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  • airnaut Everett, 00
    Oct. 7, 2013 8:09 p.m.

    Does Jason Chaffetz even live in the District he represents?

    [I don't think he does.]

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 2:08 p.m.

    OMGoodness, OMGoodness, OMGoodness!!

    I agree with Mike Richards. It's a Miracle; a full blown, bonafide Miracle!

    God MUST exist (well, maybe not, but...)...

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 12:48 p.m.

    I think your "Evidence" of gerrymandering is based on false information and faulty deductive reasoning.

    #1. Democrats gained seats in both Senate and House. Just not enough to give them a majority in the House. How is that evidence of gerrymandering?

    #2. More people voting for Democrats nationally or statewide doesn't automatically mean you will get the same exact trend locally (or in House elections).

    People often vote for Democrats nationally and Republicans locally (or visa versa). I tend to prefer Republicans nationally but Democrats locally, because I want Federal spending and control reduced but local spending (where we can control the amount and where it goes better) to be more liberal. But that's just my philosophy.

    But pretending Senate distribution should match the house distribution is bogus. Almost no states split their Senate seats (it would be idiotic to do that, your representatives would vote against each other on every issue so in effect your state would have ZERO influence on any national issue). But local preferences may differ from the state-wide majority. So you see a LOT of states that have split House Representation (Utah is no different).

  • MaxPower Eagle Mountain, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 11:42 a.m.

    I wasn't making a case for gerrymandering at all. I was saying it was common among legislators to do exactly what Mr. Chaffetz is doing. The internet has made talking to them easier, so more people do it (a good thing) it also makes it easier to write OTHER people's representatives.

    My district is represented by Mr. Matheson, if I want something changed, I should really write him or one of my two Senators. I should not be writing to Mr. Chaffetz, he has enough people in his district writing him to have to answer my letter as well.

    However if you want to see evidence of gerrymandering (not necessarily in Utah) the fact that more people voted for democrats in the 2012 election, yet more Republicans won in the house...and yet the Democrats gained seats (much more difficult to gerrymander a whole State).

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 10:09 a.m.

    Wahh Wahh.. I don't even know who my elected representative is... and my zip code isn't enough to tell me. Come on, grow up... don't you even remember who was in the general election? and who WON? This is something every Boy Scout knows. You would think the adults in our neighborhoods would know who their elected representatives currently are.

    If you think it's hard keeping track of who your representative is in Utah (we have 4), try living in California where they have 53! Think they have any gerrymandering in CA? Think it always divides nicely along zip code lines?

    Zip codes are designed for mail delivery... not voting districts.

    I don't know if this is evidence of rampant gerrymandering in Utah either. Not everything divides best along zip code lines. Utah only has 4 representatives in the House of Representatives. It seems like you could remember which one is yours.

    Orrin Hatch is a bad example. He's a Senator. So everybody in the State gets to vote for/against him, because Senators are elected by the whole State, not a specific part of the State. So no gerrymandering possible.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 9:28 a.m.

    I tried to send John Boehner a piece of my mind. I got the same zip-code rejection. But then I saw a little notice down in the corner for those outside his district who wanted to contact him. It sent me to a page where I could leave him a message. It apparently went through, but I haven't received a reply yet. He probably didn't appreciate what I had to say. Neither would Jason.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 7, 2013 9:15 a.m.

    The good Congressman should read the Constitition. The Constitution does not subdivide the States into districts. We are allowed four members of the House from Utah to represent ALL the people of Utah. Any Congressman who thinks that he only represents a portion of the people of his State should be replaced with someone who knows how to read the Constitution.

    Oct. 7, 2013 8:18 a.m.

    I CAN vote for Representative Chaffetz. I did not and I assure you he feels absolutely no responsibility to listen to anything I say. He pretends I don't exist. I, unfortunately, have a hard time doing the same about him.

  • MaxPower Eagle Mountain, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 7:50 a.m.

    I don't think this is a case of gerrymandering per se. Rather, because of the convenience of the internet, it is now easier to contact one's representative. Because of that, more people are doing so, and writing other people's representatives. Mr. Chaffetz has a responsibility first and foremost to those who can vote for him.

    If you were to go to Orrin Hatch's website you wold see a similar messsage saying he can only respond to letters written by Utah residents.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 7:46 a.m.

    The joys of the gerrymandered. Utah should have a new motto: Give me Gerrymander or give me death!

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Oct. 7, 2013 6:11 a.m.

    If that weren't enough,
    The GOP would simply skip houses that weren't already the "R",
    or use "Ward" lists if they could get away with it.