Shutdown not to be repeated, alternative elusive

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  • John Locke Ivins, , UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 7:18 p.m.

    I find it difficult to understand why former Senator Bennett and other "somewhat conservative" Republicans who have full access to Deseret News editorial page for stating their anti-party positions, continue to outright bash Mike Lee for his stance on stopping Obamacare with his political strategy on the budget.

    Mike Lee should not be apologetic for his political stance. When I studied Political Science at the University of Utah, one of my professors stated that a representative elected by the people to represent them in Congress, would either 1) let them know what his/her political positions are and indicate that is how he/she will vote, or 2) let the people know immediately that he will follow the majority of his constituents political deference on any issue for vote before him/her. That way, people will not be disappointed.

    Mike Lee was backed by the Tea Party philosophy of government and stated his positions on how he would vote. The people of Utah felt that Senator Bennett did not do that, in spite of his majority constituency's desire on the so-called stimulus package.

    He lost. Lee won. Until Senator Lee runs for office again, he is our Senator.

  • RedShirtMIT Cambridge, MA
    Oct. 21, 2013 12:53 p.m.

    Here is an approach that hasn't been tried in a while. How about congress makes creating and passing a budget its primary focus, rather than waiting until the last minute? If they spent more of their time trying to balance the budget first, then working on other things once they had a budget in hand.

    It has been 5 years since congress last passed a budget. How many more years do we have to wait until they figure out you can't just live paycheck to paychek and borrowing money from everybody?

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 12:23 p.m.

    Since our Govt. cannot handle money, it will soon be China or Russia that will put the brakes on our economy by refusing to accept the dollar. Once the dollar loses world reserve currency status and the petro-dollar link is removed, it ain't gonna be pretty.

    This CR w/o limits is the equivalent of an EBT card without limits and we all saw how that worked out in the La. Walmarts. The debt is $17 trillion now. I would not be surprised to see a couple more trillion added by Feb. when the issue is taken up again.

  • WRK Riverton, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 11:44 a.m.

    To one vote: by reasonable people you mean??? Certainly not this President (and I use that term loosely) or Herry Reid. Reasonable people actually compromise, not say "if you are not going to give me everything I want, I will take my national monuments and go home".

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Oct. 21, 2013 9:14 a.m.

    What really upset the Democrats is that ANYONE should presume to question their borrowing and spending party. That's all their anti-GOP, TEA Party rant amounts to! How dare you demand fiscal accountability from us!

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Oct. 21, 2013 9:03 a.m.

    bandersen: "I pity da fools."

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 7:34 a.m.

    The tea party has had their last tantrum, reasonable people will not stand for it again.

  • The Skeptical Chymist SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 7:26 a.m.

    The federal government should adopt a policy that is in force in some of the states: If a budget is not adopted, expenditures will automatically remain authorized at the same rates as previously, until a revised budget is actually adopted. This would prevent all threats of government shutdown, and would require that any changes actually be approved by the representatives in government.

  • Spoc Ogden, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 11:54 p.m.

    There is an old adage that concludes "it is better to seek forgiveness than permission".

    The primary reason most advocates, including the POTUS, give for raising the debt ceiling is that they have already obligated money above the ceiling and thus we must allow payment for it.

    In government procurement, anyone who commits to payment for goods or services without authorization has committed a felony called a ratification they can be held personally liable for, spend time in jail for, or can be immediately discharged from employment.

    As long as we permit obligating the government to pay for goods or services above the ceiling, there is no ceiling of any worth. Obama said it is fiscally irresponsible to raise the ceiling.

    Let's raise the ceiling once high enough to cover our existing obligations plus a little. Then make it a felony for congress to commit a ratification above that level of authorization and remove them from office if they do.

    Secondly, eliminate the existence of the continuing resolution. All they do is continue to spend under a CR without having to account for it. Force a real budget that is required to be in the black!

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 6:14 p.m.

    If anyone actually thinks the Democrats or Republicans speaking are doing anything but posturing, rather than solving any problems, you are delusional, naive, and unworthy of conversing with anyone but a post. Sorry, Deseret News,I have to be honest. If any take offense, I pity you also.

  • Curly4 Duncan, OK
    Oct. 20, 2013 4:27 p.m.

    The idea of no shutdown at the end of the current CR is the wrong comment to be making publicly. That could give the republicans that they have Obama and the democrats over a barrel and give them the idea that they can get more the next time. Obama and Reid should hold very fast and demand that they get what they know is needed to get this nation moving again. If that requires a very large tax increase on the wealthy so be it.
    A shutdown just before the elections and those who would be losing benefits would be very upset and be more than willing to vote the terrorist out of office.
    Obama had a very effective organization which he used to destroy his republican opponent. This organization should be fully funded and turned loose on any and all conservatives (republican, democrat or tea party) to destroy then for the 2014 election. Those who are elected to replace them would be more likely to support Obama's agenda.