Gov't shutdown enters 2nd week, no end in sight

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  • Ohio Guy Springboro, OH
    Oct. 7, 2013 1:56 p.m.

    Did you know that beginning in 2014 that if you are not covered by Medicare, Medicaid or a private plan you must enroll in the Affordable Care Act or pay a penalty of "the greater of" $95 or 1% of income. In 2016 the fine is increased to "the greater of" $695 or 2.5% of income. IS THIS WHAT YOU REALLY WANT??? MORE GOVERNMENT CONTROL????

    It is true that Obamacare became law and the Supreme Court upheld it as constitutional, but then Pres Obama has gone outside the law and given exemptions to some but not all. People have been laid off and hours have been cut.

    I view the shutdown as the Senate and the President's fault.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 1:47 p.m.

    The constitution requires the full faith and credit of the US to be maintained. There is enough tax revenue coming in to meet ALL debt obligations. If there is a default, it is because the current POTUS has no respect for the constitution and will spend the incoming revenues on something else.

    The repubs have voted to keep the government open. The dems voted to shut it down. Your claim of a republican shutdown is erroneous.

    Why should Boehner schedule a vote if he knows it will not pass? harry has consistently denied votes on measures he said would not pass. Where was your condemnation of harry? Of course you had none, because the dems can do no wrong, even when they do that for which you excoriate repubs. Nice double standard

    harry just needs to schedule a vote on ANY of the bills the house passed to keep the government open and BO needs to sign them.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 1:05 p.m.

    To "FatherOfFour" the GOP didn't say shut down the government then lets debate. That is what the Democrats did. The Republicans sent a bill that would have funded everything except Obamacare. The Democrats don't want to debate it eventhough about 65% of americans do not support it.

    Umm....I don't think you understand history. Obama was not re-elected by a "huge majority", he was elected on a narrow margin. Obama only had 2.7% more of the total votes than Romney. That is a small margin.

    But that is just a side track.

    The core issue still remains. If the ACA is so great, why can't the Democrats explain why we should continue with it inspite of the problems like the 25% or larger insurance increaes, the exemptions, and delays in implementation.

    Oct. 7, 2013 12:45 p.m.


    "The big question is why do you support the ACA, and why shouldn't we debate its faults."

    We had that debate. We had it in 2009, 2010, numerous times in 2011, and even had an election based primarily on Obamacare in 2012. Just because you don't like the results of that debate does not mean it didn't happen. You don't shut down the government and then say, "Let's have a debate." That is not how our government works. The president was re-elected by a huge majority. The democrats held their seats in the senate even though Obamacare was the primary topic of the election. Democrats got seven million more votes in the House than House republicans and gained seven seats. The republican party even admits that it was due to how their districts were drawn that they were even able to maintain the majority.

    Michelle Bachman (R, MN) was recently quoted as saying "We [The TEA Party] wanted the shutdown and we got exactly what we want."

    Reince Priebus, head of the RNC stated "The shutdown is what the American people want."

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 12:12 p.m.

    To "Ralph" and "Shaun" those are really lame arguments. Luckily history did not have people like you at critical times. Thanks to people protesting established laws we got rid of slavery, extended the vote to all people regardless of race or gender, obtained equal rights, and so forth.

    The big question is why do you support the ACA, and why shouldn't we debate its faults.

    Just look at the damage it has caused. It was sold as an insurance reducing plan, but has instead raised insurance prices by 25% or more. It has caused lots of people to have their hours cut back at work. If it is so great, why did exemptions have to be granted for businesses, unions, and some government employees? The law only covers 1/3 of the uninsured.

    Why support something that, according to its stated goal, has failed?

    Oct. 7, 2013 11:23 a.m.

    Imagine if the roles were reversed. We had Mitt Romney as president and a republican senate, but the democrats had a razor-thin majority in the House. The democrats then put forth a bill saying that you must ban all guns or we will shut down the government and default on our obligations that we already passed. The republicans said no, we will not ban all guns. So the democrats counter saying OK, we will only ban assault rifles and handguns, and allow abortion on demand out to the 35th week. The republicans then counter saying no, we won't do that either. At this point the democrats complain saying the republicans are not even willing to negotiate. We are completely willing to reopen the government if you allow no restrictions on abortion and ban all assault rifles, handguns, and bullets of any kind. Why won't the republicans even negotiate a little?

    What the republicans are doing in our current situation is no different.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 9:22 a.m.

    What boehner and the house republicans are doing is extortion plain and simple. Why does Obama need to negotiate on the ACA? It is the law of the land.

  • SG in SLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 8:58 a.m.

    John Boehner just needs to allow a vote on the House floor on the clean CR sent back to them by the Senate. That's all it would take, and we would be back in business . . . but, he won't do it, because it would pass with a Democrat majority vote. It WOULD pass, but it wouldn't have a Republican majority, and he can't have that, now, can he??! [/sarcasm]

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    Oct. 7, 2013 8:51 a.m.

    The thing is, if Boehner really believed that there wasn't enough support in the House to pass a clean CR vote, he'd be raring and ready to schedule one. Just think of the leverage he'd have if it failed to pass.

    Unless he's just lying, of course...

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Oct. 7, 2013 8:45 a.m.


    "They said the American people are suffering under ObamaCare even though that SCOTUS-upheld law hasn't even gone into effect even yet."

    You're clearly not as educated on Obamacare as you need to be (and profess to be). Most of the controversial parts of Obamacare - including the Medical Device Excise Tax, or MDET - went into effect on January 1, 2013. The MDET has already cost 288,000 American jobs and the number is steadily increasing. Why is nobody mourning those people like they mourn the furloughed federal employees who will be back on the job once Congress gets its act together?

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 8:40 a.m.

    @ annes- You need to get your facts straight.

    The House Republicans have passed multiple bills before, and since, the shutdown to fully fund the entire government (except Obamacare) or individual departments and agencies, so they are the ones working to keep government open.

    Democrats Obama and Reid have rejected EVERY ONE of the Republican passed bills, and they are the ones who shut down the government. And they refuse to even negotiate at all.

    Worse, Obama's cronies have implemented the shutdown with vicious vindictiveness and costly closures of open areas that normally have no Park Service employees present, by building "barrycades" around them and stationing guards. Time for "Occupy America" to show up and exercise some of the free speech stuff the left always praises.

    The emerging catastrophe of the debt ceiling is even worse. Congress is so addicted to spending that they cannot bear to cut a single program, but only borrow more money whch will never be paid back.

    Obama was right to vote "NO" on the debt ceiling increase in 2007, and I urge every member of Congress to do so now.

    And, no back pay for furloughed workers for days they did not work.

  • annes albuquerque, NM
    Oct. 7, 2013 8:23 a.m.

    It's obvious by now that the House Republicans didn't have a reason for shutting down the government. They said they did it for "the American people". They said the American people are suffering under ObamaCare even though that SCOTUS-upheld law hasn't even gone into effect even yet. Then, as the health exchanges went online and demonstrated the great interest so many Americans have in obtaining affordable insurance and obviously, affordable basic health care, the House Republicans switched out their reason for shutting down the government.

    Now they say it's because President Obama "won't negotiate". It's becoming obvious that they shut down the government because they could. That's abuse of power. Only the most extreme right-wingers approve.

    The House Republicans want something, they won't say what it is (Obamacare is off the table, they haven't mentioned it in days), they seem to not even know what they want, but they will keep the government closed till they get it? That's extortion. I believe that neither President Obama nor Senate Leader Reid should negotiate on their terms. You wouldn't.

  • azresident Mesa, AZ
    Oct. 7, 2013 8:08 a.m.

    President Obama is the leader of the United States of America. His actions need to unite, not divide. He needs to use his position to put fires out, not start them, not stand by and watch them burn.

    If a forest was burning would he stand by and argue about where the fire started, why it started, whose responsibility the fire was, what the cost of the fire would be? I think not. The President would take action to ensure the fire was extinguished, people and resources were saved, and rebuilding could begin.

    President Obama, the rebuilding must begin. On your watch. If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Oct. 7, 2013 7:59 a.m.

    This must be difficult for the Democrats to accept. The partial government shut down has not harmed the country but very little and Americans are learning that we can actually live, prosper and enjoy life without the federal government.

  • Informed Voter South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 7:19 a.m.

    For once Boehner is right.....Obama must negotiate. Obama cannot get away with doing nothing and trying to blame republicans.