Federal judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional

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  • RedShirtUofU Andoria, UT
    Nov. 4, 2013 1:25 p.m.

    To "Bebyebe" when the men start having abortions, then I will start to complain about them too when it comes to abortion.

    The men are irresponsible if they are having sex with women prior to marriage. The difference is the consequence. When a women is irresponsible, she can kill a child. When a man is irresponsible he will end up paying some sort of child support.

    The consequences are different, therefore the way that they are treated is different.

  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    Nov. 2, 2013 12:38 p.m.

    I see a lot of "women are irresponsible" or 'women should keep their pants on'. What about the men? You keep your pants on. You take responsibility. Or is it that the poor dears just can't help themselves. I'm sick of this culture blaming women for everything. Redshirt, do you hate women? You judge them every chance you get!

  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    Nov. 2, 2013 12:35 p.m.

    If you can get pregnant you are entitled to an opinion. Otherwise mind your own business.

  • RedShirtMIT Cambridge, MA
    Oct. 31, 2013 10:29 a.m.

    To "Ranch" I hate to tell you this, but a woman chooses to risk pregnancy anytime that she engages in sex. All abortion does is remove the consequences of her choices.

    Lets look at it this way. A child under the age of 1 could be considered a parasite too since they depend on a parent for food. Should we allow mothers to kill their child up to 1 year old too since it is just a parasite?

    If a woman chooses to never get pregnant or get a VD, there is only one thing that she can do to avoid it. Keep her pants on.

    Also, do you hate women? I ask this because new research indicates that women who get abortions are more likely to develop mental health problems. See "Do Abortions Increase The Risk Of Mental Illness?

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Oct. 31, 2013 7:16 a.m.

    county mom says:

    "Second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence....guarantees unalienable rights, these rights are....the right to LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

    You would take away a WOMAN's right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness just for a conglomeration of cells that aren't even a person yet? What hypocrisy.

    A fetus isn't a person until it's birth. A woman's right to choose whether or not to carry a parasite (yes, that is what a fetus is) is more important than the "rights" of a parasite that can't survive on it's own without it's host.

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 4:57 p.m.

    "How can a reasonable person not oppose that freedom?"
    Simple we do not blindly accept your equating abortion with "Murder." You can call it murder all you want it does not make it a fact for the rest of us.

  • county mom Monroe, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 4:53 p.m.

    Second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence....guarantees unalienable rights, these rights are....the right to LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

    I believe our fore fathers were very clear on this subject.

    The most innocent among us can be killed at will.

    As a people we need to look at what we are doing to the next generations.
    As a nation, we are killing many of our children, others leaving to suffer born addicted, molesting them, abusing them, neglecting them and leaving the survivors with mountains of national debt.

    WE are the most selfish ridiculous "adults" ever to live on this planet.
    I am really wondering if we deserve to live?

  • RedShirtCalTech Pasedena, CA
    Oct. 29, 2013 1:13 p.m.

    To "Stalwart Sentinel" so what you are saying is that you would rather put a woman's life at risk rather than adding another layer of safety into the abortion process? Read about Kermit Gosnell. He had several women die in his abortion clinic. Not to mention the babies that he killed after the abortion process failed. That is the face of "leagal and safe" abortions.

    To "Happy Valley Heretic" I don't think that the women who are seeking abortions are irresponsible. They are seeking absolution to the consequences of their choices. If they carry the child to term, they are not forced to become parents. Right now there is a 2 year average wait for parents looking to adopt babies. If those babies were adopted rather than aborted, that wait could be eliminated or at least greatly reduced.

  • lket Bluffdale, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 12:27 p.m.

    so few of you even know anyone that has had an abortion. one of my wifes older friend who was a catholic got pregnant and it was such a big deal in the 60s she went to mexico and had an abortion. then messed it up. she was never able to have children again. right of wrong im not saying but should it not at least be safe.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 12:22 p.m.

    I am not a woman, I will never have to go through these decisions personally.
    I will not decide for a woman what she should do with her body or anything in it.
    The first breath of life is when the soul enters the body, this is substantiated by

    Gen 2:7
    "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

    Numbers 3:15-16
    Leviticus 27:6

    The Jewish view of when a fetus becomes a person - when it takes its first breath (or for breech births, when the majority of its body is delivered). Up till then it is seen as having the potential for life, but is treated like any other of the mother's internal organs.

  • 4word thinker Murray, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 12:09 p.m.

    President Clinton said his 'pro-choice' party's stance on abortion was that they should be safe, legal, and rare.

    Then the pro-abortion groups do all they can to make sure abortions are rampant, and sacrifice safety in the process.

    1 out of 3 is good enough for them.

    When will women realize that they are being thrown under the bus in the name of women's rights?

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 11:45 a.m.

    HVH: Only the willfully blind or woefully ignorant believe human life begins at birth.

    - Have you not seen the overwhelming scientific evidence (you do like science, don't you?) showing that the unborn have all the same human traits and sensations that any of us have including pain?

    - Have you never seen or heard of a human baby born at 24 weeks or even sooner that not only survive but grow to full maturity as adults?

    - Have you never seen a video of an aborted fetus that made you cringe that a human being had been killed?

    If not, you do not have enough information (by your own choice to ignore data that does not suit your paradigm) to hold an informed opinion.

    Is self-sustainment your concern? If so, then what changes at birth. A baby cannot sustain himself. At 93, my dad cannot sustain himself.

    Is it viability? An unborn child, left interrupted, will grow to full maturity just as a two year old child will.

    Seriously, what criteria do you use to identify human life? Other than geography, what substantive difference is there moments before a baby is born and moments after his birth?

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 10:37 a.m.

    Ranting? or calling you out on your religious rant?
    They are not children until they are born.
    This is my belief system, it is based on what I believe not what your church told you.

    So do you shop where they sell goods from China?

  • Machado South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 9:42 a.m.

    Happy Valley: You do know you are ranting, right?

    So, in your mind, the heartless Republican plan is to abandon these children.
    But I think the "compassionate" Democrat plan is to murder them.

    Please don't show me any of your version of compassion. I'd rather have to go alone that receive what your ilk is dishing out as care.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 8:20 a.m.

    Those who become pregnant are irresponsible, and or sinners therefore should suffer for their iniquity.
    If they are young and irresponsible we should force them to become parents whether or not the product of
    their sin suffers, oh yeah republicans also hate welfare the only safety net for those who can't afford children.

    If your going to try and force folks to have children, you can't abandon them at birth.

    If folks Really hated abortion at wanted to take a moral stand, businesses like Hobby Lobby and Walmart would buy most of their inventory from China would they? I know those are little girl babies of foreigners so it doesn't matter right?

  • Machado South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 6:44 a.m.

    Mark B: Does that include the freedom to murder? How can a reasonable person not oppose that freedom? Does that mean all it takes to salve our consciences is a federal law? Please take a minute and just consider the implications of that justification. Think of the atrocities committed with full governmental support. You don't have to go back to WWII. Think of what is happening around the world today in African nations, Middle Eastern nations, and Asian nations. Do you seriously believe American hands are any less bloody than those? The fact that it is government sanctioned makes it even more egregious in my mind.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Oct. 28, 2013 10:38 p.m.

    Does everyone realize that this was not a ruling on abortion itself? The Supreme Court did that 40 years ago. This had to do with dismantling the wall built to KEEP women from exercising a legal right because Texas GOP legislators know better than Texas women. You know those legislators - the ones for small government, leaving people with maximum "freedom".

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 10:37 p.m.

    So society, through this judge, has decided the health and safety of the woman is secondary. What really matters is that doctors can be hired to come and kill the unborn, but does not hold them responsible for the care of the former mother's complications that may result.

    It sounds like abortion doctors shouldn't be doctors at all. They are just hired hit men/women. If a second person, the woman, is harmed, oh well, as long as the baby dies.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Oct. 28, 2013 7:19 p.m.

    The only people who support killing unborn humans have already been born! Sadly ironic.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 5:45 p.m.

    This is another area I stand with Mormon prophets.

    They and I agree that abortion is ONLY acceptable under circumstances of mothers danger, incest, or rape.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Oct. 28, 2013 4:59 p.m.

    I'm glad the Federal Courts are not buying into the legal arguments the state of Texas is articulating to justify the law. Any reasonably intelligent person can see that the admitting requirement for physicians is an irrelevant provision whose true purpose is to make it difficult for abortion clinics and it's physicians to do their jobs.

  • Machado South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 4:35 p.m.

    How can we have so many judges who keep supporting legalized murder? Do they not understand that a person is killed when an abortion is performed?

    Forget about showing abortion videos to women considering abortions. They are selfishly thinking about their own convenience and don't seem to have the ability to care about killing someone else. But someone should make these judges sit through those videos until they see and understand what is really happening.

  • Stalwart Sentinel San Jose, CA
    Oct. 28, 2013 4:18 p.m.

    "[A] decision released Monday that the state is certain to appeal..." and lose.

    This is the epitome of conservative hypocrisy: wasting taxpayer dollars to defend a clearly unconstitutional regulation they intentionally put in place to harm businesses/non-profits so they can usurp a woman's constitutionally-guaranteed right to choose. It's a perfect storm of irony; too bad it is lost on the perpetrators.