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  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Oct. 30, 2013 7:36 p.m.

    re: Mike Richards 10/28

    "Mocking patriots is a passtime for those who mock the Constitution."

    When did demagoguery get confused with patriotism? In retrospect, its probably always been that way w/ the irrational right & I'm just now clueing in.

    "There will be many posts today supporting Senator Hatch and there will be many posts that mock Senator Lee."

    What about one calling out the status quo? I've heard thats Latin for the mess we're in.

    "A prophet once saw a large building where people pointed their fingers and mocked those who kept the law."

    There is a different perspective on that fairy tale but now is not the time or place to deconstruct it.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 10:13 p.m.

    Ironically the House Republicans in an attempt to make the President look bad, have a permanent place in history as the worst ever elected officials in modern history.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 11:11 a.m.

    re:Mike in Sandy

    If your 'Fantasyland' is a place where the constitution is honored and upheld, where our bill of rights has priority and where socialism is locked away in some dark place never to see the light of day then YES I am ready to go!!! Hatch a realist? Is a realist someone that caves in to the radical left and their Marxist agenda over and over and over? Is a realist someone who is afraid to rock the boat for fear of offending his buddies in the senate and the national media? I didn't vote for Mike Lee to go to the senate to be a 'realist'. I voted for Mike Lee to stand for conservative values against the tidal wave of big government progressives who have rung up a 17 trillion dollar debt (last count) and are destroying what is left of the American Dream. Mike is doing GREAT!!!

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 9:08 a.m.

    If you recall the classic movie with James Stewart "Mr Smith Goes To Washington" where a freshman senator rocks the boat and is attacked by members of his own party for standing up for principle instead of caving in to the status-quo. Sound familiar? The old GOP guard in the senate feel threatened by the new fresh faces that were born in 2010 including Mike Lee, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Rand Paul and other conservatives. These new senators are true conservatives not old guard progressives and the attacks against them are predictable.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Oct. 29, 2013 8:18 a.m.

    Smart! He is a realist, where Lee, Cruz and their ilk are living in some sort of fantasyland.

  • RedShirtCalTech Pasedena, CA
    Oct. 29, 2013 7:55 a.m.

    To "The Real Maverick" you are wrong. What the democrats are doing is very relevant. We have seen what Progressive Republicans can do with their slow march to Socialism, and that was a failure. What makes you think that the Progressive Democrat sprint towards socialism will turn out any better?

  • Unreconstructed Reb Chantilly, VA
    Oct. 28, 2013 5:24 p.m.

    "You Pro-Hatch liberal authoritarians love war, torture, and tyranny."

    Hey, I survived the 8-year Bush Junta too.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 4:51 p.m.

    @ Redshirt

    Seriously, how many profiles do you have on this site? 5? 10?

    Secondly, whatever the Democrats are doing to help/hurt the economy is irrelevant. We've already seen the results of repub leadership. It wasn't pretty. Or have we already forgotten 2008?

  • RedShirtCalTech Pasedena, CA
    Oct. 28, 2013 4:03 p.m.

    To "Ranch" if you think I am so out of touch, then tell us, what have the Democrats proposed that could work? So far everything that they have tried and passed as failed miserably.

    What have they done that has actually helped the economy?

    If you ask the CEOs of many of the large US businesses, they will tell you that the Democrats are causing more problems and solving nothing.

  • nonceleb Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 3:08 p.m.

    2 Bits

    Isn't "hate" a little extreme? It seems that is the tone I get from Tea Party conservatives towards Obama. I do not "hate" politicians, but do dislike some of their positions. And it DOES matter what type of conservative one is. I liked Senator Bennett, who was a conservative in the fashion of Goldwater, who founded the modern-day conservative movement and Reagan, who cemented it in the Republican Party. These new rightwing conservatives are uncompromising, obstructionist ideologues who are undermining traditional conservatism.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 2:13 p.m.


    You haven't lived in the real world for a while, have you?


    The impediments to our economy are the Mike Lee's and his ilk.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 1:49 p.m.

    Will of the people, huh? Care to explain then, what has happened to prop 8, which WAS the will of the people?

    Obamacare and the EPA are the greatest impediments to the economy right now.

    I disagree with you, and the voters disagree with you, and you take us to court. See?

    Remember, hatch said in 1976 that 3 terms was enough for a senator – that was, what 4 terms ago? Hatch doesn’t care about the truth.

    One vote,
    You mention no compromise – talking about harry and BO, right?

  • RedShirtCalTech Pasedena, CA
    Oct. 28, 2013 1:46 p.m.

    Say what you want about Mike Lee and Ted Cruz, but how many Liberal/Progressives are there in office right now that are willing to risk their re-election based on their convictions?

    Don't we need more people like Lee and Cruz that are willing to stand up for their beliefs? Is it a bad thing to stand up for your beliefs?

  • RedShirtCalTech Pasedena, CA
    Oct. 28, 2013 1:20 p.m.

    To "Ranch" that is a lie. The Recession was over in July 2009, that was an entire year before Lee was put into office. The Democrats were still in charge of the Federal Government and had enough of a majority they could do most anything they wanted. Yet it wasn't until the Democrats lost control of Congress that the nation stopped shedding jobs and began to get more jobs.

    What proposals have the Democrats had that would have helped the economy? The stimulus programs have proven to be wasted money, along with all of the bills to just give out money and benefits. Tell us, do the Democrats have any plans that could acutally work? Right now they want to try Socialism. How well is that working in Greece, Spain, Portugal, or Italy?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 12:59 p.m.

    Does it really matter what brand of conservative they are (or are not)? Would you not hate them anyway?

  • nonceleb Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 11:31 a.m.

    Is it any surprise that all three letters to the editor in the Deseret News defend Mike Lee and Tea Party conservatives? I hope they continue their suicide mission. Their approach, which is outside the normal constitutional legislative process (while claiming to be defenders of the Constitution) will alienate most Americans and maybe even a substantial number of Utahns. As for being defenders of the true conservative movement, they resemble more the McCarthy Republicans of the 50s. They most certainly are not Goldwater or Reagan conservatives.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 11:16 a.m.

    The extreme radical anti-government, anti economy tea party after defeat is still not compromising and more dogmatic than any other "party" since the civil war. At least they are consistent.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 11:04 a.m.

    I just don't like to be lied to.

    Hatch said he would "do everything he could" to eliminate Obamacare.

    He "says" he wants to bring down government spending. So much for campaign statements.

    He should have qualified his statements to state that he would ONLY do those things if it was o.k. with Barack!

    That, apparentally is what he meant.

    Why be afraid to tell the truth?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 10:59 a.m.

    Re-education for people who get out of step with the Government sounds like something the SS would propose...

    It's not the American way to handle people who disagree with the President (no matter how popular he is with his ever-faithful minions).

    We need MORE diversity of thought... not more people marching lock-step with the President or their party leaders. That's just my opinion.

    If he's standing up for what he believes (and possibly what many Utahns believe)... Lee should be applauded for sticking his neck out, not have it cut off.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    Oct. 28, 2013 10:53 a.m.

    You people who want a dictator, are going to get one. You Pro-Hatch liberal authoritarians love war, torture, and tyranny. Well, you guys are about to get it. Do you really think NSA spying is freedom? Do you really think stealing oil in the middle east and a million dead Iraqi civilians is done by a military "fighting for our freedoms" ? They are definatley not fighting for my freedoms.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 10:30 a.m.

    Hatch hasn't gone anywhere, it's the conservative movement that has become far right radicals.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 10:09 a.m.

    Wow, this is really funny. If it's on Faux News or in the Washington Times or right-wing talk radio, it must be true.

    To attack Orrin Hatch for not agreeing with Mike Lee is just precious. We really do need to split the tea party off from the GOP. They are highly incompatible and are like spouses in a very bad marriage. The sooner they divorce, the better.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 9:27 a.m.

    Come out of the GOP darkness and into the light.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    Oct. 28, 2013 8:05 a.m.

    Senator "Hatch continues to walk hand in hand with liberalism"?

    My liberal friends will be stunned to learn this.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 7:22 a.m.

    embarrassed Utahn: "It's called Democracy...ya know, The Will of the American People!"

    That's not how the conservative purity test works.

    Here's how it works:

    "You disagree with me? Well then, you're not a true American!"


  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 28, 2013 7:22 a.m.

    Mocking patriots is a passtime for those who mock the Constitution. There will be many posts today supporting Senator Hatch and there will be many posts that mock Senator Lee.

    A prophet once saw a large building where people pointed their fingers and mocked those who kept the law. Perhaps that vision included those who mock elected officials who do their duty. Senator Hatch is mocking Senator Lee. He's mocking Mike Lee because Mike Lee kept his oath of office. He's mocking Mike Lee because Mike Lee had the courage to stand of the Constitution and Hatch did not.

    Mocking is showing derision for principles and law. Those who will not keep the law use mockery to divert attention from their unwillingness to stand for good and true principles.

    Mike Lee needs no rehabilitation, but Orrin Hatch could use a few sessions.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 6:21 a.m.

    My nightmare consists of several more years of Mike Lee and his ilk obstructing our nation's efforts at economic recovery.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Oct. 28, 2013 5:53 a.m.

    Mr Larsen,

    Could you (or anyone else) give me a list of names of those in congress who have not "abandoned the conservative movement"?

    People call Hatch a RINO. Who in congress is NOT a RINO?

    List please

  • embarrassed Utahn! Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 28, 2013 5:13 a.m.

    Get used to it!

    Hillary (or any other Democrat) in 2016!!

    It's called Democracy...ya know, The Will of the American People!