If health-care reform falters, insurers may pay a high price

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  • RBB Sandy, UT
    Oct. 4, 2013 7:28 a.m.

    We have become a welfare state. Everyone from the individual who wants an Obama phone to the "green energy" CEO who wants an wants a few hundred million is lining up to vote for those who will give them someone elses money. (Shh! The real secret is that it isn't any one else's money - we are just printing $85, 000, 000, 000 a month so we can keep handing it out).

    This is what keeps lobbiests employed. How can my company get some more from the government money tree?

    BTW Hutterrite, if a third-party payer system is great, why can you now buy health insurance in France? Each year the government cuts back what they will pay because the cost of a third-party payer system inevitably spin out of control. European economies are on the brink of collapse even though they spend far less than we do on defense. Why would any rational person follow them down the rabbit hole?

  • Hamath Omaha, NE
    Oct. 4, 2013 4:42 a.m.

    Just like the Nevadan's thank all of those math-challenged Utahans and Californians for coming over to pay for their state needs when they gamble their money away (and Nevada gets their cut in the gambling taxes), the Mecca's of insurance land (like my fair city of Omaha) love the ACA. Billions will be siphoned to the insurance industries and never see the light of day in terms of true patient care. Sometimes I feel like I live in a modern city equivalent to pirating havens of Trinidad and Tobago. Insurance companies are so good at disguising what and how they make money and often so bad at paying out when needed and now the gov't has decided to force us all to be tied to them??? What's the difference between a thief and a insurance company? Often very little.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 3, 2013 12:46 p.m.


    * Republicans
    * Tea party
    * George Bush
    * Speaker of the House

    Who is the leader, and the one in charge?

  • Anti Government Alpine, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 10:45 a.m.

    What? Big insurance companies and lobbyists buying their way into obamacare profits? I thought that was what obama was going to fix when elected? I thought he wasn't going to let big companies double our premiums and cut our coverage in half?

    I thought Bush was too chummy with big business and that is why everyone wanted this "change"?

    When are liberals going to realize they are being used for his political power only?.

    Premiums are going through the roof not to mention it is essentially only getting you catastrophic coverage which means you have thousands out of pocket before you actually get an ounce of coverage at all.

    My company went the obamacare model route. We went from an 80-20 plan to where I now have $4000 out of pocket coverage before ANY thing is actually covered by insurance. Oh yes, lets not forget they no longer cover ANY brand name drugs. None. Oh yes, and the copays and deductibles after the out of pocket also went up.

    This is a Fortune 500 company with 80 000 employees too.

    Nothing but lies. All of it.

    Wake up people. This is a scam of epic proportions.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 10:44 a.m.

    We need a single payer system. There should be no such thing as a health 'insurer' with their inherent need for profit that runs contrary to the needs of patients. Also, just as an aside, how come when you first open the page the words 'health care reform' appear in the headline, but they suddenly change to 'obamacare reform'? Is the reference to the President a bit more incendiary?

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 10:36 a.m.

    I'M SHOCKED! Anyone with half a brain could see this! Anyone that thinks that the AFA is about better health care and helping the poor is pathetic. Your heart was in the right place, but today you have to use your head as well. Don't be a pawn to the political parties that are near to destroying America. Get your head into the game! For, to them, it is a game too! The charade that they are their to 'serve' the people is the biggest oxymoron the world has ever known.

  • Yorkshire City, Ut
    Oct. 3, 2013 10:19 a.m.

    article-"Big insurers were omnipresent during the health-care negotiations....Ignagni and AHIP members participated in hundreds of meetings and spent millions of dollars to shape the final bill...They received a lot for their time and money....Nothing was more important to insurers than securing the individual mandate because it will force people to buy their product, many with hefty federal subsidies.....It pays to be one of the few sellers of a product the government is going to force everyone to buy and provides subsidies to help them do it....Between January 2007 and August 2012, the political action committees of AHIP and the 11 largest health insurance companies GAVE $10.2 million to federal politicians..."

    Well, that about sums it up doesn't it??

    Yup. Just what we thought.

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 10:16 a.m.

    I have not idea what Obamacare is or does, but I'm sure it has already failed.


  • ute alumni paradise, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 9:57 a.m.

    if? when....wait it already has