Romney: Plan for one state not meant for entire country
patriot said:Maybe by Barack just "saying" Obamacare is good it
will actually magically make it good? I don't think it works
that way, the republicans have been calling it a failure before it even began,
they say it won't work without even trying and they have no replacement
even though they ran on repeal and replace, I guess the replace was just another
lie, just like the wishful thinking that they are right. They aren'tIron&clay: 1911 women couldn't even vote then, so lets go back
to the good ol' days again, right.
The Supreme Court, speaking on the subject of the 10th amendment to the
constitution, said in 1911 that "Among the powers of the state not
surrendered-- which powers therefore remain with the state-- is the power to so
regulate the relative rights and duties of all within its jurisdiction as to
guard the public morals, the public safety, and the public HEALTH, as well as
the common good"If Obama is saying that health care insurance
works at the state level and not on the Federal level... well then he is
If its so good why isn't he signing his family up for it? And the idea of
having Romney run the program is good, maybe Romney could run his foreign policy
program as well, he seems to be bungling that. Oh and maybe Romney could be an
intermediary between the executive and the legislative branches, do a little
leadership rather than the constant campaigning....If the presidency is just too
big for one person (especially and affirmative action nominee) then lets expand
it, let Romney do the leading while Obama does the golfing.
Let's all remember 2009 a little better, folks.President Obama
lost a lot of fans on his own side by continually asking republicans to come up
with a health care law, in co-operation with democrats, until he was finally
forced to make the proposal himself. He wanted both sides to contribute, so
everyone would be behind it.At NO point did republicans come on
board and add any expertise or help. They knew that they were being lobbied too
hard, not only to avoid reforming healthcare, but to do anything and everything
that would make Mr Obama and the bill fail.NOW, the comments above
me are pretty darn critical, some horrible, some fair. However, no one can cite
"the republicans had a better version but Obama would not take it"Does it not defeat the interests of the USA for one party to stay out of
an important reform, then later complain it has flaws? Is it not more American
and more Christian to recognize it needed to pass, and help to make it
better?Isn't it more American and more Christian to offer help
in fixing any problems?
Maybe by Barack just "saying" Obamacare is good it will actually
magically make it good? Maybe when he returns from his little road trip this
thing will all work perfectly and everyone will love it? Maybe by
"saying" everyone loves Obamacare everyone will actually just start
loving Obamacare? I honestly think this is how this guy thinks....just say it
and people will believe it. Hey it worked for 4 years why stop now?
here we go again - Barack is back out on the campaign trail trying to gin up his
base for Obamacare. I really wish the man would at least pretend to govern and
meet with members of congress to FIX this thing instead of just running around
on AirforceOne wasting tax payer money on a propaganda tour. I'm certain he
has screened his audience to be ONLY those who are getting the free stuff and
certainly not those poor souls who have seen their insurance get cancelled and
then get to see the sticker shock of Barack's new exchange plans....2-3
times what they were paying before they got kicked off. Alot of angry people out
there and I doubt few are listening to any more promises from Mr "if you
have insurance you can keep it" Obama.
AZReader,"....Ah, but see Mr. President, the Massachusetts law
was a bipartisan effort from the get-go. The Obamacare jam-down came at the
expense of bipartisanship because not a single Republican voted for
it...."_____________________________Ah, but see Azreader,
that was the doing of Republicans whose idea of compromise is demanding that the
other side make all the concessions. To them, give and take means they do all
the taking and the other side does all the giving. Bipartisanship is a two way
street. For too many of this new generation of young Republicans, that's a
concept that seems to be beneath their dignity.
"Government take over of healthcare is opening the door to
communism"--Ronald Reagan 1961. That is True. He was talking about Medicare.
Government take over of healthcare is opening the door to communism--Ronald
Reagan 1961True or false?
@ The RockYou say RomneyCare is different than Obamacare, but you are
wrong:1. It was not designed to destroy private insurance markets.
-- Uh no. This is the govt working with private insurance companies, just like
RomneyCare. If you want to destroy private markets look at single-payer and
Medicare.2. It did not grant government the unbridled power to all your
financial and medical records. -- This is not true. You only have to show your
records if you are going to be subsidized by the govt. And it is the IRS who is
doing it. You know, the agency who already knows your financial records. 3. Romney's health care law was not over 2000 pages long and did not
create 1968 new government agencies. --It is not creating 1968 new govt
agencies, and it is a law for a national healthcare not just one state, which
may be why it is 2000 pages long, as though that matters.Does
everyone understand that unless we pull something together then people will die
without insurance? Is this not a Christian undertaking? Or maybe you have a
better idea. I would like to hear from all those who are now on Medicare.
The DeuceYou know, that idea is just outrageous enough to have
merit. However, two problems. One, the Romney health plan in Mass. is not really
working as well as was hoped for. And Two, if Obamacare did begin to work as was
promised by Obama himself, namely lower cost, keeping your health plan and
doctor if you want, ect. then it could undermine what I think may be Obama and
the Democrats end game. Namely such a mess that the government takes over
health care completely (New Health Care Deal Two) and makes everything a
government single payer program.
I have a novel idea, why doesn't Pres. Obama have Romney run this program?
This would please everyone and have someone as the director who actually knows
how to make something happen. Seems logical and bipartisan at the same time.
@azreader1 So you are saying that Republicans tried to stop the ACA and now have
every right to undermine it and cheer for its failure? I didn't want to go
to war with Iraq but didn't try to undermine it. There are many laws that I
don't like but don't think I should hope for their failure.You
say the president didn't have bipartisan support and that is true, but it
is still the law of the land. And btw, when are you going to start calling for
the repeal of Medicare?
Fred 44And, on top of azreader1s point, the public opinion polls
showed that the majority of people did not want the ACA. Plus, all the lies
that are now documented to have been said by Obama himself in order to
"sell" this to the people. Of course Pelosis "We have to pass it to
know what is in it," will go down as one of American histories most famous
dumb statements. And to further the whole story, if the Democrats and Obama had
not rammed this bill through, there never would have been a T-Party that took
over control of the House. The T-Party is largely a response to Democrat Party
Fred44,So the President is justified in jamming down a bill over
uniform Republican opposition (for entirely valid policy reasons, in my opinion)
and then whining that Republicans are hoping for its failure? He can't
have it both ways -- either he insists on the partisan approach he has taken
with all that entails or he reaches across the aisle as he claimed he would when
campaigning. To suggest as you have that the President's failure to engage
in bipartisan dialogue is entirely the Republicans' fault is a canard.
Good luck with that one as the President is being clearly seen for the petulant,
"my way or the highway" partisan hack he has been since taking office.
There he goes again.Pointing his finger at someone else.
azreader1,If something has to be bi-partisan in Washington to be any
good, this President has no chance. Republicans made the commitment from day
one that anything he proposed they would oppose. If it wasn't so important
to the country I would kinda hope a republican would win the White House so I
could sit back and watch the democrats repay the republicans for their
obstructionism for the last six years. Oh and by the way the ACA
was drafted from what were largely republican ideas that they had previously
favored until President Obamas name was attached.Headline this
winter. Republican members of the House led by Jason Chaffetz hold hearing to
look into whether President Obama really caused the snow storm that blanketed
east coast. Chaffetz wants to who knew what, when and why the President did
nothing to stop this snowstorm. Senator Mike Lee threatens a non filibuster
till the facts are known in this matter.
Always blaming someone else.Never "in the loop" knowing about
anything that turns out badly.Never does what he says. (Well, except
"fundamentally changing our country" which has been for the worse.)Our President cannot be believed on anything. Our friends know this,
and our enemies as well.
Amazing isn't it? He never fail, He will always find something to blame -
what a remarkable talent this dude has
"And he's pointing to the bipartisan effort to get the program launched
in Massachusetts to encourage his opponents to stop rooting for his law's
failure."Ah, but see Mr. President, the Massachusetts law was a
bipartisan effort from the get-go. The Obamacare jam-down came at the expense
of bipartisanship because not a single Republican voted for it. So,
unfortunately, the time for you to have engaged in sincere bipartisanship has
long since passed.I, personally, feel absolutely no need to now
support a law I never supported in the first place, and which you jammed down
over my strenuous objections. You made your partisan bed, Mr. President, and
now you can sleep in it -- barbs and all.And, for the record, I am
very much rooting for this law's utter and complete failure.
Romney's health care law was different:1. It was not designed to
destroy private insurance markets.2. It did not grant government the
unbridled power to all your financial and medical records.3. Romney's
health care law was not over 2000 pages long and did not create 1968 new
government agencies.Romney Care was ill advised, just no where near
as bad of Obama Care.
no longer bush's fault now it is romney's. rich! it doesn't get
any better than this.