Republicans should stop calling each other names and unite

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  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Oct. 9, 2013 7:42 a.m.

    I love this new fad for Republicans of I'm not a Republican I'm a libertarian. It's rampant through my friends and family.

    You know there are basically two ways to look at liberty (the freedom to act without restraint). One is to have liberty as your goal. Which means you eschew pretty much all restrictions and rules. This is pretty hard to do in a civilized society so what you see is ranting and raving about their favorite restrictions (taxes, business, environment etc.) and outright non conformity to restrictions they can get away with (traffic etc.). The irony is this view is so personal that they are perfectly comfortable denying others their liberty when it strikes them as appropriate.

    The second view is liberty as a means to and pillar of a just and fair society. This view accepts some restrictions as a means to a greater end. With this view one needs to be vigilant but not absolute.

    I personally believe the founding fathers saw liberty as a means to a just and fair society, not as an absolute.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Oct. 8, 2013 6:07 p.m.

    Centerville, UT

    @The Hammer, No Glenn Beck has stated he is not a republican, He is a conservative libertarian.
    9:29 a.m. Oct. 8, 2013


    Libertarians support medical marijuana, a woman's right to choose, Gay marriage, and No foreign Wars.

    Not a Republican for sure,
    but he's not a Libertarian either.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Oct. 8, 2013 4:57 p.m.

    It's an entertaining spectacle, watching the elephant eating itself.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Oct. 8, 2013 3:05 p.m.

    Paranoia will get you conservatives if you think that this conservative paper is blocking your opinions, unless they are just off subject rants against Obama which Dnews generally lets go again and again.

    The Purity needed to be in the GOP party will just help it fade faster.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Oct. 8, 2013 2:09 p.m.

    @Kent C. DeForrest;

    I'd stick them in the cellar, personally. It's cold, dank and musty.


    Would you care to guess at how many of my comments don't get posted? Civil, on topic, etc. Nope. At least the moderators get to read them. :)

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Oct. 8, 2013 12:41 p.m.

    To "Ben" the GOP is going through a crisis right now. They have Progressives that are leading the party, and don't like it when the more libertarian members do well or show that their Progressive policies are foolish.

    If the GOP wants to regain their credibility, they need to look to the libertarians that have and are winning elections against very well funded canidates. The problem is that the leadership won't do that because it isn't about winning elections, but is about the Progressive leaders retaining power over their dominions.

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    Oct. 8, 2013 12:16 p.m.

    This discussion seems almost all one way; I wonder why? Maybe it is reflected in the fact that the opinion I posted hours ago, on the other side, has not appeared. That seems to be more and more how things are done nowadays. What on earth was "wrong" with my opinion this time?

    And has anyone else noticed how difficult it often is to "like" a post - of a conservative shade. Make sure that your "likes" are recorded. Sometimes I have had to click the "like" button as many as a dozen times before it tallies my favorable response to a conservative opinion.

    My own opinion, if you haven't guessed, is that people should fight for what the believe is right and not succumb to a collective or politically correct mentality. There are some who I believe would opine that the War in Heaven should have been settled by a "compromise".

    Stand for something!!

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    Oct. 8, 2013 11:50 a.m.

    Even though I didn't vote for Lee, he is doing a good job of representing me right now. I HOPE Obama doesn't cave on Obamacare. If the country defaults, it will suffocate anyway due to lack of funding.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Oct. 8, 2013 10:23 a.m.

    Badgerbadger writes "I have yet to hear a Republican leader talk about the 'other Republicans'."

    Maybe not much from the "republican leaders" but plenty from others. Here is a short list.

    Ted Cruz, Rand Paul and Justin Amash were called "wacko birds" by John McCain.

    Ted Cruz was called a "Fraud" by Republican Peter King

    Bob Corker criticized Ted Cruz of grandstanding with his filibuster.

    "I don't think ever we've had in the Senate where we had a 21-hour filibuster and then the person carrying out the filibuster voted for the issue they were filibustering," Corker said. "I don't think that's happened in the history of our country."

    No, this is hardly a "liberal media" induced issue.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Oct. 8, 2013 10:14 a.m.

    "If there is one absolute about Republicans today it is that we are a house divided — and the inevitable result is predetermined."
    (Republican Representative Rick Crawford from AK "Will divided Republicans help implement ObamaCare?" For "The Hill")

    "A Pew Research Center survey conducted Sept. 19-22 found that 39% of Tea Partiers believe a shutdown would have a major effect on the economy compared to 60% of non-Tea Party Republicans — a difference of 21 percentage points.

    Tea Party Republicans are also far more likely than non-Tea party Republicans to say lawmakers should stand by their principles even if it means a government shutdown. About seven-in-ten (71%) Tea Partiers holds that view compared with 38% of non-Tea Party Republicans. (Over half — 54% — of non-Tea Party Republicans say lawmakers should be willing to compromise even if it’s on a budget they don’t agree with."

    "Open warfare has broken out inside the GOP between Tea Party Insurgents and the Republican Party Regulars. It revolves around tactics, more than policy. Grover Norquist recently provided an acid critique of Cruz."

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Oct. 8, 2013 9:30 a.m.

    The ones that are calling some Republicans RINOS and some Republican TEA Partiers, and saying how divided they are, would be the democrats and the media, most of it very liberal. I have yet to hear a Republican leader talk about the 'other Republicans'.

    Could it be that the big divide is the wish/imagination of the left?

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Oct. 8, 2013 9:29 a.m.

    @The Hammer, No Glenn Beck has stated he is not a republican, He is a conservative libertarian.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    Oct. 8, 2013 9:21 a.m.

    I have a better idea. Republicans should leave the GOP in droves, insisting that they will not return until the GOP leadership locks the tea party fanatics back in the attic where they belong. This is the only message that the GOP "leadership" will understand.

    "one vote" is right: you cannot unite with the tea party, not unless you become one of them. They are the Borg. Resistance is futile.

  • The Hammer lehi, utah
    Oct. 8, 2013 8:58 a.m.

    Glenn beck this morning called for defunding the GOP. Glenn beck is a RINO. He has the same goals as the democrats and that is to destroy the republican leadership and crush the GOP under his boot heel. He doesn't represent me or the conservative movement he only wants to kick people out of the republican party. he doesn't care about winning elections he only wants to have a party that agrees with him 100%.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Oct. 8, 2013 8:41 a.m.

    Did you see how fast they turned on Mitt the other day when he dared to have an opinion?

    They should start their own party of the Ultra Pure Conservative Radio Party, led by dropouts and anger.
    Then the rest of the nation can then get back to work, and they can slowly eliminate each other through impurity trials and they won't waste our time dwindling into oblivion.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 8, 2013 8:39 a.m.

    On one hand, I don't mind at all that republicans are mired in childish antics. On the other hand, it's harming our national being. We need adults to run the place again.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Oct. 8, 2013 6:15 a.m.

    Great letter Ben.

    I think the term RINO is employed on the wrong set of Republicans. It infers that a moderate Republican is not a Republican. I would label Lee and Cruz as the RINO's. They do not represent the historical Republican party.

    Reagan would surely fit today's definition of RINO
    In today's GOP, one must adhere 100% conservative principles or be labeled a RINO.

    Think Global warming is happening and is man made? - RINO
    Think your gay child should be allowed to marry - RINO
    Think taxes could be raised? RINO
    Think that Abortion should be safe, rare and legal? - RINO

    Even if you are perfectly conservative on all other issues. It only takes one.

    Can someone on the far right give me a list of 10 republicans that are not RINO's?

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 8, 2013 4:22 a.m.

    No one can unite with the tea party, they must submit.