476,000 Obamacare applications filed; Obama frustrated by cascade of computer problems

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    Oct. 24, 2013 3:08 p.m.

    @sid 6.7 - I'm wondering how global population survived before government started regulating and controlling all those wonderful pieces of life. Apparently everyone just dehydrated and starved to death, or had to sustain themselves by eating weeds, and no one owned a firearm and had to walk through uncharted brush to get anywhere, and had no opportunity to voice an opinion.

    Wow - praise be to government!

  • Dr. Thom Long Beach, CA
    Oct. 23, 2013 6:16 p.m.

    Any web manager will tell you it's nit the number of visits, it's the number of successful order completions. A store can have a million cars drive by but that is useless if no one stops and. Us something, and they have to track the difference between customers in the store and those who purchase something, or at least try to.

  • sid 6.7 Holladay, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 3:03 p.m.


    Have you ever done any of the following?

    Had a drink of water in any of the United States
    Eaten US Beef/Chicken/Pork/Fish etc.
    Eaten US Fruit/Vegetables/Grain/Wheat
    Driven on an American road
    Put your money in a US bank
    Traded stock on the US Stock Exchange
    Gotten a loan for a home in the US
    Ben defended by the US Military
    Had a local Police Officer assist you
    Seen a US made movie
    Bought a US made Automobile
    Purchased a US made firearm
    Been free to make completely moronic comments on the KSL web site?

    All of the above freedoms brought to you by the US Government. Keep your "some of these are run by local Government" comments to yourself because all of the examples are Federally funded.

    And oh yea Truth. I'm just wondering if in your utopian world you list above do the Muslims, Buddhists and other Non-Christian religions represented in this free country of ours have the same rights as those who believe in Christ?

    Just curious?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 21, 2013 5:11 p.m.

    I don't mind the Obama voters getting , but why don't they leave the rest of us alone with it?

  • Cowboy Dude SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 10:49 a.m.

    If retail insurance is doubling each year, than I am so thankful I have group insurance at work. I am so thankful I am not self-employed. I am so thankful I don't own a business.

    Writing on the wall, "Layoffs!"

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 10:31 a.m.

    Look at the Humana graphs for Affordable Health Care eligibility subsidies and max out of pocket. The big black space on the bottom left are families and singles paying "retail".

    Now look at the expected price of retail next year. Yes, it's 100% higher and it's expected to double each year for four years. So, a family that earns $100,000 and has less than 4 kids at home will pay double each year. When the kids move out...watch out!

    In Massachusetts a family earning more than $120,00 can expect to pay $30,000 of their income to "Health Care".

    No wonder this is administered by the IRS. Health Care has nothing to do with it.

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 10:15 a.m.

    476,000 transactions over 20 days is less than JetBlue and Alaska Airlines will do.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 21, 2013 8:56 a.m.

    @ Mark:

    The president, and congress can keep their present benefits while the tax payers reimburse the cost of their Obamacare. Lets change exempt to waiver.

    To put the 2013 government shutdown fight over Obamacare in perspective, overall the budget estimates for Obamacare have ballooned from the original $850 billion over 10 years to almost $2 trillion and growing. The head of the Congressional Budget Office originally testified before the House Budget committee that 800,000 American jobs would be lost due to Obamacare. But third party estimates claim the Obamacare job loss will affect 940,000 workers, although both estimates do not take into account how some businesses are choosing to reduce hours to lower than full-time.

    In the end, arguments over Obamacare’s Congress exemption are meaningless if the Affordable Care Act brings the American economy and the Federal government to its knees. The real question is, can Congress get the ACA spending under control or will it become a disaster where the American people are the ultimate losers?

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 8:37 p.m.

    They are using ancient software on a program that has been discussed and dissected for years.

    Strong indication here that it's going to be very, very bad for us all.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 8:23 p.m.

    worf, nobody is exempt from the ACA. No matter what Sean Hannity says.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 20, 2013 6:56 p.m.

    What does Obama care?

    He and his family are exempt from this mess.


  • Justmythoughts Provo, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 6:49 p.m.

    Honestly...can any one really say they were surprised that government couldn't get this right? When has government gotten anything right?

  • David Centerville, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 5:37 p.m.


    You are correct & I try to not be hoodwinked by either party. I recognize the failure of Republicans-which was grossly exposed during the Bush administration.

    I personally feel a good period of government was when Clinton held the White House & Gingrich was Speaker.
    Welfare reform was accomplished under compromise from both parties.

    Again, I repeat, I am ready to vote out any incumbent, & feel more inclined to vote for an honest challenger. If America could restart Congress with a large majority of new representatives & senators who are determined to solve our country's problems, we may be much better off.

  • OlderGreg USA, CA
    Oct. 20, 2013 5:28 p.m.

    Whew!! My insurer just advised me that my coverage can/ will continue for at least another year with a $40 premium increase in January. They changed the name -- it is now "gold".

    I did check out my options under ACA (yes, I was one of those lookie-Lous) -- and all were horribly more expensive -- considering the mix of premiums along with the "gotchas" of copays and deductibles.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 2:26 p.m.

    David: Everything you wrote sounds good, but unless you haven't looked at the size of government the past 50 years, you are seriously naive. The opposite of everything you listed has happened, despite Republican leadership. Hopefully, you, along with many others, will open your eyes to the reality that you, and most likely, many,many others just like you, have been ignored with a smile. Hopefully, you are seeing beyond the words and are now ready to vote someone in office that actually performs. P.S. Mike Lee is one of them that has done exactly as he said he would do. Like him or not, he isn't the establishment candidate for the Republican kingmen. Democrats, of course, fall into the same category.

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    Oct. 20, 2013 2:10 p.m.

    Here's what's wrong with ObamaCare.

    A rotten dysfunctional federal website.
    The pillaging of Medicare in order to pay for ObamaCare.
    Turning people into "welfare" recipients with the subsidies.
    A one year delay for businesses, but not for the little people.
    Insurance companies having to meet each state's complicated rules.
    (Instead of being allowed to sell nationally across state lines.)
    Having to divulge WAY too much information before getting a quote.
    Millions still being uninsured because of the Medicaid/Medicare "gap."
    The failure to provide real time stats on how many policies are being sold.
    Exemptions from the law for the selected few: unions, religious groups, etc.
    An overly complicated law, that will increase health care and insurance costs.
    Being forced, by the Federal government, to buy a private product or service.
    (Just because you are alive. What's next? cars, solar panels)
    Companies reducing the hours employees work in order to avoid having to pay for insurance for their employees.

    Even those who agree with ObamaCare's goals, would have to admit this isn't the way they wanted it to work. The K.I.S.S. principle is badly needed.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 11:10 a.m.

    Sounds like it's a victim of its' own success. And weak supporting technology. Let's get behind this and make it work.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 10:49 a.m.

    Obamacare is a failure? Is anything with Obama's name on it not a failure?

    Christian rights

  • Tyler Ray Taylorsville, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 10:35 a.m.

    @ Beverly,

    While you do have a valid point. This health care law is broken and will certainly cause more Americans to become poor.

    We need a better plan that can help the sick while promoting economic growth.

    I hope Republicans and Democrats can come up with something much much better.

  • Daniel Leifker San Francisco, CA
    Oct. 20, 2013 10:29 a.m.

    These numbers are very deceptive. I once heard the CEO of a new travel website complain about customers, who had a "look but not buy" mentality. He was right. For every hotel I book online, I investigate 20 or 30. For every flight I book online, I check out 20 or 30 to find the best deal.

    I spent a lot of time on my state's ObamaCare website comparing plans. I just wanted to confirm that my new insurance rate (which is almost doubling on Jan 1) was in like with other plans on the market. I had to create and account and drill down pretty deep to get the numbers. But don't count me as one of the serious visitors. I'll probably never log in again.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 10:06 a.m.


    The Republican Party proposes the following: emphasis on job creation; controlling inflation; participation in a global economy; balancing the federal budget; reducing federal debt; entitlement and tax reform, reducing the size of government to achieve a balanced budget; maintaining government/state/individual rights as defined and described by the US Constitution, Amendments, and Bill of Rights; protecting our freedoms with a strong military and border control; protecting and supporting religious and inherent freedoms of democracy; helping people become independent and free to experience the American Dream of growth and happiness.

    The Republican Party has many ideas. They also reject many ideas, such as: centralized government control of the economy, ever expanding size of government, a federal government with an insatiable appetite for more money, the loss of religious liberties, the growing dependence of Americans upon government welfare, to name only a few.

  • JLFuller Boise, ID
    Oct. 20, 2013 9:45 a.m.

    The piece above says "...admonition from a frustrated president...". Well what do you expect when you put political hacks and election advisors in charge? Is there any nation on earth which adopted socialism that out performs a well-run capitalist country? Is there any nation on earth with a history of printing money at the rate we have under Obama whose economy survives more than a few years? Does Zimbabwe or 1920's Germany come to mind? A frustrated president indeed. Obama should have tried running a hamburger joint before trying the presidency on. But the largest share of the blame lays at the feet of the ill-informed people who consistently vote Democrat and elect people like Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 9:20 a.m.

    And obama so loved the poor he created millions more.

  • Tyler Ray Taylorsville, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 8:29 a.m.

    Dave Ramsey explained that when the government requires coverage for everyone, including those with preexisting conditions the insurance companies now cover many more astronomical medical bills. To make up for paying those bills they raise premiums on the young and the healthy.

    Basically this bill is socialism. Also, the bill is set to insure 10 million more people with no plans to increase the number of doctors. In a few years meetings with a doctor will be few and far between.

    Add to that the thousands of businesses cutting hours, freezing plans to hire employees, spousal coverage being removed, existing and potential business owners fear and you have a plan to destroy capitalism and the American dream!

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 8:27 a.m.

    For the 'entitlement' crowd, signing up for something is a drag, including the many young people that could care less about health care right now. I, for one, could not be happier that this failed attempt to rule from Washington, put together by corrupt and greedy lawmakers, driven by the slave holding rich and corporate crony capitalists, and a naive, but foolish generation will bring more chaos. The learning curve is sometimes very expensive, but in the end, liberty and freedom and obedience to God make for a wonderful result.

  • Wilf 55 SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 8:12 a.m.

    So many people with pre-existing conditions will now be able to get health care without losing their home and die in debt. That's worth a few computer glitches.

  • U-tar Woodland Hills, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 8:10 a.m.


  • Beverly Eden, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 7:45 a.m.

    The Republican Party should learn to give more than lip service to those less fortunate. Initially opposed to Social Security during the FDR era, opposed to Medicare, - basically opposed to the poor. Obama care will help many people who can't afford health insurance. A national health care law is a good idea. President George Bush tried to get one and fail as did President Clinton. President Obama got it done. In the years ahead, conservatives will eventually defend it - as they now defend Social Security. All conservatives do is defend old Liberal ideas. I wish they would come up with an idea of their own.

  • The Judge Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 7:43 a.m.

    Obamacare is so great that congress, unions, and businesses are exempt from it. The little guy, the guy that pays his own way, is the guy getting screwed. Typical Obama.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Oct. 20, 2013 7:42 a.m.

    Imagine what the Democrats would be saying if this Obamacare mess had been hatched by the GOP?

  • macnkat BEAUMONT, CA
    Oct. 20, 2013 6:52 a.m.

    I wonder how Amazon.com deals with 700 million hits a day without crashing? I'm sure they didn't spend anywhere near the amount the government paid for this fiasco. I will NOT be giving them any of my personal information and would encourage all to avoid this ACA.

  • freedom in 2017 paradise, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 6:36 a.m.

    king barry is frustrated? i think it is because he hasn't had a vacation in a month. go barry, go. i actually think the feeling is clueless. just over three years until this nightmare comes to an end. one recommendation to americans, next time elect someone that has accomplished more than hanging community organizing fliers on telephone poles and making is more worthwhile than taking.

  • Pac_Man Pittsburgh, PA
    Oct. 20, 2013 1:04 a.m.


    Romney said he was going to keep parts of Obamacare in place. Not sure how much of difference that would have made.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 11:41 p.m.

    So this is more complicated than they first believed. It is costing much more than anticipated. They won't achieve the numbers to make it affordable. They aren't ready for the roll-out. Nearly everyone is frustrated.

    I have an idea. Why don't we delay it a year?

    give it another month and Obama will be announcing a 12 month delay. Just wait and see.

    Our emperor has no clothes on!

  • Aggie84 Idaho Falls, ID
    Oct. 19, 2013 11:13 p.m.

    Americans had a choice to vote in Romney, they didn't. Consequently, live with what you have voted in Americans.

  • Sasha Pachev Provo, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 10:23 p.m.

    Anybody who has worked in an IT industry can tell you that when you have a large team working on a complex system lots of things can go wrong - especially if there is government bureaucracy involved. If you want it to work keep do not make it more complicated than it absolutely needs to be. This applied both to technology and the government.

  • Mark from Montana Aurora, CO
    Oct. 19, 2013 10:07 p.m.

    I am in favor of the ACA, though I have many concerns.

    However, I read an interesting analysis of the issues with the web site which said the problems are a direct result of not allowing people to see the pricing before creating an account. Deliberate obfuscation on the part of Obama. Yet he is not 'frustrated'.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 10:04 p.m.

    "Obama's advisers say the president has been frustrated by the flawed rollout."

    Well, Americans are frustrated by this flawed healthcare bill that Obama shoved down our throats against our will.

    Democrats are going to be a laughing stock for years to come because of this bill. "We have to pass it to find out what's in it!" Priceless! We found out what's in it, alright: a whole bunch of junk.