Afghanistan's future

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  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    Oct. 21, 2013 10:11 a.m.

    "Why don't conservatives have anything to say about conservative blunders? You want to have a revolution over cash for clunkers and Solyndra when Bush's war on terror is a complete debt ballooning failure?"

    The war was/is a war on world Islamic terrorism. You remember the guys that brought down the Twin Towers in NYC, don't you? This war will last for decades and perhaps a century. Get used to it. And if we don't win we may well be praying five times a day while facing Mecca.

    "YOU are ruining this country."

    Trying to not only save our country but humanity as well.

  • redshirt007 tranquility base, 00
    Oct. 20, 2013 3:51 p.m.

    Bush and Rumsfield said 6 months.

    Why don't conservatives have anything to say about conservative blunders? You want to have a revolution over cash for clunkers and Solyndra when Bush's war on terror is a complete debt ballooning failure?

    YOU are ruining this country.

  • Alfred Phoenix, AZ
    Oct. 20, 2013 3:24 p.m.

    "We were never a christian nation. How do I know? Ask the Native Americans if they were Christian."

    Yes, but... they were conquered and whatever their religion was (if any), it was supplanted by Christianity... by the pilgrims, etc. Sorry to inform.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 7:46 p.m.

    We were never a christian nation.

    How do I know?

    Ask the Native Americans if they were Christian.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    Oct. 19, 2013 12:30 p.m.

    "The United States cannot afford to have wasted more than a decade in Afghanistan..."

    We are in a war on terrorism... Muslim terrorism. A major event of which was the 9/11 attack by Muslims. The war on terror will last for decades and perhaps centuries. Get used to it. Unfortunately, it will soon enough be waged on our own soil. How do we know? Obama tells us that we are no longer a Christian nation and that we have enough resident Muslims to be called a Muslim nation. Why do you thing Obama wants to do away with our immigration laws? For two basic reasons... to let in Hispanics who vote Democrat, and to let in more immigrants from the mid-east. And who are the people in the mid-east? Predominantly Muslim. Obama came to this country with an agenda, and he's right on track with it. God help us, and keep your fingers crossed!

    Thankfully, the DNews monitors are starting to allow the words 'Muslim' and 'terrorism' to be used in the same sentence.

  • Church member North Salt Lake, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 8:01 p.m.

    I love how this editorial staff wants to lower our national debt. But they don't want to leave Afganistan. They don't want to cut military/pentagon spending. And they don't want to tax the rich.

    Does anyone else find this interesting?

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 5:17 p.m.

    The people who perpetuate war...

    should be the only ones in them.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 5:16 p.m.

    ‘On my orders, the United States military has begun strikes against al-Qaeda terrorist training camps and military installations of the Taleban regime in Afghanistan.'
    - GEORGE W. BUSH – 10/07/2001

    The war in Afghanistan has yielded zero results, and no tangible benefit. Just the tantrum of poor leadership looking for a target, guilty or not, after 9/11. The worst terrorist attack in American history that happened under the same President who claims they 'kept America safe'.

    Osama Bin Laden was found in Pakistan.

    And after he died under the orders of our current President, he CUT funding to Pakistan by $800 million dollars.

    Reported by the Deseret news: 07/10/11.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Oct. 18, 2013 3:06 p.m.

    Let me see ---

    After spending 5,000 good, young American lives,
    12 years and
    $3 Trillion --

    all the while calling Veterans like myself un-Patriotic, un-Americans -- the Deseret News is finally coming around to their belated senses.

    I suspect their readers to come around in about 20 years or so.
    [While many never will, and will simply call the Deseret News a "LIBERAL" rag.]

  • DaveGarber1975 Provo, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 1:02 p.m.

    Afghanistan won't have a peaceful government until enough of its citizens want one. And I don't think that American activity there is helping them to do so. I think that our federal government would do better to stop treating Afghanistan like an overseas territory, end its post-war occupation of Afghanistan, let Afghans govern themselves, and let individual Americans freely support nonprofit efforts in Afghanistan.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 12:11 p.m.

    History will note that Mr. Obama's personal acceptance of the Afghan war and subsequent troop surge will have the same importance as Viet Nam; wasted billions, pointless loss of lives and little if any positive impact on the country. The military carries out the foreign policy of politicians, not their own agenda. Our respect for those in uniform is not diminished by their being sent on a fool's errand.

  • caleb in new york Glen Cove, NY
    Oct. 18, 2013 11:43 a.m.

    I remember in my economics 101 class that sunken costs should be ignored in making present decisions. Sunken costs being defined as costs already spent. Caring about sunken costs is a form of sentimentality that is a hindrance to the best decision-making.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Oct. 18, 2013 11:03 a.m.

    Of all the reasons to occupy another country, I can think of none less logical or less worthwhile than the one which says "We have to invest even more and destroy more and more in order that past soldiers will not have died in vain." From such arguments we get things like the Hundred Years War.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 10:01 a.m.

    Nothing has been wasted in Afghanistan; American businessmen have made trillions of dollars profit from the lives of people and money spent in Afghanistan. We did little to nothing to help the people of Afghanistan while increasing the Opium trade and recruiting Taliban.

    It would seem that the American people would learn from this and other experiences that killing people is a terrible way to make friends. And that the wrong kind of people are running our government.

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 10:01 a.m.


    I agree completely.
    It seems to me that those who were so interested in sending the army to Iraq and Afghanistan have ne

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 9:06 a.m.

    Afghanistan is a problem and Iraq wasn't?

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 8:40 a.m.

    What the United States can't afford is to stay in a state of continual war. If the editorial writers of the dessert news feel this way they should get out their own checkbook and contribute to hiring a force which will do their bidding. Better yet they should pick up a gun go to Afganistan to fight and and encourage their children to do likewise.

  • UtahVoter Spanish Fork, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 8:36 a.m.

    Our foreign policy is way out of alignment with our founding ideals. We have done a great deal of harm in our recent, continually unjustifiably expanding wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and doing *more* of it is not going to make things better - for anybody. Not for the citizens of Afghanistan. Not for their neighbors. And certainly not for taxpayers and patriotic defense volunteers back here in the States.

    Noted journalist, Jeremy Scahill did a good documentary recently on the kind of military objectives the US is currently pushing for in Afghanistan. It's on Netflix right now. It's called 'Dirty Wars' and it is definitely worth watching if one opines that we ought back *more* armed engagements in Afghanistan.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 7:45 a.m.


    "Going in to these countries we have to understand that change comes very slowly."

    And in some cases, never at all. Afghanistan and I believe most other Middle-East Muslim countries, change will never come as long as the religion trumps politics. And in the Islamic world, that will always be the case. The religion of Islam is so ingrained in that part of the world it makes the average Christian American look like an athiest.

  • techpubs Sioux City, IA
    Oct. 18, 2013 7:17 a.m.

    Going in to these countries we have to understand that change comes very slowly.
    It takes at least 40 years of making a new system work properly in order to get the old control system out. Only those under 20 will embrace the change quickly so it is important to get that first group from 10 to 20 up to the positions of power that are allotted to those who are 50 to 60 so that they can continue the process. After only 10 years there are too many people who will do what the tribal leader orders them to do even in the voting booth.

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 6:56 a.m.

    And this would be all done with borrowed money?

    Many people estimate our total cost of our little preemptive adventure in Iraq at three trillion dollars. That figure includes equipment replacement costs, medical care for wounded veterans and interest costs of borrowed money. Yes the money for fighting the war in Iraq was borrowed!

    I realize the war in Iraq was extremely popular here in Utah but in retrospect was it worth the cost in lives and dollars?

    It seems to me that those who supported the preemptive invasion now seem to have amnesia about it.

    Tell me who was held accountable for all the so called intelligence?

  • Stalwart Sentinel San Jose, CA
    Oct. 18, 2013 6:40 a.m.

    Translation: After trillions spent, more than a decade of US intervention has exacerbated the volatility and insecurity in the region so therefore we need a prolonged presence by the primary force responsible for the insecurity.

    Great logic. In other news, DesNews opines that throwing a bucket of water on a drowning man is good b/c it may help him drown in a more timely fashion, thereby ending his pain more rapidly.

    With all the "do goodin'" we're up to over there, it's amazing to me they haven't petitioned to become the 51st state. Perhaps it has to do with the fact that our Nation is proactively trying to protect any American wrongdoers from being subject to local authorities for their actions, which DesNews apparently supports. So much for taking responsibility for one's actions.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 6:38 a.m.

    I can't believe I'm reading this. I, and millions like me, could have told George Bush that you can't go into Afghanistan and expect to change that country in any meaningful or permanent way. Others had tried it, others had failed. It was right to go there to kill Al Queda. Wrong to try to impose a democratic government on people for whom their religion is the mose important than voting. As a Vietnam vet, I remember how this country tried to get out of there with some kind of success. After 10 years we left, and a couple of years later, the Communists we were trying to stop, took over anyway. Waste of blood and money. Some countries just can't be civilized. Why do we continue to think we can force our values everywhere? In many places they don't want them or us. Now Afghanistan. Let's declare victory and leave. That is the one thing I thought Obama would do early in his Presidency. He even failed me on that.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Oct. 18, 2013 5:05 a.m.

    I apologize to the DN editorial board. I disagree. The reason is that the government of Afghanistan is corrupt. One of the most corrupt in the world. We have warned them multiple times. They have not reformed. We wish them the best, we would like to help them, it is in our best interest to help them. But as long as they are corrupt there is nothing that we can do. We are fighting a losing battle.

    If we continue to help them, we are, in effect, saying, that there are no consequences for their bad actions. It tells anyone who we may help in the future that they can get away with murder and we will be a bunch of wet noodles about the issue and we will beg and plead but ultimately, we will do nothing.
    We are there to help them . But if we look the other way about their corruption, we are not helping we are hurting.