Government's glitchy rollout of insurance exchange compounded by scams, misleading sites

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  • Bob K porland, OR
    Oct. 15, 2013 3:33 a.m.

    Most of what I read in these comments -- even if I filter out those hateful to the President and Democrats -- is different than I read anywhere else.

    It seems obvious that if the websites are crashing, either people are interested, or bad people are hogging them to make the ACA look bad. Of course, the ACA is not perfect, but NO effort is going into improving it, because one side has swallowed the lobbying of rich healthcare industry interests.

    The headline, and especially the headline on the DN front page, seem written to cater to those who are against this President.

    I keep mentioning that Nixon or Reagan ought to have solved this -- the Clintons got snowed under trying to do it 20 years ago. Just look at the ridiculous amount of TV ads promoting prescription drugs to get an idea how the rich interests hate changing our extremely overpriced healthcare system.

    And can we mention that the lds church members who post here might be thinking of the poor people who, lacking affordable care, call expensive emergency services, bankrupting cities?

  • yankees27 Heber, Utah
    Oct. 14, 2013 9:43 p.m.

    Moderate_ You're kidding right? The other version is letting the free market work. We do not need government to issue us health care. Especially a program with the flaws that Obamacare reportedly has. Of course, we may never know, because it was shoved through and passed without any kind of real debate. Just a power hungry prez that wanted his name on something.

    Something to think about- It isn't fact that the sites crashed because people were clamoring to sign up, but rather check it out after so much press time. I tried to get on to see if I could finally afford insurance. I like many others just don't have an extra 1000-1200 a month in my budget. I'm self employed and don't qualify for any assistance programs, as I make just enough to be over the line, but I don't make near enough to pay for the outrageous premiums. When I finally did get online, imagine my surprise to see that now with ACA, I will be required to pay 15% more than I couldn't already afford. What a bargain! Thanks Obama, another broken promise!

  • Pac_Man Pittsburgh, PA
    Oct. 14, 2013 3:07 p.m.

    The larger issue is that the Affordable Care Act has not made health insurance affordable for many tens of millions of Americans apart from expanding Medicaid eligibility. Doesn't that just cover the children?

    Those who passed this bill assumed that people did not buy insurance is because they could wait until disaster strikes while their bank account balance increases from money that would have gone to premiums. There other answer? Stick them with a penalty.

    Furthermore, why does the news only tout the ACA success stories of those in the twenty-something cohort. Of course, insurance premiums are cheaper. They were cheaper BEFORE Obamacare went into effect.

  • RSLfanalways West Valley, UT
    Oct. 14, 2013 3:04 p.m.

    If I was a Democrat I would be thanking Lee, Cruz and Hatch for making the republican's look extreme and ignorant. Republican’s just shot them the next election. Here comes President Hillary Clinton.

  • mattrick78 Cedar City, UT
    Oct. 14, 2013 2:42 p.m.

    @Something to think about

    There is a lot of interest, but I think a lot of people like me want to comparison shop. Unfortunately a lot of people like me can't do that. I am sure they will work out the glitches eventually, but as a person who works in IT and has extensive experience in releasing software this is simply unacceptable...even for government. They should do more than say the site is down.

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 14, 2013 2:32 p.m.

    @mainly me

    So what exactly do you hope to accomplish by referring to the President as "dear leader?" Ir does nothing but undermine your arguments.

  • ute alumni paradise, UT
    Oct. 14, 2013 2:09 p.m.

    the real scam is yomamacare

  • Something to think about Ogden, UT
    Oct. 14, 2013 2:04 p.m.

    Problems associated with the launch were, in part, due to the massive volume of people trying to sign up.

    Let's not forget that fact!

  • RSLfanalways West Valley, UT
    Oct. 14, 2013 2:00 p.m.

    I have no doubt that Mike Lee and Hatch have helped ruin the Republican Party. Now that there is dissent in the Republican Party it gives Democrats a stronger hand, so we can thank Lee and Hatch for that. But that is what we get when we re-elect or elect tea party members.

  • mattrick78 Cedar City, UT
    Oct. 14, 2013 1:51 p.m.

    This launch went up like a North Korean rocket.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 14, 2013 1:13 p.m.

    Well I guess we could switch to the Republican alternative.

    Oh, right.

    There isn't one.

  • Jared NotInMiami, FL
    Oct. 14, 2013 1:01 p.m.

    Not sure where the rest of my comment went but almost 50% of those earning less than $40k/year identify as Democrats versus about 15% as Republicans (at least that was true in 2009). While Southern states tend to vote Republican (in national elections, local elections are a completely different matter), it's not the poor and the minorities in those states who are voting Republican.

    Tea Party voters don't like the ACA because it's a terribly-written and terribly-implemented law (and greatly increases the size and reach of the federal government). Remember, it was passed without any Republican support. It was crammed through Congress and signed by the President without time for anyone to read the whole thing and properly discuss it.

    It would have been far better to go to a universal/socialized system instead of passing the ACA. A true free market system would be best though (we do not have anything like a free market system currently).

  • JMHO Southern, UT
    Oct. 14, 2013 12:10 p.m.

    To RSL Fan: I think the opposite might also be true. If we postpone the required part and leave it open for shopping for this year, maybe a lot of democrats might not like it either.

  • Jared NotInMiami, FL
    Oct. 14, 2013 12:01 p.m.

    These exchanges weren't designed for the poor - the (legal) poor are already covered through Medicaid and Medicare. If the websites ever work, a lot of Republicans probably will sign up because they get taxed ("fined") if they don't (fines start out low but within a couple years become quite high).

    Let's work through RSL's argument. Southern states tend to vote Republican (True), Southern states tend to have higher poverty rates (True), Southern states tend to have higher rates of minority populations (True), minorities (other than Asian) generally are poorer than non-Hispanic white populations (True), minorities tend to vote...Democratic, not Republican.

    15% of those earning

  • Mainly Me Werribee, 00
    Oct. 14, 2013 12:01 p.m.

    Isn't it pathetic that a scamer can get his web site to work and the Dear Leader can't? It's just like the rest of his administration.

  • RSLfanalways West Valley, UT
    Oct. 14, 2013 11:02 a.m.

    Even with the all the problems that are happening to the exchange I bet that a lot of republican's will sign up for it, since you have to have insurance and it was designed for the uninsured and poor. Which if you think of the southern states that are mostly republican held have higher poverty rates. I think the tea party is afraid that a good chunk of their voters might like it.