but I slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

  • casual observer Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 2:39 p.m.

    Only universities with high standards have problems. With the bar set so low, most schools can overlook things.

  • Winglish Lehi, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 1:45 p.m.

    Veritas Aequitas,

    The 5th Ammendment in the Constitution protects privilege against self-incrimination, which provides protection for the privacy of personal information.
    In addition, the Ninth Amendment states that the "enumeration of certain rights" in the Bill of Rights "shall not be construed to deny or disparage other rights retained by the people." Justice Goldberg interpreted the Ninth Amendment as justification for broadly reading the Bill of Rights to protect privacy in ways not specifically provided in the first eight amendments.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 1:37 p.m.


    The Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) is a federal freedom of information law that allows for the full or partial disclosure of previously unreleased information and documents controlled by the United States government.

    The Federal FOIA should not be confused with the different and varying individual state FOIA's. Many of those state acts may be similar, but not identical to the federal act.

    FOIA's define very specifically what information must be divulged and even public institutions are not required to divulge private information about individual students without a court order.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 12:04 p.m.


    Lehi, UT

    I disagree. Notre Dame and BYU are private institutions. Their students thus have a right to privacy (i.e. not a public institution paid for with tax dollars).

    Just curious. Where is the right to privacy found?

  • Eliot Genola, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 11:44 a.m.

    Your argument that a student attending a public university has less of a right to privacy then one attending a private university doesn't wash. Do you also believe that students attending public K-12 schools have no privacy whereas those who attend private schools do?

  • Winglish Lehi, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 10:52 a.m.

    I disagree. Notre Dame and BYU are private institutions. Their students thus have a right to privacy (i.e. not a public institution paid for with tax dollars). It's not our business to know the dirty details of students who chose to attend a private university.