The attackers of the President are attacking each other now. A wild pack of
Obama and Reid wanted to have the shutdown. It was a political calculation that
they could count of the MSM blaming Republicans and the tea party. We saw the
disenguous Reid and the ruthlessObama sink to gutter attacks against the
Tea Party and Republicans. The false narrative was paroted thru the ABC,CBS, NBC
anchors just as expected. It was the Democrats shutdown but who would be able to
figure that out with the bombastic press.
@atl134:* living within our means would cause a recession?*
spending money we don't have is irresponsible, and un-patriotic---Barack
Obama 2008* it's not the role of government to manage health care, or
education.* eighty percent of the poor, are that way because of their own
decision making, and government policies. That doesn't give political
leaders the right to steal from those who were responsible. Help must come from
local churches, communities, or relatives.* pre-existing conditions?
Companies would go broke, because people would wait for an illness before
getting insurance. Do the math. Simple to understand.
@worf"Give some specifics of how a higher debt ceiling, and Obamacare
is good for this country. "The cuts needed to stay compliant
without a debt ceiling increase would trigger another recession. Obamacare will
help people better afford insurance through subsidized policies (subsidies being
why this isn't a hammer being dropped on the poor). While we're at it,
the subsidies aren't freebies, the subsidies are weighted so that the most
poor only have to pay around 3% of income on premiums, increasing to around 6 or
9% as you go up to the middle and then upper middle class. But you go on ahead
and explain why letting companies deny coverage due to pre-existing conditions
is a good thing.
@Counter Intelligence"The people also voted for the House to oppose
Obama. "Actually they voted for a Democratic House in that more
votes were cast for Democrats than Republicans. Turns out Republicans boxed
Democrats into gerrymandered districts so badly (look at Ohio 13Rs and 5Ds but
they voted for Obama) that they ended up with the majority. In the Senate, where
you can't gerrymander, Democrats picked up two seats in 2012.
@patriotObama and Democrats accepted the funding proposals that the House
made for gov't, despite their objections to many of those levels
(particularly things cut from the sequester).@Mountanman"Obama's approval numbers according to a recent A.P. poll=
37%"The Republican party's approval rating in a recent
Gallup poll: 29%@Herbert Gravy"How quickly he forgets or
ignores the "senseless damage" his IRS folks did to the opposing party
in the last election."They targeted liberal groups too (a
liberal group was the only one to get their tax exempt status denied). I guess
your side of the media ignored the details.
It is odd that the CEO or President of our nation doesn't want to share
responsibility for his actions during the past 3 years with the House or Board
of Directors not wanting to go his way in everything. Fortunately or
unfortunately, we have the 100 other members of the Board or Senate that have
used their power and influence in the media to sway the balance and not
necessarily in the right direction, since they are left of center. Fortunately, whoever the next President will be is not the one in the office
for the present time. What a blessing to have Senators on a 6 year with 1/3 up
every two years and the House members elected every two years. That must have
been an inspired document to have such thought and inspiration for the Founding
Fathers to put in when a President is elected every four years. With the Press
leaning toward the liberal media presentation of almost everything including
movies and television programs, we will have to fend off the transparency this
President has brought into his position. With his wife happy for
the first time in her life to be an American, we lose.
Silly arguments between democrats, and rebublicans, doesn't solve problems,
but a waste of time. Tax cut for the rich, is a cut to those who
pay eighty percent of our taxes.--How is that a disaster?---What about those who
don't pay income taxes?
For those who bemone that the President would not negotiate the Continuing
Resolution Authority (CRA).The action in question was to pass a
(CRA). A CRA is a procedural funding process to keep the Govt funded at the
previous FY levels until a full year budget is passed. I understand it, I spent
many years managing contractor efforts and waiting for an annual budget or the
CRA so I could continue supporting the Army. The only adjustments to the CRA
permitted were prenegotiated contract cost changes for inflation and for
approved salary changes during the previous year.This was not a full
Fyscil Year budget process which is to be completed (should have been
completed)by the end of Sept. The word Bubget was used too often in the wrong
context in the media. The Legislative process to repeal ACA was correctly
attempted nearly 50 times last Legislative season and failed. It is still the
Law, confirmed by the Supreme Court. Attacking funding in the CRA process was
illegal.The President will need to negotiate with the Congress on the FY14
and FY 15 budget, no doubt.
Itsjstmeagain,"It is the Congress who passes a budget, not the
President"Your right! You should research what party controlled
the house and senate the last half of Clinton's time as president...Bush had to get approval from Congress for funds spent on Iraq and any
other Overseas Contingiency Operations/war on terror. Iraq and Afghanistan were
funded through Supplemental appropriations that had to be passed in Congress.
Obama signed one in 2009. The biggest jump in spending yoy in in
the last 30 years was a 16% increase from 2008-2009. What party was in control
of Congress? To be clear, both parties are to blame when it comes to the debt.
But, I am astonished at how many people blame one political party, who by the
way is in the minority(Dems control the senate and presidency). When will
either party take responsibility? The sad part is, Congress has about 535
people in it that all have a vote. The Presidency has one guy, the president.
Placing blame in Congress can prove difficult, however the president has no one
else to blame except himself.Bush gets blamed for everything. Obama
gets blamed for nothing...Interesting.
itsjustmeagainthe house DID pass a budget - harry and the DEM senate
ignored it. How does that make it the GOP's fault?BO increased
the debt more in 38 months than bush did in 96. how is that bush's
fault?The last time gross federal debt decreased was in 1969, under
Nixon (R). There was no surplus under slick - gross federal debt INCREASED every
year during his administration. IF there was a surplus (some use fuzzy
accounting to say there was) it was from a GOP budget, as YOU point out in your
snarky comment about reading your kid's civics book! PS, you
need a possessive apostrophe between "kid" and "s", otherwise
you are talking plural children, rather than about a possession belonging to
your child. Now, I know sometimes the DN's page cannot handle punctuation,
so if that is the reason you left the apostrophe out, you can ignore my PS.
@Itsjstmeagain-- give examples of "senseless and dangerous antics of
Cruz". Give some specifics of how a higher debt ceiling, and Obamacare is
good for this country. What's been done to reverse passed spending, and
clearing up the interest we pay?Blaming is not curing.
Bemoans? He and everyone else should be outraged at the senseless and dangerous
antics of Cruz and the other followers of doom.For other
commentators: It is the Congress who passes a budget, not the President. Bush
started spending outside of the budget for his wars in the middle east. Todays
debt is far more accruing interest from the debt left since Reagan and every
President since except Clinton. Bush took care of the surplus, not paying down
the debt but disbursing it to the 10%.Please consider reading your
childs Civics book as a refresher, like me it's been a long time since HS.
I am so sick and tired of hearing all of the time that everything that goes
wrong in Washington is Bushes fault. Come on people he has not been the
President for five years almost six. Obama can never take blame on anything.
That is how a child reacts not an adult. I am so mad at every single person back
there in Washington and it starts with Obama on down.Reid Pelosi are the worst
and for the first time I saw Bohner have some guts to do something even though
he caved in at the end. So let me be clear here. Our Country is in great trouble
and for those who want to keep blinders on then just do that. Those of us who
want to see things happen will start to be more vocal about how we feel. I am
not a Tea Party person, a Democrat or a Republican I am a citizen of the
greatest Country in the World and I want to keep it that way. So I just want it
to be clear I feel we need to fire every single one back there and start all
Mike in SandyEsquireDave 4197'Please explain how
the shut down is Lee's fault. What did he do? He is just one dude in the
senate. How did he control the whole government?Reid, Obama, Boehner
have the power. How is it Lee's fault?
@one old man--Talk is cheap. Give some examples of what the previous
administration left for Obama to spend our money on.Give some
examples of how Obama has worked to reverse the damage made by George Bush.Let's blame George Bush for the over forty percent increase in
debt, in the passed five years.Man up and give some facts.
I have news for Barry - The "damage" he speaks of here was
done BEFORE any government shutdown. And HE KNOWS IT. This is nothing more than
a feeble attempt at shifting the blame to anyone but him. He is the master of
deception. Worst President in American history.
Esquire "The people effectively ratified it in the 2012 election
by re-electing the President." The people also voted for the House to
oppose Obama. Funny how you ignored that.(Obama is the first president in
history to win re-election with FEWER votes than he had the first time and
Romney lost because he could not inspire his base that he would repeal
Obamacare)BTW funding for the Vietnam war was "settled law"
too. Liberals didn't care, they protested vigorously - and they look
spectacularly hypocritical now when they complain that conservatives are acting
mean, when in fact conservative are acting more civil than liberals ever have.
It must be very annoying for the left to have the right assume they get to play
by the same rules.
WRK - pure nonsense. But that's okay, huh?
DN sub 2Defense spending should be cut in half. Then start talking about
changes needed in social programs. But defense needs a haircut now, 60 years
after WWII ended, 30 years after the cold war ended. Exit bases in Europe,
Okinawa, that were set up to guard against enemies who are now our allies. End
silos here that aim nuclear tipped missiles at Russia. Reduce our submarines
similarly expensively maintaining nuclear tipped missiles aimed at Russia.Time to cut the military industrial complex in half, without taking an extra
breath.Your post says $793B for medicare / medicaid, I'll have you
know that I paid for medicare so it's coming from my pocket, and medicare /
medicaid helps real people with people problems. In your post you say $701B for
social security, ditto. In your post you say $689B for defense (this year, from
my current taxes), that is for bullets that go into bodies that end up dead or
disabled, a terrible wasted expense. In our guns and butter economy, time to
cut the guns 50%, and we could cut more.I've more ideas if
you've got the time and the DN allows.
To all Obama supportersSo what I have read here so far is that it is
Congress' fault and still President Bush's fault.So my
question is this. Who's fault will it be when the next failure
takes place?Who's fault will it be when Americans who did not
get the more expensive health insurance are penalized and hit with this penalty
on their taxes? Now, all of you have been saying that Obama Care / Affordable
Health Care Act is to help the less fortunate. I would have to assume that
those who did not have health care before are not going to have it now, because
it is just as expensive and or more expensive. If they choose the penalty which
they will get? What makes you think they are going to pay that when they
can't afford the health care to begin with?So who foots that
bill? And who's fault will it be then? Seriously, how can you
not see that Obama and his cronies are not the answer. More problems since he
was elected. Who's fault? Nobody else's but his. Own It!
Everyone wants to lay blame on the other side, but there is enough to go around.
Those that point out that Congress passes the budget are correct. Pursuant to
Article 1 of the Constitution, the budget starts in the House. But it is
negotiated, used lightly, between the two political parties in both the House
and the Senate. The President is also included in these negotiations, he has
veto powers. The results of all this is that the 3 parties involved are working
from idealistic positions and not from reality. And the results are that unless
the President gets his way, he will veto the budget bill.In this
last budget mess, they all gathered together a couple of times, and they all
came out standing on the same positions they went in with. Sen. Reid, along
with the President, have refused to work with the GOP on any budget issues. It
is either their way or no way. Obama, unconstitutionally, gave big business a
one year delay in having to meet ACA requirements. The GOP said, the second
time around, let's delay it all for 1 year. Both Reid and Obama refused.
But it sure seemed fair.
The problem is mainly in Texas and this State. The extremists need to be ousted
from both parties. There should be a Constitutional Amendment to punish
congressman who use a shutdown to attempt to force the enactment of legislation.
That way if they fail, they are immediately impeached.
BO bemoans the senseless damageThen he should not have inflicted it in the
first place.Why does the article lie? It calls obamacare a health
care law – it is not. It is an insurance law.Moderate,Had BO and the dems accepted the repub budget, there would be no funding for
obamacare. Why are you telling untruths?Old man, atl134BO had
every opportunity to reduce spending, not just increase it by less. Any
reduction in spending has been forced on him by prior fiscal cliffsBungalow – Mike in SandyDebt run up by bush in 96 months - $4.9
trillionTime it took BO to run up $4.9 trillion – 38 months You say the repubs are more fiscally irresponsible? Really??Mike
in SandyI continue to be amazed at the narrow minded tunnel vision offered
by the left. Today’s misadministration is still showing itself headed by
an improvident lack-wit. Esquire,S&P said the damage was
$24B. YOU assigned blame. The GOP voted to keep the government open, dems
voted to shut it. dem responsibilityDave4197,Stopping
discussion, stopping progress, stopping listening – BO’s pledge not
to negotiate, right?
@ WRK, Obama did not "put out the law". He signed a law passed by both
Houses of Congress. The law was challenged and upheld by the U.S. Supreme
Court. The people effectively ratified it in the 2012 election by re-electing
the President. The President's duty is to execute the laws passed by
Congress. Mike Lee's duty is to propose legislation and try to get it
approved by Congress, which will happen if it has enough support or merit. He
has done none of this. Instead, he is interfering with the Constitutional duty
of the President by stopping the entire government. Lee and his ilk have had
over three years to move legislation. That is plenty of time to propose
constructive changes and get them passed. This is the way government is
supposed to work, not by thuggery, extortion, threats and similar tactics
followed by jack-booted Tea Partiers who somehow fooled voters into sending them
I just heard that our fallen soldiers were not being returned home during the
shutdown! Funeral homes are starting to expedite the backlog today.
Re: ". . . showing such disdain and contempt for our system reminds me more
of early 1930's Germany rather than a modern, mature democracy."You're clearly talking about the Obama regime.They're the ones that don't care what our Constitution or laws say
-- they'll just blithely skip on down the road toward socialism, not
because it's legal, but because they believe they can get away with it.Passing oppressive, unpopular laws they then won't enforce against
cronies and major campaign contributors, but which they use as the basis for
admittedly false promises of future nirvanas to buy off new low-information
voters. Refusing their clear duty to enforce ANY law that might offend or
alienate an important constituency. Subverting, and using its thoroughly
politicized Department of Justice, to oppose the will of the people at every
turn. Using unreasonable and unconstitutional executive-branch rulemaking as an
illegal intrusion, evasion, and takeover of legislative branch prerogative.All these, and more, show the Obama regime's clear, unabashed
admiration for early-30's Germany.And, even more clearly, 1917
Re: "Let's RECALL SEN LEE now."Yeah, let's do
that. Because he had the unmitigated gall to stand up to Democrat party
bosses' anointed one, and to Congressional tax-and-spend liberals. He is
such a rube, he insists on representing the clear will of Americans,
particularly those that elected him.And, of course, he ran the
serious risk of that worst-of-all Washington fates -- being dropped from all the
best cocktail-party invitation lists, and being labeled un-collegial by
disingenuous party bosses of both political stripe!How can he
possibly live with himself after choosing what's best for America and his
constituents, over what's best for inside-the-beltway Washington elites?As our other senator apparently did.
Ha! "$24 billion" couldn't begin to put a dent in what the
so-called AFFORDABLE Care Act is going to cost the American taxpayer. Stay
"Esquire" But, this country is being put in SHACKLES by the people who
Those like Esquire that forget how our three legged government system works
astound me. It is Mike Lee's job to question a law that was put out by the
president. It is called checks and balances folks, it's how our form of
Lost count now of how many times the Conservative Republicans thought they had
their way and President Obama "would be finished, impeached, ruined".Lost count of how many times this has not happened :)
Look in the mirror, sir, the lack of leadership and refusal to negotiate lies
directly at the door of the White House.
Bungalow's criticism of Defense spending relative to other countries is
something which could be debated. It would be best to wait until those waging
war against us (their choice, not ours) cease.However, Defense
spending has been steadily declining. The largest items in the federal spending
(2010):Medicare and Medicaid- 23% or $793 billionSocial
Security- 20% or $701 billionDefense- 20% or $689 billionInterest on
the debt- 6% or $197 billion (at a time of record low interest rates, but when
inflation or skepticism force rates to 1980 levels, this will exceed any of the
above categories!)As a percentage of GDP, defense spending in 1963
was 9%, but now it is 4%.As a percentage of GDP, mandatory spending on
entitlements and interest in 1963 was 6.1% but now it is 14.5%.Defense is not the cause of our unsustainable debt, "free stuff" to
buy votes from low information voters is the problem. And, people who refuse to
admit we are out of money and cannot continue to borrow and spend, or even tax
The Tea Party deserves an award for being the "biggest loser" in this
congress. Of course they don't realize this. But they've lost a lot
of political weight since they've been in this congress. A force for
stopping progress, stopping discussion, stopping listening. They deserve an
award for being the "biggest loser". The sooner they're unelected
the better for all. Let's RECALL SEN LEE, let's not wait for his next
election, let's boot him out before he tries to do more damage to civil
debate in the congress. We can have differences, we do still have differences,
about problems and how to solve them, but Sen Lee and his tea party cohorts
stunk up the place, poisoned the water, and there may be less chance now that
both parties will work well together to tackle change in our spending
priorities. And we do have spending problems. But Sen Lee did not help with
his blocking and cliff's edge extortion tactics. Let's RECALL SEN LEE
All the right wingers here who want to blame Obama - ridiculous. THe
conservatives, led by our own Mike Lee, just cause $24 Billion in damage to the
U.S. economy according to S&P. FOr what? Their utter disrespect for the
Constitution and our system of government. These people are bullies and thugs -
nothing more. I am sick and tired of the coutnry being held hostage by people
who lost the election (twice). If they can their their person elected, then
they can propose their policies. There is an orderly process in our system, and
showing such disdain and contempt for our system reminds me more of early
1930's Germany rather than a modern, mature democracy.
So...IF the posters here are to be given any ounce of credibility then we would
surmise that President Obama is only spending what congress has authorized but
it really is all President Bush's fault that President Obama has to spend
so much because President Obama has introduced new spending far less than
President Bush that only congress can approve.The logical gymnastics
required to follow liberal thought process is astounding!" The
President clearly stated this morning that he was willing to get advice from
everyone to help boost the ecomony, get jobs, immigration, farm bill, budget,
and so on. " You did notice that his lips were moving right?
OK. How about his hiring of 32 "czars"? Were they approved by
Congress? Can anyone tell me how much of OUR tax money HE spends on them
including all the staff they require and all of the perks they get? Please.
Can anyone tell me?
Bush was the poster boy for reckless spending.Today's administration
is still battling the fallout from that improvident lack-wit.
There are holocaust deniers (Ahmadinejad -- did I spell that right?)There
are climate change deniers -- some we know because they post here.There
are deficit deniers -- "We will just keep on going as we are doing and we
need to keep borrowing money to keep up our prosperity."The
Republicans have exhibited a double standard. But the Dems first impulse is to
promise to spend.Neither side wants to be the first to say, "Hey
we should raise the retirement age." Or "It is criminal to tax the
working poor and then turn around and give the money to well to-do seniors. We
should means test for SSI."I think that the Republicans would
like to propose means testing, but as soon as they do the Dems are going to
demagogue them over it. ("Throwing granny off of a cliff.") And it
will work. So they don't do anything until, one day, in the not too
distant future, Chinese banks are going to wake up and go, "Wait a second,
are we going to get paid back?" And then granny will be thrown off cliff,
as well as veterans, soldiers, the poor, college students, future generations,
I continue to be amazed at the narrow-minded tunnel-vision offered up by the
How quickly he forgets or ignores the "senseless damage" his IRS folks
did to the opposing party in the last election. Go figure.
"Gov't open again, Obama bemoans senseless damage"-----------------Yes, bemoan if you will Mr. Obama, but you and
your administration did and do bear large large responsibility for the
"senseless damage".To those who rightly point out that it is
Congress who holds the purse strings and is and has been largely responsible for
the incredible deficits we've been having in the last decade or so, and
stupendous $17 **trillion** (yes, that's with a "T") debt
we're now on the hook for, AND, the almost unimaginable TRUE debt (the more
than 100 **trillion** in unfunded liabilities most people ignore) that is about
to land on us all like a ton of bricks, I say, I agree.I will add
that it is the **President** who presides over the entire mess and who, at least
since Truman, has been considered the one at whose office the buck of
responsibility stops.And, that of all the presidents since Truman,
it is surely Obama who has sought most to evade responsibility for any setbacks
and eagerly, rapaciously, accepted responsibility for anything he found
favorable to voters.Finally, I will point out that it is WE, the
electorate, who are, ultimately, responsible.
Obama likes to spend money that is not his, and why not? He's been doing
that his whole life. Ohhh, Bummer!
Mike Lee and Ted Cruz are paving the way, and rolling out the red carpet for our
next president...Hillary Clinton.
patriotideologues don't negotiate, therefore barry is doing what one
Obama's approval numbers according to a recent A.P. poll= 37% Is that the
damage he is talking about?
senseless damage? You mean refusing to talk for 3 three weeks? That senseless
damage? A 'real' president knows how to negotiate. Barack has never
managed anything in his life - just a college professor and a year in congress
voting present. Negotiate? Is that where the other side does EXACTLY everything
I say? No Barack that is NOT negotiating. That is called conforming and that my
friends is EXACTLY what a demagogue like Barack expects. Kennedy
negotiatedJohnson negotiatedNixon negotiatedFord negotiatedCarter negotiatedReagan negotiated Bush I negotiatedClinton
negotiatedBush II negotiated Obama does NOT negotiateSee the patterns here? See the problems? Government does NOT work when the
White House lives in another world and refuses to negotiate.
How long will we hear that this is all Bush's fault? One old man sugests
that everything is Bush's fault and that Obama holds not blame for
anything. Even when Obama has done more to take away our constitutional rights
than any other president.
"It is Obama's reckless debt spending"A great line if
the intention is to whip the base into a frenzy.However, please
point to a couple of $dollars$ that Obama has spent that was not approved by
congress.Yes, we spend too much, but if one looks at the facts the
blame cannot be put on Obama.
@DN Subscriber 2Obama's reckless spending? Congress is the one that
passes budgets. Any need to increase the debt ceiling is because Congress made
it that way (even the Ryan budget would necessitate a 5 trillion debt increase
over a decade).
Subscriber, you really, really, really do need to do some research and learn the
truth.How much of "Obama's spending" is money that must
be spent as a result of laws and obligations passed under previous
administrations -- particularly that last one?If you will make an
honest attempt to learn the truth, you will amaze yourself.NEW
spending initiated by Obama and his administration is the lowest in over 50
years. What you are bemoaning is NOT Obama spending, but left over BUSH
Re: "Obama bemoans senseless damage"As well he should -- he
inflicted it. Made it worse at every opportunity. And prolonged it as long as
possible.Knowing all the while that the media would cover for him --
is did NPR's Morning Sedition today, in one of many sickening displays of
fawning, sycophantic partisanship.
DN Subscriber 2 "It is Obama's reckless debt spending,"In
ending the shutdown, the President and Democrat-led Senate accepted the
Republican Budget. Obama is spending money as directed by Republicans.
You simply cannot believe a word this man says. His only goal is personal
power, and much of what he says is demonstrably false, or contradicted by his
own actions within days. He bears equal responsibility for the "senseless
damage" along with his Democrat cronies in the Senate and House, and the
befuddled Republicans.It is Obama's reckless debt spending,
which is already nearly equal to the entire debt run up by all previous
presidents COMBINED which is the worst problem facing us. But he refuses to
even consider any reduction in spending (except cutting national defense.)Regardless, we will do this same kabuki theater all over in a few weeks
when we once again run out of money to fund government operations, and need to
borrow more money (assuming the Chinese are foolish enough to lend to us).
Obama will demonize and demagogue the Republicans who demand timid changes, to
be totally rebuffed until the last minute when they will cave. Again.