2 dead, 2 boys hurt in Nevada school shooting

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  • Lasvegaspam Henderson, NV
    Oct. 22, 2013 2:41 p.m.

    Toosmartforyou: Seems to me that if the teacher who tried to intervene (a former military man) WAS armed, we would not be reading about these deaths. Instead, all he could do was run over to the shooter and try to disarm him using words. Words did not work. How about if the teacher were armed with a stun gun, which doesn't kill but disables. Now there's a real solution for you.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 10:47 p.m.

    Responsible gun ownership means keeping your weapons so a 7th grader can't get the weapon. Those who advocate gun ownership rights but come to realize that with freedom and rights come responsibility. I want to know how and where a 13 year-old gets a gun.

  • Weber State Graduate Clearfield, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 8:09 p.m.


    A fair question, but one that is incredibly difficult to answer given the complexities surrounding the many issues that contribute to social problems.

    When looking for solutions to complex social issues, it's difficult to cogently address in a word restricted post. It's worth mentioning, however, that some social scientists argue there is a correlation between increased social problems and the reduction in cultural values. They believe that a sustainable societal value system assists in maintaining social order.

    I personally believe that economic prosperity contributes to the reduction in social problems. Perhaps a collaborative effort where players from across the spectrum of business, government, philanthropy, and community based organizations converge to come up with responsible solutions to social issues is a better alternative for solving societal problems over an exclusive government option.

    One thing is for certain...more gun laws advocated by thoughtless activists willing to exploit a crisis probably won't solve the problem...it fails to address the issue of why people commit crimes in the first place. In this respect, gun rights supporters are correct in their assumption that more gun laws usually only affect those who already obey the law.

  • Matt9898 Salt lake, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 7:51 p.m.

    how does a middle school child get ahold of a gun? I sincerely hope his parents are detained and questioned. And if it was their gun, jailed.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 6:16 p.m.

    @Weber State Graduate
    "Reasonable gun rights advocates don't necessarily want a gun for "everyone and anyone." "

    Reasonable people don't advocate for people on the terrorist watch list being allowed to have guns, but here we are with that very policy being chosen by Jersey.

    Statistically, people are more likely to be shot by a gun if they live in a home with a gun. Why would we want to export that to schools?

    The US would not have one of the highest homicide rates in the industrialized world if your claims were accurate.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 4:59 p.m.

    WSU Graduate

    Thanks for your thoughts.

    I am still left to wonder how we successfully address the issue. I agree that there are not sufficient methods to detect and treat the mentally ill, and our obsession with everything "newsworthy" being given exorbitant press coverage, it likely promotes these horrific events and glamorizes them such that they seem to attract the unstable to copy-cat them.

    Thinking that Washington will produce a solution is laughable, too, since they can't handle the most basic of problems and this one is far from basic. It simply isn't "all guns" or "no guns." However that is all we hear when the subject is broached, unfortunately.

    Do you have specific suggestions? I'd like to consider them if you happen to be willing to share.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 4:14 p.m.

    Re: "2 dead, 2 boys hurt in Nevada school shooting"

    Just another in a long, long list of examples of politically-correct gun controls disarming the good guys, making schools a more murder-friendly free-fire zone for the bad guys.

    A teacher here, just as in Sandy Hook, had the will and courage to protect the students who were killed, but was denied, by deranged federal gun-free school zones law, the tools necessary to do so.

    Why do liberals hate kids?

  • Weber State Graduate Clearfield, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 3:33 p.m.

    "...what has happened in the last decade or so since Columbine to our schools, theaters and shopping malls?"

    The answer may well involve social problems that gun control advocates fail to address. It's much easier to take the human dynamic out of the gun control debate and simply focus exclusively on the unassuming restriction of an inanimate object. Reasonable gun rights advocates don't necessarily want a gun for "everyone and anyone." Rather, many seek to remove the histrionics, emotion, and hyperboles promoted by the gun control crowd and promote a thoughtful conversation on the social ills that might encourage a person to even think of committing these horrific crimes in the first place.

    The answer will not come from political hacks in Washington willing to capitalize and exploit a tragedy...that certainly "isn't the answer" either.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 3:00 p.m.

    Gun control has never been about keeping guns from the hands of legal citizens who are responsible. Never. They have always been about keeping guns out of the hands of criminals, those mentally ill, and those who will not keep them secure from children, adolescents or unstable members of their own family.

    I am all for guns being owned by responsible persons.....because they ARE responsible.

    But the rub is, what has happened in the last decade or so since Columbine to our schools, theaters and shopping malls? Why isn't our system, currently in place, working to curb such violence? What would be the best solution? (Giving a gun to everyone and anyone isn't the answer.)

    Oct. 21, 2013 2:30 p.m.

    @Chris b

    I am with alt to a point. If you are going to talk about things like cars then lets talk about how strictly we regulate cars. Cars unlike guns have a purpose beyond killing. Even though it may not sound like it I support gun rights but your logic undermines the fight not support it

  • Weber State Graduate Clearfield, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 2:21 p.m.

    Of course logic and clear thinking suggests the inanimate object is always the culprit...just like pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk, stoves burn people, hammers smash thumbs, and spoons make people fat.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 1:37 p.m.

    @ alt34:

    Why is it so hard to understand that people who commit such crimes are criminals... criminals who pay absolutely no attention to such things as more gun laws. More such laws absolutely would NOT have prevented this or any similar atrocities involving guns. There has never been any substantiated evidence to the contrary.
    Piling on additional gun legislation would do nothing more than serve as some sort of feel good reaction by liberals who don't know what else to do. Instead, they would only burden law abiding gun owners rather than stop would-be perpetrators.

    Even in countries where gun ownership is very strictly controlled and often forbidden, most liberal politicians still don't understand why crime goes up afterward. Nevertheless, that's what usually happens. Fewer guns in the hands of law abiding citizens equals easier victims who have less means of fighting back against criminals who know they benefit from such laws.

    Add to that the fact that there are already over 100,000,000 privately owned guns in the U.S., means there would be a never-ending black market... even if guns were outright outlawed.

    Let common sense prevail.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 12:52 p.m.

    @Chris B
    At least with cars we require registration and training.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 12:48 p.m.


    Cars going over 10 miles per hours kill significantly more people than guns.

    We should get together and eliminate all cars that go faster than 10 miles per hour. That would prevent more deaths than any gun legislation.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 12:05 p.m.

    We should probably do something about this. Oh wait, it was gun violence? Oh then nevermind, let's just do nothing and feign outrage a month or so later when it happens again.

    (There, I just summed up a couple days worth of CSPAN coverage).