Obama lashes GOP; Hatch ponders Heritage's future

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    Oct. 21, 2013 11:23 a.m.


    And yet the elecorate in Utah voted Hatch into office 6 times.

    You can't complain about the guy and then vote for him every election. Some very good, reasonable people have ran against him. The problem was they had a "D" after their name. In Utah that is an automatic disqualifier for many voters.

    Hopefully the insanity that is the Tea Party will get republicans in Utah out of their shell and looking at the actual candidate instead of only party affiliation.

  • Justmythoughts Provo, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 8:18 p.m.

    Can Orrin Hatch honestly say the country is better off than when he took office 36 years ago? It is much worse.

  • Gr8Dane Tremonton, UT
    Oct. 20, 2013 10:06 a.m.

    Orrin Hatch is right. Heritage used to be a respectable think tank which focused on policy. Now the inmates have taken over and are running Heritage into the ground getting involved in threatening politicians who don't tow their line. That's no longer a think tank. It's a real shame.

  • Beverly Eden, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 7:38 a.m.

    Senator Hatch is attempting to run in front of a parade he initially tried to block. With his statement that this was his last term in the Senate, he should have shown courage and stopped this nonsense. He is a senior member of the Senate and of the Republican Party. His lack of leadership is horrible. It take courage to go against the tide of the Tea Party. Senator Hatch should have stood up and shown leadership - instead he followed. Shutting down the government to win your position? Give me a break.

  • Baron Scarpia Logan, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 6:57 a.m.

    I remember when the GOP was the party of business -- it sought stability and predictability in government so that business leaders could make investments and create jobs with confidence in the full faith and security of the U.S. government. It seems to have forgotten that legacy.

    Today, the GOP has become a loose canon which believes massive disruption and government default is the only way to stop ONE law -- ObamaCare. What happened to the principle value of preserving America's economic security? The GOP had many opportunities to vote down ObamaCare -- but couldn't do it. Too many Americans want it, plain and simple. The GOP should work to make ObamaCare effective for businesses with a predictable implementation -- rather than create so much uncertainty and disruption that the GOP's actions become THE reason our economy continues to drag.

    History is shaping up to say that today's GOP sought to take away Americans' opportunity for affordable healthcare and moved to shut down the government to do so. Conservatives opposed women's right to vote. Conservatives opposed civil rights. Once again, conservatives are moving to once again be on the wrong side of history.

  • oragami St. George, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 7:51 p.m.

    bandersen: I think you missed my point. I do believe everyone should have a voice. I am encouraging the members of the Tea Party to express themselves as much as possible. That way, their ideology can compete in the marketplace of ideas. The more people learn about the true intent of the Tea Party, and their real motives, the better. What's wrong with that? And to say that the TP is new suggests that you have a very shallow understanding of their underlying ideology, which has been around since the days of secession, Jim Crow, McCarthyism, John Birchers, Moral Majority etc.....The only thing new about the TP is the name Tea Party.

  • Ralph West Jordan Taylorsville, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 6:47 p.m.

    I love hearing the high pitched whining of the Right, pontificating the ills and follies of the POTUS! If I'm not mistaken Obama won the last two presidential elections against the Republicans very best talent! All I see in these anti Obama rants are his perceived faults, seldom do I ever see them claim any great and history making successes of their own. Oh sorry! I forgot the sterling success the Pubs had this past week during the shut down and debt limit fiasco! That certainly is one they will want to hang in the trophy case! When all is said and done, it all comes down to "Scoreboard", eight years for Obama, looking like eight for Hillary, and zero for the Pubs.

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 5:24 p.m.

    Thank you, Senator Hatch for identifying the problems in D.C., although you are diametrically opposed to the actual facts.

    I am delighted to know that contributions to Heritage will be waging the good fight to save our country. Likewise, I am glad to be a contributor to Ted Cruz and Mike Lee campaigns. I need to send each of these a lot more money!

    And, I am most proud that I contributed to Hatch's opponent in the last campaign. Unfortunately, Hatch's massive campaign fund (from establishment and lobbyist types) prevailed. I am saddened that Utah ended up with a Senator who basks in his past glory, touts his experience and clout, but has done exactly nothing to halt the horrendous destruction of out country by the liberals.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 3:38 p.m.

    Origami: I'm sorry to inform you, the Tea party wasn't even begun until 5 or 6 years ago. If anything, it is growing by leaps and bounds, including diminishing the power of the corrupt Democratic and Republican parties. Nevertheless, every person should have a voice, something you seem to diminish. I'm not a Tea party member. That's the great thing about being an independent. No one knows exactly how to track you, label you, or disdain you. Far from being passive, however, the strength coming from those who know there is something better should not be underestimated. It is the future, albeit one that will strain under the weight of carrying those who can't think for themselves.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 3:01 p.m.

    The message is simple. If we had more real men in our society, we wouldn't have the leaders that we have in the halls of congress. Unfortunately, the lack of real men falls heaviest on the women of this country in everything from deadbeat fathers to aborted life. Women are taken advantage of by the Harry Reid's of this world, who patronizingly use the power of the government to keep them on the government dole and lined up at the abortion clinics. Where are the real leaders and the real men?

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 2:01 p.m.

    I am ashamed of Hatch......Utahns and true conservatives should be deeply ashamed we elected this wolf in sheeps clothing!

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 1:50 p.m.

    The tea party is wrong. Senator Lee should resign since he failed and caused damage.

  • oragami St. George, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 1:03 p.m.

    To all tea-party zealots I say THANK YOU. The more you fight against something, the more popular that something gets!!!! Keep pushing extreme ideas and extreme leaders, as the more you do, the more average Americans and even true conservatives, reject you. That's right, just keep digging your own holes deeper. Soon, no one living on the surface of reality will even see you. Prop up Cruz. Keep feeding his ego. Keep falling prey to the false-consensus effect. Keep making outrageous claims about Obama. Keep being irrationally angry and hostile. Just keep being yourselves and your movement toward irrelevance will be assured. Keep loving the fantasy America in your heads, and hating the real America that you live in. Thank you for showing the country and the world exactly who you are. Thank you for reinforcing the absolute necessity of moderation in governance. Thank you for making it obvious to everyone outside your echo chamber just how shrill the noises you make are. Keep it up Tea Party. Heckuva job!

  • milner Centerfield Sanpete, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 12:53 p.m.

    The President is right!

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 12:41 p.m.

    To demonstrate your leadership, Mr. Obama, propose a budget, vote on it and have the differences resolved in conference committee. Do not run the country on continuing resolutions and practicing crisis management. We've been threatened with too many cliffs. Blaming others for your lack of leadership is the mark of an ineffective leader. You are starting to sound like a Venezuelan president. The current unacceptable legislative process that has been your modus for the past several years is of your making. Now, stop going to fund raisers or playing gold and do the heavy lifting of governance.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 12:27 p.m.

    Typical Barack - blame someone else. The man is not a leader and everyone knows it. It just doesn't cut it to expect conformity to everything on your agenda and then blame the other side when they want to negotiate some common sense things. What a terrible leader.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 12:11 p.m.

    @ There you go again

    No Tea Party member has that question.

    But, the left is questioning why their brilliant plans of running this country is making everyone upset. After all the left actually believe everyone loves to be taxed. That minorities will follow them to the ends of the universe. That sending jobs overseas is a good thing. That debt=wealth.

    Maybe we need to send people that are on the left back to school and not allow them vote, until they can balance a check book, work 8 hour days, pay for their own food, pay for their own medical.

    Don't give me the pathetic story of the exception to the rule. Explain how 50-60% of the people in this country are the exception to the rule? It's not because some people are rich and unwilling to empty their pockets into bottomless programs....

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 11:12 a.m.

    Does anyone else notice that bo seems to always have the answer after each disaster.

    Some examples:

    "The Cambridge police acted stupidly" "They have a history of being racists" Let's have a beer summit to lecture the officer.

    "It is all Bush's fault"

    Benghazi- "It was a youtube video that caused a random protest that got a little out of hand. Just another case of work place violence"

    Ft Hood Texas- "It was just workplace violence"

    Congresswoman Gifford- "Guns caused the shooting" Even though the shooter is a registered democrat and a supporter of bo.

    Obummercare- "I promise that everyone will see $2500 reduction in their healthcare cost" Still waiting bo.

    Here's another classical line "We just need more time, we are almost there. Forward!"

    Unemployment will drop to 5% if you give me $2 trillion. We've given him $7 Trillion and we're still way above his promised mark.

    You'll notice he always has an excuse of why his policies are failures. It's always because of someone else or ATM machines or white people etc. He just can't be a man and admit the borrow, spend and tax policies of the left will never everwork.Nomatterhowmuchyoutax.

  • Viva la Migra American Fork, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 11:07 a.m.

    Isn't this the same guy who for weeks claimed he just wanted a "clean" CR, and once that passed, he would be willing to sit down and negotiate with the conservatives over their Obamacare / Budget concerns. Now that he's received and signed a pork-laden CR, his first move is to immediately attack the GOP. I cannot recall a more petulant "leader" than our current President.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 10:25 a.m.

    "...There's a real question in the minds of many Republicans now. ... Is Heritage going to go so political that it really doesn't amount to anything anymore?"...".


    No question.

    Is going?


    The once credible source of conservative information has been hijacked and consequently damaged by south carolina ex-senate ideologue jim demint.

    The current iteration merely functions as a vehicle for jim demint propaganda.


  • ute alumni paradise, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 10:02 a.m.

    other nations don't take us serious because barry can't be taken serious. remember this is the guy that hung lightpole posters in chicago as a community organizer...zero experience

  • rightascension Provo, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 9:20 a.m.

    For years, USA has told -- butt-in-ski-like -- other nations how to run their governments and cultures. Now --- after all the appalling grandstanding of the shutdown, hard to see how foreign governments will take seriously our example of Democracy in Action.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 9:04 a.m.

    Without the heritage foundation where will DN get so many stories and editorials?

  • Pete1215 Lafayette, IN
    Oct. 18, 2013 8:29 a.m.

    We can't afford Obamacare. Obamacare is being forced upon us. Appologies to our victimized youth.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 8:26 a.m.

    Yes, it is going to take a few "maverick rebels" who will take the early arrows to get people to see that staid old phony mavericks like McCain and Hatch are not about anything other than business as usual in Washington D.C. Well business as usual will one day add up to bankruptcy if something is not done. I'm glad a couple of rookie Senators have had the guts to stand out amoung that old tired cigar smoking (well not in the case of Reid and Hatch I suppose) bunch of clubbers who run the Senate. Yesterday Obama said, if you want to change things, win elections. Unbelievable!! Shows you the man thinks in terms of the only election that mattered was his. He ought to take that kind of thinking and go run a banana republic. In the meantime, I hope the real mavericks in Congress will not let up until some deal is reached that includes a pathway out of an unmanagable debt.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 8:12 a.m.

    Meanwhile -- a whole bunch of earmarks were added at the last minute to the bill to reopen the government.

    Mitch McConnell managed to land a few million dollars for a dam on the Ohio River. Geez, can't those clowns do anything without loading it with pork?

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 7:12 a.m.

    Orrin Hatch one of the old go along to get along Republicans. Glad he is leaving. Isn't the Country in great shape going along with the status quo. Both Parties have led us to the brink of disaster. Thanks to Cruz, Lee, Paul and a few others who have the courage to oppose the way things are going.

  • Elwood P. Suggins BEAVERTON, OR
    Oct. 18, 2013 7:07 a.m.

    He should know. Senator Hatch has lost all of his clout, but his loss was due to his lack conservatism. I see too many finger-in-the-wind decisions for my tastes. Hatch should have retired gracefully before the last election.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 6:20 a.m.

    Doesn't the President realize that he has already shown the world we have no "steady leadership" due to people like Hillary and himself being so wishy washy. That ship already sailed on Obama and he was captain.

  • ute alumni paradise, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 5:33 a.m.

    that's all obama does is lash out at repubs and conservatives. can.t blame him as it has worked for him because of the low information voter and the millions of votes from the takers. fortunately he and hatch are now lame termers.

  • Brad Peterson South Ogden, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 2:35 a.m.

    The Tea Party express said: "To put it plain and simple: We don't have enough conservatives in Congress to stop the irresponsible spending in Washington."

    And thanks to their actions, there will be even less conservatives in Congress in 2014. Really, can any of you think of a single independent or Democrat voter who said "Wow, these Tea Party folks are doing something smart here! I've been swayed to vote for them the next election." None of them were swayed.

    Polls show more Americans blamed Republicans than Democrats. Republican approval ratings are at an all time low. The Tea Party's stubbornness alienates voters and attracts nobody new to their cause. And that is ruining any chance for Republicans to do anything productive in the future.

  • aceroinox Farmington, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 12:58 a.m.

    The one who has long since lost his relevancy is Orrin Hatch. He is so inextricably tied to earmarks and pork barrel politics that he does not understand the depth of our peril. We e are in an ever tightening and rapidly accelerating death spiral of government spending, yet he and the rest of Congress (with a few notable exceptions) think it's OK to proceed with government as usual. With our national debt now at more than $55,000 for every man woman and child in this country, it is clearly time to STOP SPENDING! Senator, please don't brag a out any more projects you've brought to Utah! They cost money! We don't have any more money! Time to bite the bullet and cut up the credit cards!

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 11:41 p.m.

    Mr Obama is equally to blame as the GOP. Though he had little to do with the start of the recent fight he also had nothing to do with resolving it. Many of us saw this divide worsening if Mr Obama was reelected yet we chose to do it anyway, what a shame for our country. We can choose to blame the polititians but we put them there, it's our own fault.