Obama signs bill to avert default, open government

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  • InspectorC Wasatch Front, UT
    Oct. 19, 2013 5:08 a.m.

    For those federal employees who did NOT work ("non-essential") during the shutdown, their backpay had better come out of THEIR OWN Personal-Leave account ("paid vacation time")!

    If they did NOT work during the shutdown, then that needs to be accounted as paid-vacation time, and pull their back-pay out of their PPL (or whatever the government calls accrued vacation time).

    If not.... then hundreds of millions of hard working (and voting) Americans are going to be all-the-more disenchanted with how our government is run!

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 18, 2013 8:18 a.m.

    I really don't know! Will someone please explain?

    If our country, with its seventeen trillion dollar debt,--were to default. What would happen? Do we foreclose,-and what would that be like? Do we lose our properties?

    Obama says we can't pay our bills without raising the ceiling. Will the day come, when we can't raise the ceiling any more?

  • rfpeterlin Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 18, 2013 5:16 a.m.

    A sure fire way to assess whether or not the populace trusts the Gov't is their willingness to take up arms and make the ultimate sacrifice. The last time that happened, it was in response to an oppressive regime that was overtaxing and not responding to the electorate and actually defined our nation. This has happened three times in our history, the first one was in Concord, MA, the next was in the Berkshires and most recently was in Fort Sumter. The only thing keeping revolution at bay, right now, is that the populace has been doped into submission ... but there is a growing segment of society that has had it with all of the monkey business and fear mongering to keep us in our places.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 17, 2013 8:09 p.m.

    Once again, Obama is the anointed savior.

  • My house was stolen Roy , UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 5:11 p.m.

    President Obama is the best President we have had since Reagan. He stood his ground and I commend him. This was all about a law AHC. A law that was properly made and then challenged by the obstructionist Republican Party in the Supreme Court and then upheld. Even though our President was elected by a clear majority there is still hate coming from the God party towards him. Some of the very right extremists who claim to be Christian have not been acting like Christians. Then the same Senators that created the shutdown over this law led a protest at the Vetrans memorialand that protest took down the barriers in violation of the law. If it was anyone else they would have been arrested. It seems as there is no longer Liberty and Justice for all but Liberty and Justice for some. America is hurting folks.

  • Justmythoughts Provo, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 4:59 p.m.

    So sick of all the shut down sob stories....and endless blame stories. I couldn't care less....if I cared any less I would care backwards.

  • Clifton Palmer McLendon Gilmer, Texas
    Oct. 17, 2013 12:24 p.m.

    We are repeatedly counseled to live within our means.

    My State of residence (Texas) does exactly that, without inflicting an income tax on its residents.

    It is high time we elected Federal officials and forced them to do the same.

  • suzyk#1 Mount Pleasant, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 12:19 p.m.

    Does Obama think he is a hero now? He's dragged everything out to the very end. In order for the American people to have respect and recognize him as a decent man he has to show that he is and so far he is dwindling in our estimation. Our country deserves better and hopefully soon we will get that.

  • ute alumni paradise, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 11:50 a.m.

    some ought to stick with poetry as they know nothing about reality

  • Springvillepoet Springville, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 10:57 a.m.


    But it is not a business. A government cannot, nor should not be run like a business. A business has a profit margin to think about, and a government, if run properly has the welfare, safety, liberty, and property of the people in mind. Conservatives and Liberals have and always will argue over how best a government should be run in order to meet the needs of its people, but that is counter to how a business should be operated. People are not products, they are not assembled or manufactured, and they are not customers. Further, concepts like democracy and liberty cannot be treated as marketable products.

    A government, if it is going to work, cannot operate like a business. It cannot be concerned with the trivialities of a business. It must operate independently from the constraints of a single, myopic philosophy, providing access to rights to all its citizenry. Yes, too much debt is bad, and taxes, like Oliver Wendell Holmes said, are the price one pays for living in a civilized society. However, the analogy of government as business is not a goo or proper one.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 10:55 a.m.

    Do either political party have ANY relevence whatsoever anymore? (besides tacking on more "pork")to every piece of legislation that comes from Mr. Reid or Obama.

    As near as I can tell the whole Congress may as well be put on furlough. Its' Obama and Reid who unequivacably control the government. All the rest of the "players" (with a very few exceptions) merely act as a cheerleading squad.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 10:55 a.m.


    "...I like how low the approval rating is for congress, but next election we will probably elect over 90% of them back into congress again. We as citizens like to forget the past and relect the same old people...".


    Electing the same people over and over and over...(electing/re-electing the same person 6 times ring a bell for anyone?) and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity.

    The solution(s) is(are) available, for Americans to end this madness...yet for some reason Americans do not have the will to solve the problem...


  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 10:42 a.m.

    Senators are supposed to have vision.
    Cruz and Lee have tunnel vision.

  • Brent T. Aurora CO Aurora, CO
    Oct. 17, 2013 10:33 a.m.

    We were meant to be separate, sovereign states -- United. Not one big federally controlled and FUNDED mass. One thing that happened, temporarily anyway, with this shut down is that the states, as they should, took over funding of national parks. One thing that happens now, that shouldn't, is that the federal government is supposed to bail out Colorado (where I live btw) from flood damage versus the other states (if they wanted to) offering assistance.

    Here is the heart of the matter. People expect the federal government to pay for everything, stick their fingers in any affair and to provide the over arching decision to every consideration. Problem is those bottomless pockets upon which we all rely, who simply just declare their own credit increase -- is us.

    The recent shut down hurt because -- we're bloated and spending what we don't have for everyone's favorite industry or cause. It needs to come to a crashing halt! So we can pick-up the pieces, re-set our priorities within our budget and set out to pay our debt off rather than infinitely increase it.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 9:59 a.m.

    If the government of the United States were a business - it would be long out of business. Gigantic debt - unfathomed waste and abuse - no balanced books or budget - horribly inefficient in all its branches and it just gets worse every passing month and year with NO END in sight. As for the CEO - he would have been run out of town on a rail for driving the stock of the corporation into the ground. The sorry thing about this budget is - it will all have to be revisited after the first of the year with the same stupid partisan politics being played. Harry and Barack setting in corner with their marble bag refusing to play with the other kids and their lap dog media belching out the smoke screens.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Oct. 17, 2013 9:54 a.m.

    Thing haven't changed much in America. Go back 250 years ago when King George (Barrack) demanded more taxes, more submission and more control over people's lives. The freedom loving patriots in America said no! Other than a few names and faces, what's changed in America? Big government wants more control, more money and more power and the true patriots want self government. Different times, same struggle for freedom! Sadly the majority of greedy Americans have traded freedom for entitlements which the rest of us have no hope of paying for. We just added another trillion to the national debt ceiling and the King (Obama) said, "its not new debt". Makes me feel better doesn't it you?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 9:33 a.m.

    Look, the debt ceiling only has to be increased because Congress keeps authorizing the spending. Don't mess with the full faith and credit of the US. If you want to force spending cuts then there's one simple solution... don't pass them in the first place. Incidentally they did both last night since they ended the shutdown too. Even with the Paul Ryan budget we'd have had to raise the debt ceiling by 5-6 trillion over 10 years.

  • TA1 Alexandria, VA
    Oct. 17, 2013 9:28 a.m.

    It never ceases to amaze me that the Tea Party Republicans continue to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. They have damaged the Republican brand beyond repair and will likely not live to fight another day. Ladies and Gentlemen - in case you forgot - it is winning the war, not a single battle that counts - but I guess that is too "old school".

  • sid 6.7 Holladay, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 9:19 a.m.

    Thank goodness idiocy was pushed aside until January 15th at least. I wonder what will happen then? It's a shame that our country has to suffer this embarrassment at the hands of few who's hatred for our President is so transparent that they would risk the fate of our country just to say "I told you so". My Lord in Heaven what have we become?

    Even back in 2008 having the Republicans/Tea Partiers stand up and demand a reduction in National Debt and claiming it was for future generations was and is like watching your house burn down and then calling the Fire Department. The damage is done folks.

    We need leaders who are less worried about who someone marries and more worried about facing and fixing the difficult issues this country faces. You want the Government to shut down? You want anarchy? When our Government fails you think you can defend your home on an advancing army with the guns you have in your basement? The blood is in the water folks and the other countries can smell it.

    Be careful what you wish for Tea Partiers and Some Republicans you might just get it!

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 8:51 a.m.

    Once the system collapses. This is a possible result. We all know that the democrats, liberals, the left or whatever you want to call those that desire to destroy this nation; would like to fill the "vacuum" with their ideologues and gain absolute power. You have "middle America" that will be ticked off, confused and poor. Then you have us Tea Party members that will stand for liberty and push to take this country back. Which though it will be tough. However, we don't need to go to the courts and fight our case with an activists judge. We don't have to talk to corrupt leaders. We won't have to try and reason with those who refuse to take care of themselves.

    When it becomes every man for himself. I have greater faith that the Tea Party will rise to the top.

    That's what has happened time and time again in the history of the world.

    That's right barack. The Tea Party is on the right side of history.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 8:40 a.m.

    Glad he is not controlled by the tea party.

  • Brent T. Aurora CO Aurora, CO
    Oct. 17, 2013 8:40 a.m.

    Very disappointing. Had hoped we'd have the intestinal fortitude as a nation to see this through to a complete default/reboot of our government... instead we chickened out and issued the government another credit card. We are fools.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Oct. 17, 2013 8:32 a.m.

    Yes, what a victory for the Democrats! More free money for everyone in government! What's another trillion dollars debt every year to them? There are no consequences if you have a money printing press, right? Be irresponsible and spend, spend, spend, tax, tax, there are no consequences are there?

  • Shimlau SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 8:15 a.m.

    I've read through the article and all of the comments, and what I see is relief that the inevitable has been postponed. However, it is still inevitable, and to paraphrase liberal ted; "Welcome to the Titanic, have another drink" not just the wealthy, but all of us will sink!

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Oct. 17, 2013 8:15 a.m.

    "As the deal neared final passage in the House Wednesday, Obama said it was now time for leaders in Washington to win back the trust of Americans that was lost during the debt-and-spending crisis."

    "Trust"? NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. Except for 20 or 30 fiscally responsible individuals (Mr. Cruz and his ilk), the rest of Washington are self-interested hucksters.

    Unless we cut about HALF the Federal spending, all is lost. That is the only way we reverse the National Debt. That is the only way we allow our free market economy to thrive. That is the only way we can afford to continue to lead the world.

    Again, NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. We are circling the drain. See y'all in the pipes.

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    Oct. 17, 2013 8:15 a.m.

    The knife has been stuck in the Tea Party. It is a self inflicted wound. Now, Tea Party, why don't you just keep twisting it in 2014?

    I have to remind you all the time that much of the deficit and a whole lot of the national debt is due to Republican malfeasance leading to two unfunded wars. a tax cut that mostly benefited the wealthy, and a drug benefit package that was never paid for, not to mention Republican sponsored deregulation that created the basis for a financial disaster in 2008 that continues to this day. Do you really think that shutting down the government is going to help that?

  • RSLfanalways West Valley, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 8:14 a.m.

    I like how low the approval rating is for congress, but next election we will probably elect over 90% of them back into congress again. We as citizens like to forget the past and relect the same old people like our senator Hatch. But atleast we know that next election Hillary Clinton will win since the Tea Party help weaken the republicans. Thank you Tea Party members.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 7:59 a.m.

    The republicans are eagerly and enthusiastically paving the way and rolling out the red carpet for our next President, Hillary Clinton.

  • Bob A. Bohey Marlborough, MA
    Oct. 17, 2013 7:47 a.m.

    If the reasonable people of this country let them, the GOP and their ideologues will destroy this great and secular representative republic. Fortunately, the GOP and their ideologues are going the way of the dinosaurs and the sooner the better.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 7:34 a.m.

    @ Schwa South Jordan, UT

    You said, "knew the Republicans had zero chance of winning this battle. It baffles me that they even attempted it, knowing it was a lost cause, and knowing the damage it would cause."

    I can't believe we keep borrowing money we cannot repay. Do you know the damage that will cause? I suppose a collapse of our financial system means little to you....

    The same thing was said when a small group of people stood up to the motherland and the most powerful military and navy at the time. A few years later a new nation was born where people had liberty and freedom. Which the socialists and left wing of the country have slowly eroded along with others, until we are slaves to our master "debt" and usury.

    Good job! Hope and change! Anything to get that golden egg, even if you have to kill the hen to get it.

  • Bruce A. Frank San Jose, CA
    Oct. 17, 2013 7:32 a.m.

    There was never any chance of default, unless Obama decided to pull another "make things as painful as possible," defy the LAW and somehow block the required distribution and debt service payments using the billions of week to week tax money that continuously rolls in.

    Obama will now continue his Imperial Presidency, with virtually no opposition, spending more money and refusing to control spending.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 7:29 a.m.

    Hurray! We are SAVED!!

    We're still borrowing money at a rate that we can't pay it back. We still haven't balanced the budget. WE have raised taxes, but, haven't made any cuts.

    It's just like having the captain of the Titanic announce "open bar" while the boat is sinking. "Just stay on the ship a little longer, while we get the wealthy off of the boat first...."

  • TeaPublican Houston, TX
    Oct. 17, 2013 7:25 a.m.

    I tell you right now....if that guy Obama and his liberal socialist followers don't agree to cut, cut and cut some more on Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, farm programs and all the other welfare programs....and NOT raise taxes one single cent on our job creators....if they don't agree to do those things in order to save OUR America...in just a few short months we TeaPublicans WILL shut down the government and we WILL force a government default on paying obama's bills....and we will NOT back down the next time! You have been given fair warning....make those cuts TEaPublicans are demanding....or America and the whole world will suffer because of your lack of courage! Yes folks, we TeaPublicans ARE taking back OUR America in 2014 n 2016. "P n P" in 2016.....Perry n Palin....yes folks it IS going to happen!

  • David Centerville, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 6:51 a.m.

    It may be difficult to win back the trust and support of the American people if the federal government continues spending at unsustainable levels.

    I don't understand where and how the complacency has set in. I can understand past decades of deficit spending...we were naive and ignorant. But $17 trillion, and $70 Trillion including unfunded liabilities, is unthinkable.

    We are on course to spend nearly $400 billion in interest payments alone. What would have, what will happen, when interest rates increase? How will we be able to pay $1 Trillion in interest?

    We need adults to represent us in the White House and Congress. We need people who will go to DC and pass a budget (hasn't been done in 4 years), and more specifically a budget that balances/doesn't borrow more money. This will require cuts to programs: entitlement programs and defense spending. It must be done.

    Then we must begin paying down our debt so it doesn't enslave future generations.

    Anything short of this is "unpatriotic", in the words of Senator Barack Obama.

  • postaledith Freeland, WA
    Oct. 17, 2013 6:20 a.m.

    I am so proud of President Obama. He stood his ground and did not cave to the tea party. I know he did it for the good of our country. The tea party showed their true colors of how dysfunctional they are. Hopefully we can recover from the damage they did and get back on the right track.

  • southmtnman Provo, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 6:07 a.m.


  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 1:47 a.m.

    Certainly worth slipping in that 3 billion to a Kentucky project (hmm, I wonder which senator wanted that) and also added in McConnell's debt ceiling trick. You see, apparently they passed something in this deal where the next time they want to increase the debt ceiling they'd have to vote to NOT do it instead of voting to do it. Obama can then veto it and unless they can override it the next debt ceiling increase goes into effect.

  • Schwa South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 17, 2013 12:21 a.m.

    Anyone with the smallest amount of civics knowledge and experience with our modern political system knew the Republicans had zero chance of winning this battle. It baffles me that they even attempted it, knowing it was a lost cause, and knowing the damage it would cause.

    Their naivety and hubris will be punished in the 2014 midterm elections.

  • Social Mod Fiscal Con West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 16, 2013 11:22 p.m.

    So, back to business as usual. Spend money we don't have and borrow like there is no limit.

    All this does is embolden His Majesty and give him the political clout to do anything he wants.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 16, 2013 11:15 p.m.

    Tomorrow, Thursday, had the potential to be a very bad day. I had half prepared myself to watch my RSP's tank, resisting the paranoid view that it need be turned into a few small bits of gold. I wondered if my AF home was going to be worth eight dollars by the end of the week. I'm out of the country right now but was ready by noon today to transfer as much as I could out of the US banking system and get ahold of a bunch of cash. US cash; I don't think there was going to be a problem with getting Canadian dollars. I'm not sure it was all the right thing to do but I do know this; this isn't how to run the railroad. We've got to do better than these childish antics. We dodged the proverbial bullet here, but only by kicking the metaphorical can down the road. This exercise looms yet again in our future. Have we learned anything today?